Other books?? Enoch, Jasher etc??

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Hello, I was wondering what other books are historically around "scripture". Enoch 1, used to be part of Judaism scripture apparently, but was removed because it looked to link to Jesus Christ too much, apparently.

Jasher seems an attempt to create a shorter Bible as far as I can tell, so I might not read it fully.

Are there any other potential "scripture" books not in the "cannon"? Also any small really decent books appreciated/eg, Thoughts for young men-ryle, or grace essentials-biblical christianity- John Calvin etc.

Thanks.
 
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I am not sure if I understand what you are asking for, but you can take a look here:

Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers

Didaché, Hermas and Barnabas were frequently used as Scripture by the first Church, before the canon got established.

Also deuterocanonical books as used by the Orthodox and Catholics were used as Scripture many times, so you can begin there.
 
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they were fables written in the early centuries after the cross, and joined with the Catholic LXX which was scribed after the cross also...............be blessed
 
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Dai3234 said:
Hello, I was wondering what other books are historically around "scripture". Enoch 1, used to be part of Judaism scripture apparently, but was removed because it looked to link to Jesus Christ too much, apparently.

Jasher seems an attempt to create a shorter Bible as far as I can tell, so I might not read it fully.

Are there any other potential "scripture" books not in the "cannon"? Also any small really decent books appreciated/eg, Thoughts for young men-ryle, or grace essentials-biblical christianity- John Calvin etc.

Thanks.
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I wasn't aware of the reason why the books weren't included. I"ve only read parts of Enoch. This makes me want to see what they prophesy about Jesus.
 
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I wasn't aware of the reason why the books weren't included. I"ve only read parts of Enoch. This makes me want to see what they prophesy about Jesus.
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Not by name, but by the character of a man, does it seem to relate to Jesus.
 
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trofimus said:
I am not sure if I understand what you are asking for, but you can take a look here:

Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers

Didaché, Hermas and Barnabas were frequently used as Scripture by the first Church, before the canon got established.

Also deuterocanonical books as used by the Orthodox and Catholics were used as Scripture many times, so you can begin there.
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I meant the books that are I Judaism's history before the new testament, but based on the religion.
 
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Dai3234 said:
Hello, I was wondering what other books are historically around "scripture". Enoch 1, used to be part of Judaism scripture apparently, but was removed because it looked to link to Jesus Christ too much, apparently.

Jasher seems an attempt to create a shorter Bible as far as I can tell, so I might not read it fully.

Are there any other potential "scripture" books not in the "cannon"? Also any small really decent books appreciated/eg, Thoughts for young men-ryle, or grace essentials-biblical christianity- John Calvin etc.

Thanks.
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I have the Book of Daniel; the Book of Enoch; The Book of Jasher; the Book of Jubilees; and others. None of these books are to replace the Bible and none are written according to the formula that the bible is written with. So none of these books are acceptable as scripture but they do support the bible. As History books primarily.
 
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they were fables written in the early centuries after the cross, and joined with the Catholic LXX which was scribed after the cross also...............be blessed
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Its obvious you have never even seen one of these books...Why? Because you're dead wrong in your answer.
 
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Dai3234 said:
Hello, I was wondering what other books are historically around "scripture". Enoch 1, used to be part of Judaism scripture apparently, but was removed because it looked to link to Jesus Christ too much, apparently.

Jasher seems an attempt to create a shorter Bible as far as I can tell, so I might not read it fully.

Are there any other potential "scripture" books not in the "cannon"? Also any small really decent books appreciated/eg, Thoughts for young men-ryle, or grace essentials-biblical christianity- John Calvin etc.

Thanks.
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Historically speaking, when did man develop the ability to write the written spoken word?

Did you have to be taught how to draw a picture? Nobody has to be taught how to draw a picture, simply give a kid a crayon and a piece of paper and they can draw like crazy. So does that mean that drawn works using symbols and pictures are written languages, I don't think so.

However, like the ability to speak, a person can not acquire the ability to read and write the written word without being taught by someone who knows how to read and write. A person can not teach themselves how to read and write by themselves without any assistance of someone else.

[FONT=&quot]Since it is written that[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him[/FONT]."

[FONT=&quot]So if man did not develop the ability to write until after the time of Enoch, then how could have Enoch wrote a book? And if in that book tells you about the things that Enoch observed after God took him, then how did that book get back to earth and what happened to original manuscript from which the book of Enoch was translated from?
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Dai3234 said:
Hello, I was wondering what other books are historically around "scripture". Enoch 1, used to be part of Judaism scripture apparently, but was removed because it looked to link to Jesus Christ too much, apparently.

