A Request to the Teachers

Depleted · Aug 6, 2017

You're wrong there. You're very good at judging me.

Not good at keeping your word, but good at judging me.

BTW, I did find out what I wanted to know about your study on Hebrew. Somewhere along the way you admitted you took the study from somewhere else. Oddly enough, outside of wanting to know where, that would have been fine with me. I really do just want to know where people learn what they're teaching.

But now that I find out who you are being "blessed" by? I'd rather not.

Depleted · Aug 6, 2017

laura_charlotte said:

One of the most well thought through, well versed posts I've read in addressing several issues. When you’re dealing with an incredibly confused individual, as you've done, it's good to encourage them if they're going to address people's points, to try and have a thorough comprehension of what is actually being said and what is meant before they take a limited, twisted stance. Additionally their use of God's word, using scripture, as a tool to stab another person doesn't align with the fruits of the spirit nor give any reverence to Him at all.

As you've noted, in many examples , there's no understanding of the crux of what is being said at all. Responses are filled with a total absence of comprehension and using the lord’s word as an attack. The spirit is contentious and comprehension totally fails. My observations are consistent with yours throughout the forums. It's in their best interests if they want to give themselves any form of credibility in discussions, and peace within themselves to look at their own unresolved issues and consider taking a basic English skills program. It would be of great assistance not only in comprehension of writing but in the ability to communicate with others effectively.

Something I've been wondering. How much do you give CC each month?

oldethennew · Aug 6, 2017

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Lynn,
please re-consider and 'forgive' all wofers, for they are merely mis-led: there are so many
WORSE things going on in this fallen world and so much more satanic ugliness, it really
is mind blowing, the stories that hub and I could tell'...

we Love your heart, but don't be offended by those who have been taught by the masters
of deception in their small-world, there are so many, many 'worse' things going on behind closed doors...

Nehemiah6 · Aug 6, 2017

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You are so impressed with yourself you don't need anything else.

oldethennew · Aug 6, 2017

Neh,

I can assure that Lynn is definitely trying to 'impress' you or anyone.,,
she just tells it like it is, in her opinion...

Depleted · Aug 6, 2017

oldethennew said:

I have forgiven the rapists who raped me. I will not forgive someone AS they are mentally raping someone else. God does not ask us to. He says fight!

Depleted · Aug 6, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

When you ever get around to knowing what you're talking about get back to me. I will forgive you.

slave · Aug 6, 2017

Meggido said:

Stop over complicating and intellectualizing things.....you just contradicted yourself big time....

1 Cor 2.1-16
And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. [SUP]3 [/SUP]I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; [SUP]7 [/SUP]but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; [SUP]8 [/SUP]the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; [SUP]9 [/SUP]but just as it is written,
“Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

How might I help you understand the points I mentioned? And where did I contradict myself? It might help to put the slander away though, so we can discuss it.

Nehemiah6 · Aug 7, 2017

oldethennew said:

Well Lynn needs to understand that people can hold opinions without presenting rants. And all she has been doing thus far is ranting, and expecting those rants to impress others.

BeyondET · Aug 7, 2017

MattforJesus said:

1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Job 32:7 I said, Days should speak, and multitude of years should teach wisdom.
Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Job 32:9 Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment.

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Just because a person has been a teacher for 50 years,and took a battery of tests harder to pass than a bar examination,does not mean they are more qualified,for people can qualify in the wrong interpretation of scriptures from a particular denomination,and we know there are many denominations.

Oh I think I will be Scientology because they passed a battery of tests too numerous to count,to become a teacher.

What the preacher can know and understand,the common pew sitter can understand,for God gives to all people liberally,and upbraids not.

Good post, I agree most of these bible schools are geared around denominations, one can get a Ph.D. Or Masters degree or Doctoral degree and teach in their churches, for a low cost of 20k and up, to learn how to learn more of the bible. it's a billion dollar business scam. yea who's going to agree with that especially after spending a ton of money on a bible study college etc.

