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Well, I for one, have a lot of people on ignore in the BDF! It really helps me from being angry at such wrong doctrine! NOT!
I don't judge hearts, just the message. But when I do long exegetical posts, almost no one reads them. I think the format is just not good for the internet! You know, having to post long passages of the Bible to show how out of context and twisted so many of the doctrines/philosophies are!
This OP is disgrace, and so are the multitude of Grace777's links to his escapetoreality site. I could show verse by verse why they are unsound, But would anyone read them? Would anyone comment? Just a few people that agree with me. So not worth my time to refute the doctrine line by line in the OP's daily heresy by JP, or Grace777's additional absolute and utter wild speculations and imaginative fantasies by Paul Ellis.
Under the guise of "breaking legalistic tradition," both JP and Paul Ellis just go so far away from the Biblical text it is hilarious! But, it is also deadly serious, because it leads people astray who do not know the Bible, except how it comes chewed up and twisted from the mouths of these false teachers. And all in the name of some kind of spurious extra-Biblical revelation!
The fact is, the book of Job has always been a major thorn in the side of Word Faith adherents and devotees. It says exactly the opposite of the Word Faith heresy. I find it interesting this book is now under attack by heretical internet preachers, trying to explain away the plain and simple truths outlined in the book, such as God allowing Job to be tormented repeatedly by Satan, and how false people are in interpreting God's will for 35 chapters, with the friends basically bringing up all the Word Faith reasons why people don't get healed, and those reasons all being dismissed by the Sovereign God.
But hey, if you are your own god, who cares what God really says in his Word? Any old lie, attracting members to the cult will do. Explain away Job, and theoretically you have a win. Except, read Job, and Joseph Prince's devotional, and that extensive Paul Ellis, "escapetoreality," garbage just disappears like dust in the wind.
So the battle against hypergrace, NAR and Word Faith heresy continues. And this has nothing to do with the hearts of the people who post this tripe! Well, except my on-going pity for their terrible delusion, and my prayers that God will reveal to them the error of this horrible heresy and lie!
I don't judge hearts, just the message. But when I do long exegetical posts, almost no one reads them. I think the format is just not good for the internet! You know, having to post long passages of the Bible to show how out of context and twisted so many of the doctrines/philosophies are!
This OP is disgrace, and so are the multitude of Grace777's links to his escapetoreality site. I could show verse by verse why they are unsound, But would anyone read them? Would anyone comment? Just a few people that agree with me. So not worth my time to refute the doctrine line by line in the OP's daily heresy by JP, or Grace777's additional absolute and utter wild speculations and imaginative fantasies by Paul Ellis.
Under the guise of "breaking legalistic tradition," both JP and Paul Ellis just go so far away from the Biblical text it is hilarious! But, it is also deadly serious, because it leads people astray who do not know the Bible, except how it comes chewed up and twisted from the mouths of these false teachers. And all in the name of some kind of spurious extra-Biblical revelation!
The fact is, the book of Job has always been a major thorn in the side of Word Faith adherents and devotees. It says exactly the opposite of the Word Faith heresy. I find it interesting this book is now under attack by heretical internet preachers, trying to explain away the plain and simple truths outlined in the book, such as God allowing Job to be tormented repeatedly by Satan, and how false people are in interpreting God's will for 35 chapters, with the friends basically bringing up all the Word Faith reasons why people don't get healed, and those reasons all being dismissed by the Sovereign God.
But hey, if you are your own god, who cares what God really says in his Word? Any old lie, attracting members to the cult will do. Explain away Job, and theoretically you have a win. Except, read Job, and Joseph Prince's devotional, and that extensive Paul Ellis, "escapetoreality," garbage just disappears like dust in the wind.
So the battle against hypergrace, NAR and Word Faith heresy continues. And this has nothing to do with the hearts of the people who post this tripe! Well, except my on-going pity for their terrible delusion, and my prayers that God will reveal to them the error of this horrible heresy and lie!
It might have something to do with most televangelists being LIARS.
It might have something to do with their rotten fruit.
It also might have something to do with them being worldly minded & filthy rich.
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
New Living Translation
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!
English Standard Version
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.
Berean Study Bible
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
Berean Literal Bible
Heal the ailing, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons! Freely you received; freely give.
New American Standard Bible
"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
It might have something to do with their rotten fruit.
It also might have something to do with them being worldly minded & filthy rich.
Matthew 10:8
New International VersionHeal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
New Living Translation
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!
English Standard Version
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.
Berean Study Bible
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
Berean Literal Bible
Heal the ailing, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons! Freely you received; freely give.
New American Standard Bible
"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Good post! The deceptive links, posts, protecting wolves likes of g7 and his followers, well, some day will come to judgment for their false teachings and slander of those who expose the wolves.
Stand against their teachings, refute them with Scripture and you are called a slanderer with verses taken out of context to do so. I'm also aware these go to persons privately to oppose others on here and poison their minds against those who oppose the false teachings of Osteen, WoF preachers, prosperity gospel lies and hyper grace fallacies. "Watch out for so and so" done privately. Well, thank God for those who do it publicly, such as Angela, SovereignGrace, ForthAngel, graceNpeace and others.
These types will come to you, and spend a great deal of time trying to appear as a sheep. Jesus warned us of this in Matthew 7, so I am always leery of those who spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to prove their graciousness and niceness while going to high degrees to protect well known heretics who are deceiving millions and who fleece the sheep.