Jasher seems an attempt to create a shorter Bible as far as I can tell, so I might not read it fully.

Are there any other potential "scripture" books not in the "cannon"? Also any small really decent books appreciated/eg, Thoughts for young men-ryle, or grace essentials-biblical christianity- John Calvin etc.

Thanks.
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I would say that the Bible is plenty long enough already, and there is nothing that you could add to it that would be of significant value. The current Canon covers all the bases.
 
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Its obvious you have never even seen one of these books...Why? Because you're dead wrong in your answer.
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yep he is pretty far off base. the LXX was criticized for years as being a bad translation. then the DSS are found with the oldest Hebrew bible scrolls and guess which they agree with, the LXX. and still today so many cling on to the mesoretic as the best source not realizing it was a pharisee translation put togethr in opposition to the new Jewish Christian movement.
 
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yep he is pretty far off base. the LXX was criticized for years as being a bad translation. then the DSS are found with the oldest Hebrew bible scrolls and guess which they agree with, the LXX. and still today so many cling on to the mesoretic as the best source not realizing it was a pharisee translation put togethr in opposition to the new Jewish Christian movement.
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In not very knowledgeable, so which translations are not Pharisee based? I currently have an NIV, NKJV, amplified,old KJV, and am waiting for an NASB as im in the UK?
 
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In not very knowledgeable, so which translations are not Pharisee based? I currently have an NIV, NKJV, amplified,old KJV, and am waiting for an NASB as im in the UK?
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i use an ESV as it is supposed to rely the most on the DSS and LXX. when i first decided to make a serious effort to read the bible i used a NIV, tried first with KJV and could never make sense of the passages, the NIV was easy to read.
 
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Dai3234 said:
Not by name, but by the character of a man, does it seem to relate to Jesus.
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I think Churchill had character, (as well as he was a character. lol) I would listen to Churchill about a lot of things because he had character. That doesn't mean I would learn Churchill's stance on the Bible or on the Theory of Relativity though.

So, have to ask? Why would you want to read books from people we no longer know if they had character or if they understood God? Seems like reading the Bible according to Jefferson, Oprah, or Doctor Who.
 
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I think Churchill had character, (as well as he was a character. lol) I would listen to Churchill about a lot of things because he had character. That doesn't mean I would learn Churchill's stance on the Bible or on the Theory of Relativity though.

So, have to ask? Why would you want to read books from people we no longer know if they had character or if they understood God? Seems like reading the Bible according to Jefferson, Oprah, or Doctor Who.
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Forget it. You either get it or you don't.
 
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jaybird88 said:
yep he is pretty far off base. the LXX was criticized for years as being a bad translation. then the DSS are found with the oldest Hebrew bible scrolls and guess which they agree with, the LXX. and still today so many cling on to the mesoretic as the best source not realizing it was a pharisee translation put togethr in opposition to the new Jewish Christian movement.
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The oldest Dead Sea scrolls do not 'agree with the LXX'.

Some follow the Hebrew text behind the LXX, some follow the Hebrew behind Massoretic text, some follow neither of those texts but Hebrew texts unknown to us/
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You speak out of ignorance of the DSS.
 
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I have a LOT of extra-biblical texts on my shelves. I liked reading them because they are interesting, and it's neat to see how the authors thought about their relationship to God when they wrote them.

That is as much as I can, or will say on the matter. What I have said is my entire feelings and thoughts on the subject, and nothing more should be inferred or assumed.
 
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I think Churchill had character, (as well as he was a character. lol) I would listen to Churchill about a lot of things because he had character. That doesn't mean I would learn Churchill's stance on the Bible or on the Theory of Relativity though.

So, have to ask? Why would you want to read books from people we no longer know if they had character or if they understood God? Seems like reading the Bible according to Jefferson, Oprah, or Doctor Who.
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As a wordweaver, I can tell you that a persons character shows clearly in his or her writing. What they think, what they feel, who they are.....Its all there in their work, for anybody to see.
 
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Probably best to ignore Enoch 1, just watched "The Case Against The Book Of Enoch" on YouTube. Basically best to just watch this in my opinion. Quite interesting.
 
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Dai3234 said:
Probably best to ignore Enoch 1, just watched "The Case Against The Book Of Enoch" on YouTube. Basically best to just watch this in my opinion. Quite interesting.
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Yeah...YouTube is the worlds leading authority. Very knowledgeable teaching there. Pardon the sarcasm....Um.....You don't have to if you don't want to because I don't really mean it. LOL
 
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