I'd rather just sit in my living room for free, the actual learning of the bible isn't for sale, just another modern day Pharisee hoax, pretty much like a den of robbers selling dove sacrifices.

Depleted · Aug 7, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

I ask people to let me know where they get their information if they are teaching something, and that's a rant?

Because I made that one simple request, people, (including you), have been lying about me ever since, saying I demand teachers hold degrees before teaching, and saying I think of myself as a teacher or wise.

Because of that one simple request, people who do not want to learn from anyone who knows something for fear they're impressions of a god they like might be forced away or because they cannot delude other people if they actually tell of where they learned this stuff had been bombasting this thread into something entirely different. And why? Because they think they are teachers and everyone must learn from them.

I came to BDF because I have questions about God and the Bible even after I seek many sources to find the answers to the questions I have. I also come to see if I can answer any questions others have. I come to encourage. I come to edify. I come to find other believers. but what do I see more and more? "Teachers." People so full of themselves they think "the Lord has sent me to fill your empty minds."

Judging from what you've said, I gather you're just another "teacher" of junk. Otherwise, you'd actually listen to people instead of figuring out what to learn them even before seeing what they've asked.

Congratulations. You get what you want from this forum. Wait until you figure out no one listens BEFORE they judge, including to you. Why not? You get what you give!

Angela53510 · Aug 7, 2017

joaniemarie said:

As as I recall, I wrote you and begged you to at least think for yourself, and put JPs devotional in your own words, just before hypergrace got banned, and asking if we could still be friends. You never replied, and have never interacted with me, except to call me out and bash me, with a lie you are propagating here!

I've never been mad at you, nothing to forgive. More that I pity you, having jumped from the extreme of strangling legalism on one hand, to heretical Word Faith/hypergrace now. There is a middle ground, and it is orthodoxy, but you are not interested in reading my biblical critiques, or you would see that neither extreme is from God. And when I say "critique," I don't mean any fancy fast stepping with Greek or HEBREW (not Latin - I am not Catholic, I would never learn Latin just to read corrupted Bible versions like the Vulgate!).

What I mean is simply reading Isa. 53:5d in context with the rest of Isaiah, which is about deliverance from sin, from Isa. 1-66! I just wish I could teach a class on Bible interpretation here, it would dispel 3/4s of the doctrinal errors that pop up over and over. And true, there are some issues it helps to look at the original languages, like women as pastors, and the translation of authentein in 1 Tim 2:12, but to stand against Word Faith really only requires reading Isaiah in English. But all of it, not 1/4 of a line, pulled out of context.

As for unforgiveness of my two Word Faith friends, which you may or may not be implying, perhaps you should realize I have not only forgiven them, the living one, (who didn't die because of this destructive Word Faith heresy, but went to the hospital and had surgery which saved him!) is a very good friend or ours. I talked to him only yesterday, bit my tongue as he prayed for me, quoting Isa. 53:5d out of context, and thanked God for a good and faithful friend, who stays with us, for months, helped us build our last house, and we stay with him and visit him. He's 87 now, maybe too hard to teach him, but the one thing I know is how much he loves Jesus, and what a great friend he has been for 35 years.

I forgave my friend who died when she claimed healing and died of breast cancer when she didn't get treatment because of Word Faith. But I may never forgive myself, for not knowing how wrong what she was saying was, and at least begging her to get cancer treatment before it was too late. We had some good talks as she was dying, before the cancer penetrated her brain and drove her insane, but I never stood strongly against her erroneous and unbiblical Copeland indoctrinated beliefs, and I will NEVER again fail to stand against this terrible, heretical lie that killed my friend and former mentor.

As far as writing about my education, I thought that was what the thread was about??? If I set myself up as a teacher, which I have very sincerely sought God regarding whether that is my calling, talking heed that I will be judged by a higher standard, then it is right people should know my education. Or did you want me to give my complete testimony of my "experiences" with the Holy Spirit moving in my heart and life since the day I was saved 37 years ago, which was NOT the topic of this thread?

