is the bible always the authority (heresy alert, dont click!)

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hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........

but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.

so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........

and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread...... :D
 

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We are in the season of the New Testament.... all things come to pass for the Harvest.. the plougher ceases to plough and gathers His crop at a set time.

Of course the enemy beguiles by planting confusion.

Yes, the Bible is our source.
 
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im not saying throw out the bible or dont obey it......... im just saying there are examples in the bible of people being commended for doing soemthing questionable.......
 
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hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........

but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.

so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........

and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread...... :D
The Bible is not the authority. The Lord is the authority. The Bible is a faithful testimony of what happened and who said what.
 

loveme1

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im not saying throw out the bible or dont obey it......... im just saying there are examples in the bible of people being commended for doing soemthing questionable.......

Let not the clay question The Potter.

The Almighty is Just always.
 

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The Bible is not the authority. The Lord is the authority. The Bible is a faithful testimony of what happened and who said what.
The Bible is the only reliable authority of what the Lord has said. Anyone who claims to have 'heard the Lord' must be judged by it.
 
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hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........

but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.

so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........

and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread...... :D

right

because we are told in the new testament to divorce and marry at leisure and men can have 33 wives and adultery is no big deal and blah blah blah

seriously dude?

the example of Hosea marrying a harlot and having to go and get her out of the beds of other men was an illustration to the perverse nation of Israel of God and the nation

it is very fitting for much of what passes of Christianity today

notice in the new testament we are told that liars, adulterers, homosexuals, those that practice the black arts (that would include Christians operating in the power of witchcraft which rampant) and a whole list of other things, will NOT be sitting down at the marriage feast of the lamb

capiche?
 
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The Bible is not the authority. The Lord is the authority. The Bible is a faithful testimony of what happened and who said what.

that's skewed

God says he has put His word above His name

in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was God and the WORD was with God

I could honestly just bang my head against the wall but God does not want me to injure myself

I won't answer whatever defence of your statement you dream up because there is not defense and people are comatose by now, never mind just sleeping

however God's word does not return to Him void
 
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The Bible is not the authority. The Lord is the authority. The Bible is a faithful testimony of what happened and who said what.
yea this is what i mean....... bible cant override God himself.......... He has had exceptions in the past too..........
 
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yea this is what i mean....... bible cant override God himself.......... He has had exceptions in the past too..........
2 Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Malachi 3:6 - For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 

valiant

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hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........

but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
But did he marry her, or was it an illustration.? And if the former did he know she was harlot at the time when he married her?

another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies).
what was she to do? say, 'oh I've got them hidden upstairs'. There are a few times when a lie is right. The exception proves the rule,


........... and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came.........
The Scripture tells us he deceived his father. It doesn't commend it. No consequences came? It cost him 21 years of his life.

so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........
then the church would be wrong in the circumstances
 
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2 Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Malachi 3:6 - For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
good stuff mon....... but notice how God has changed the way He does things in the new covenant........ God dont change but the way He does things does in the new and old covenant
 
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good stuff mon....... but notice how God has changed the way He does things in the new covenant........ God dont change but the way He does things does in the new and old covenant


Isaiah 40:8

“The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
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1 Peter 1:25

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 
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The Bible is not the authority. The Lord is the authority. The Bible is a faithful testimony of what happened and who said what.
yea this is what i mean....... bible cant override God himself.......... He has had exceptions in the past too..........
You both show wisdom far beyond that of sheep who just take God's word left for us as little more than an instruction manual for religious robots.
 
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You both show wisdom far beyond that of sheep who just take God's word left for us as little more than an instruction manual for religious robots.
i 2nd this....

also

i do believe God reveals truths in many ways

inspired scripture is only 1
 
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The Bible is the only reliable authority of what the Lord has said. Anyone who claims to have 'heard the Lord' must be judged by it.
The Bible is a reliable source of information that quotes Jesus and God, and I know of no other such source of information. Remember the purpose of the Bible is to bring us into a personal relationship with the Lord.
 
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that's skewed

God says he has put His word above His name

in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was God and the WORD was with God

I could honestly just bang my head against the wall but God does not want me to injure myself

I won't answer whatever defence of your statement you dream up because there is not defense and people are comatose by now, never mind just sleeping

however God's word does not return to Him void
The purpose of the Bible is to bring us into a personal relationship with the Lord. Some people read their Bibles and adhere to much of it, without ever developing a personal relationship with the Lord.
 
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The purpose of the Bible is to bring us into a personal relationship with the Lord. Some people read their Bibles and adhere to much of it, without ever developing a personal relationship with the Lord.
I find that more confusing than your last post

the Bible, is not confusing and God said he places His word above His name

now find that in scripture and please tell me, did God say that or not?

now if He did, you need to change what you are saying about him
 
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I find that more confusing than your last post

the Bible, is not confusing and God said he places His word above His name

now find that in scripture and please tell me, did God say that or not?

now if He did, you need to change what you are saying about him
I think Muzungu256 put it best in his post: "The Bible can't override God himself." Many people equate God with the Bible, but they are two different things. God and Jesus are both quoted many times in the Bible, and you can believe that the quotes are accurate. But the Bible is not God.
 

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I think Muzungu256 put it best in his post: "The Bible can't override God himself." Many people equate God with the Bible, but they are two different things. God and Jesus are both quoted many times in the Bible, and you can believe that the quotes are accurate. But the Bible is not God.

So the Bible isn't the Word of God?

If you are going to say that Word was with God and the Word was God then how can you have faith if faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:39

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:47-51