There is no dichotomy between having the Holy Spirit moving in your life and having a good Biblical education, from a seminary, as so many people are suggesting on this thread! NO! God is the one who saved and called me to be his own and to follow him! God is the one who called me to seminary, to equip me to help others and to teach. The Holy Spirit had me walking with dementia patients in long term care for 2 years, which was a humbling experience! I learned so much from those people. But God was the one who gave me the tools to minister there, including my 2 mentors and many books, articles, and my seminary training.

Don't worry, Joanie-Marie, I am not holding you or anyone else in unforgiveness, which would be a terrible sin against God.

Now about that judging attitude and unforgiveness you seem to be holding onto...

preacher4truth · Aug 7, 2017

Angela53510 said:

Some are infants tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine -- Ephesians 4:14. I sincerely appreciate your concern for joaniemarie Angela, and the concern is not unwarranted.

Being honest I see the same things with joaniemarie. Any correction offered and she insults the one offering the correction. There isn't anything even hypergrace in that behavior (ironic, is it not, that one preaching that heresy shows none herself?) let alone anything of true grace in it, and that's a sad fact.

This grudge holding goes along with the same territory as above, is unchristian, and shows a true lack of understanding of the personal amount of sins that have been forgiven. One who forgives others has been truly forgiven. Seems the Word has some things to say about holding grudges.

And there is the necessity of understanding the wickedness of sin, which, I personally believe no true saint would ever mitigate its existence within themselves.

One has said:

"So great and mighty an evil is sin, that it merits eternal destruction of man. Whence it follows that sin is a greater evil than the eternal destruction of man, since not even by eternal punishments can they expiate or overcome so great an evil."

Just some things to ponder

Angela53510 · Aug 7, 2017

Rats! Another

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to preacher4truth again."

joaniemarie · Aug 8, 2017

Angela53510 said:

Hi Angela, As usual and sad as it is., you don't recall what you said or what I said. You need to go back to our correspondence via our emails and re read what you said and what I said. Not what you "felt" and what you think I "felt" I'd be glad if you even posted that correspondence so you and others could see for themselves what was said and not your poor recall of what was said.

I simply chose not to take your advice although I appreciated your advice I said I could not take it. I did email you back Angela for sure. I would never not answer you or anyone who want to be friends and offered advice. Even if I didn't take your advice I still appreciate your time and words and even told you that. Yes., your recall is poor.

These topics would be fine if you and Depleted didn't only tell part of what was said. And then comment on your interpretations of what you say was said on any given topic. It becomes like United States politics the way some don't discuss fairly. Instead the accusations fly based on anger and hurt feelings and yes., unforgiveness. Depleted likens my disagreeing with her as being raped. And calls me a predator she must protect unknowing people here on CC from.

All I did on this thread of Depleted's was was challenge you to look at how you do not forgive those who disagree with you and who you call Word of Faith here. The names and accusations used by you and depleted I've been wise to forget them. In your opening post here you again insulted people based on them admitting to not knowing as much about Greek and Latin or having been to Bible college. And yet., when you are challenged for your words., you can't take it and lash out. (I'll re post your post so there will be clarity here and not imaginary recall)

You get all mad and upset and even appalled that "I" in only a few short sentences dared to address you and ask if you have forgiven those of us who you believe have wronged you. I didn't condemn or belittle you. I did put a challenge to you.

Just because people don't agree with you or Depleted does not mean we are heretics. And not all word of faith Christians believe the same thing. The more accused I get from you ladies., the more I consider if in fact I am an "official" Word of faith Christian because I believe in healing in the atonement and I believe in speaking in tongues and speaking faithful words as apposed to unfaithful ones. If this is what makes a Word of Faith Christian than I am one of them.

I can challenge you Angela without condemning you. I only asked you a question in this thread and it seems like your pride can't handle even being asked. Instead., you post this as an answer. So., you say you have no un forgiveness? OK then.

joaniemarie · Aug 8, 2017

Here is post #40 Depleted first answer to one of my posts:

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Re: A Request to the Teachers[/h]

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I agree brother. Who is the scribe? Where is the wise? 1 Cor.1:11
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this [SUP][a][/SUP]world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

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Not to say I don't think education is good. But people in the world and even the church (imo) esteem it much to highly when it comes to the things of God and the Bible. We have the Holy Spirit and we also need to listen to good Holy Spirit lead teachers and preachers and pastors and friends. Not all will be "educated" especially in this forum on CC. I've found the ones who brag about their "education" are usually meaner than a snake getting poked at if you dare disagree with them about doctrine.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]So while I do believe there is a place for educated leaders., they are of no real help unless they be lead by the Holy Spirit.
And many so called "un educated" Christians are more helpful and solid in a lot of cases than those who have a PHD in Bible Theology. P.S. especially here on CC

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Of course! Works well for people who don't study before preaching, so agreement is a given.

Had either of you bothered to read for comprehension, (instead of the usual "I will give you what I think before even thinking" retorts), you would have noticed it wasn't "education" in the traditional sense.

I find people who want to bamboozle people dislike that someone might actually be knowledgeable in the thing they're trying to bamboozle about. "An uneducated consumer is our best customer" thought to it.

I find it disturbing how many people like to teach without liking anyone to understand the subject matter, including themselves. Paul does not want people to be ignorant, and yet ignorance is quite often the keystone to teaching on here.

joaniemarie · Aug 8, 2017

And here is #144

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Re: A Request to the Teachers[/h]

Originally Posted by Angela53510

"Proud to be ignorant,"

summarizes the majority of people on this thread! Or perhaps it is,

"the Holy Spirit showed me, so I know it's true!"

Of course, if it really was the Holy Spirit, and not just a wave of emotionalism!

I studied the Bible for 25 years, reading it in English in different versions and French. I studied the Bible, I memorized the Bible, and I prayed. And God did teach me a lot. I took notes of sermons for years, but realized the pastors, especially of the non-denoms didn't know any more than I did.

God called me to seminary, and I didn't go. Because women can't be pastors, and I was a school teacher, didn't want to be a pastor anyway! Then the Word Faith people judged and condemned me when I got sick and wasn't healed. The woman had a Kenneth Copeland PhD she bought on line. So I guess the PhD does depend on the school. Did the person just pay money or did they really study the Bible?

Well, I thought these people knew the Bible and were led by the Holy Spirit. And if they were (or so I thought at the time, I now know how terribly and horribly dangerous and wrong their Word Faith heresy is) and if they were right, then God had abandoned me! End of story!

Except God gave me a second chance, led me to a church with an anointed SBC pastor, who knew the Word of God in a deep way. When he told the young men about going to seminary, God called me again. This time I obeyed!

I can't imagine what my life would be like if I had not obeyed the call. I learned and learned and learned. We studied the Scripture, but more important we learned how to correctly exegete the Bible, and do hermeneutics or Bible interpretation. Which is why most people here have no clue how to teach. Because they pull 1/4 of a verse out of context, and the result is a destructive heresy like Word Faith.

Willie, I have no idea where you went to Bible school, in theology, we learned ALL the viewpoints of different doctrines, and then we were told to pray, study, and find the truth. We also learned skills. like teaching, preaching and counselling. How to lead the congregation, and care for them, and lead people in discipleship. Oh, and read the actual text, in the original languages, instead of just translations.

The pastor in the church that inspired me to go to seminary got totally off track and stopped preaching the Bible after a bad throw off of a horse. People pleaded with him to go back to the Bible, but he also became arrogant and would not listen to anyone. I didn't try to correct him, as he would not have listened. So we found another church where the pastor did have a PhD. His preaching was superb! All the educated people in the congregation, doctors and lawyers, and former missionaries with all kinds of degrees got so much out of his sermons. But he wasn't highbrow! My best friend was from Peru, and learned English about 10 years earlier, but never got a good grasp of the language. She would always tell me what she learned, because he somehow had a way of making the message simple enough for immigrants to understand.

And he knew his congregation. It was a Baptist church, but a lot of people were raised in the church, no relationship with God or understanding of the Bible. He conducted the membership/baptism classes, because he wanted to make sure people really knew Christ, and they were following him.

And he spent a year preaching on prayer, right out of the Bible. He spent a year getting people to read the Bible daily. My husband had fallen away from Bible reading, and he got back into it, and is still reading it 3 years later. We did a chronological read through the Bible, which was a new one for me! I'm going to do it again when I finish this time.

So, how many people have really sat for more than a year under someone with a PhD? I have a feeling very few in this forum. Because the pastor I sat under helped me learn how to communicate God's Word, and really lead people to dig into the Bible on their own. And I learned how to be a better, clearer and simpler preacher from him.

An education doesn't guarantee someone will be led by the Holy Spirit. But as Lynn posted it does mean that person will be able to research, compare, critique, the text, and they will know how to put sentences and paragraphs together which quite a few people in this forum don't know how to do. Seminary will hopefully be a foundation of seeking God in prayer, and learning to rely on God for direction. Seminary was the best thing that happened to me, I'm so grateful God gave me a second chance to study his Word formally, to learn the Biblical backgrounds, languages and how to exegete the Word carefully and correctly. I wish everyone could go to a real, conservative seminary and learn what I learned. God has always given me a hunger to know and understand him in both learning and in wisdom. A good seminary should draw you closer to God, and into caring for God's people!

"[FONT=&quot]Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,[FONT=&quot] a worker [/FONT][FONT=&quot]who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15[/FONT]

For the record, I have an MDiv, and I am an ordained pastor. I plan on applying for my PhD next year, after I finish a few prerequisites.

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And yet... with all that you wrote here about your education and exposure and training in Bible study., enough so you are now teaching the Bible yourself because you have an MDiv., and you're an ordained pastor planning on applying for a PhD., you still have not yet learned about simple forgiveness for the Word of faith Christians who wronged you so many years ago...[/FONT]

Til · Aug 9, 2017

It seems like Christians (and yes I am one so pointing a finger at me) are so sensitive. Jesus didn't take even being accused of using satan's power personally, neither should we. If we have been brought up that nothing we do is ever good enough or recognized as good, only the errors have been brought out, we have been raised in half a truth. For all have sinned is balanced with you are a chosen nation. Let us do the work of examining ourselves and realize that all spirits of accusation, whether felt OR sent, if the sin is confessed, are from the spirit of satan. Discussions are healthy, arguments are not. He that is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. Not scripture but still true. This is the same spirit that Jesus told those accusing Him that because they thought they saw, their sin remained. We cannot learn new truth about God or the Bible if we come in a spirit of self defense and already know everything. (Not a teacher, but mentored by one for 17 years, an anointed exegetical scholar.)

BeyondET · Aug 9, 2017

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How does one get mentally raped?

that ol nursery rhyme, sticks and stones may break my bones but someone else's theory can never hurt me.

laura_charlotte · Aug 9, 2017

Til said:

It seems like Christians (and yes I am one so pointing a finger at me) are so sensitive. Jesus didn't take even being accused of using satan's power personally, neither should we. If we have been brought up that nothing we do is ever good enough or recognized as good, only the errors have been brought out, we have been raised in half a truth. For all have sinned is balanced with you are a chosen nation. Let us do the work of examining ourselves and realize that all spirits of accusation, whether felt OR sent, if the sin is confessed, are from the spirit of satan. Discussions are healthy, arguments are not. He that is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. Not scripture but still true. This is the same spirit that Jesus told those accusing Him that because they thought they saw, their sin remained. We cannot learn new truth about God or the Bible if we come in a spirit of self defense and already know everything. (Not a teacher, but mentored by one for 17 years, an anointed exegetical scholar.)

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