Expose them for this and you're on their bad list as they spend time trying to appear ministers of light to others -- just come against their false teachings and you'll uncover the ravenous wolf. It's all good up until the time you expose them then you're cut off.
The teachings are utterly false and need to be exposed, and I couldn't care less if a wolf doesn't care for me. God gave me a staff for a reason.
Stand against their teachings, refute them with Scripture and you are called a slanderer with verses taken out of context to do so. I'm also aware these go to persons privately to oppose others on here and poison their minds against those who oppose the false teachings of Osteen, WoF preachers, prosperity gospel lies and hyper grace fallacies. "Watch out for so and so" done privately. Well, thank God for those who do it publicly, such as Angela, SovereignGrace, ForthAngel, graceNpeace and others.
These types will come to you, and spend a great deal of time trying to appear as a sheep. Jesus warned us of this in Matthew 7, so I am always leery of those who spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to prove their graciousness and niceness while going to high degrees to protect well known heretics who are deceiving millions and who fleece the sheep.
Expose them for this and you're on their bad list as they spend time trying to appear ministers of light to others -- just come against their false teachings and you'll uncover the ravenous wolf. It's all good up until the time you expose them then you're cut off.
The teachings are utterly false and need to be exposed, and I couldn't care less if a wolf doesn't care for me. God gave me a staff for a reason.
I'll tell you who gave him the authority denadii. None other that Jesus Christ Himself at Matthew 7:15-20. Tell me, who is Jesus talking to by Him saying at vs15, "Beware of the false prophets?" Who is God talking to at Jeremiah 23:16?
And what about what the Apostle Paul stated at ACts 20:28-30? Then there is my personal favorite at Titus 1:10-16. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, WHO MUST BE SILENCED (why denadii?) because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not (like Jesus Christ taking on the nature of Satan and being tortued in hell, opps that's copland's teaching) for the sake of sordid gain/money, houses, boats, planes, cars, air conditioned dog houses etc.)
Vs13, "This testimony is true. FOR THIS CAUSE REPROVE THEM SEVERLY that they may be sound in the faith. That word "reprove or rebuke severly/shaply means to "bring to light, expose, set forth." And "convict, convince, point out." Or, "reprove and correct." The word "sharply" means "severly or rigorously so they will be sound in the faith which refers to the accepted doctrine or orthodox doctrine which is "right belief." The goal is correction and restoration.
In short denadii, that's who gives us the authority so quit telling us who gave us the authority. And btw, when you dispute with some of us who happen to be post-tribulationist are you judging us because we may be wrong (in your eyes) and your trying to correct or reprove us because you think were wrong? Who gave you that authority?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what about what the Apostle Paul stated at ACts 20:28-30? Then there is my personal favorite at Titus 1:10-16. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, WHO MUST BE SILENCED (why denadii?) because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not (like Jesus Christ taking on the nature of Satan and being tortued in hell, opps that's copland's teaching) for the sake of sordid gain/money, houses, boats, planes, cars, air conditioned dog houses etc.)
Vs13, "This testimony is true. FOR THIS CAUSE REPROVE THEM SEVERLY that they may be sound in the faith. That word "reprove or rebuke severly/shaply means to "bring to light, expose, set forth." And "convict, convince, point out." Or, "reprove and correct." The word "sharply" means "severly or rigorously so they will be sound in the faith which refers to the accepted doctrine or orthodox doctrine which is "right belief." The goal is correction and restoration.
In short denadii, that's who gives us the authority so quit telling us who gave us the authority. And btw, when you dispute with some of us who happen to be post-tribulationist are you judging us because we may be wrong (in your eyes) and your trying to correct or reprove us because you think were wrong? Who gave you that authority?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Denadii, then you should also refer what the Lord says about prophets which telling not the truth. A man of God is speaking the truth and not false. I doubt that all preachers which we can hear and see are speaking the truth. And in this special case the OP used a preacher which claimed something what was not true. For that we also got the Holy Spirit for to distingish between wrong and right.
I'll tell you who gave him the authority denadii. None other that Jesus Christ Himself at Matthew 7:15-20. Tell me, who is Jesus talking to by Him saying at vs15, "Beware of the false prophets?" Who is God talking to at Jeremiah 23:16?
And what about what the Apostle Paul stated at ACts 20:28-30? Then there is my personal favorite at Titus 1:10-16. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, WHO MUST BE SILENCED (why denadii?) because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not (like Jesus Christ taking on the nature of Satan and being tortued in hell, opps that's copland's teaching) for the sake of sordid gain/money, houses, boats, planes, cars, air conditioned dog houses etc.)
Vs13, "This testimony is true. FOR THIS CAUSE REPROVE THEM SEVERLY that they may be sound in the faith. That word "reprove or rebuke severly/shaply means to "bring to light, expose, set forth." And "convict, convince, point out." Or, "reprove and correct." The word "sharply" means "severly or rigorously so they will be sound in the faith which refers to the accepted doctrine or orthodox doctrine which is "right belief." The goal is correction and restoration.
In short denadii, that's who gives us the authority so quit telling us who gave us the authority. And btw, when you dispute with some of us who happen to be post-tribulationist are you judging us because we may be wrong (in your eyes) and your trying to correct or reprove us because you think were wrong? Who gave you that authority?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what about what the Apostle Paul stated at ACts 20:28-30? Then there is my personal favorite at Titus 1:10-16. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, WHO MUST BE SILENCED (why denadii?) because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not (like Jesus Christ taking on the nature of Satan and being tortued in hell, opps that's copland's teaching) for the sake of sordid gain/money, houses, boats, planes, cars, air conditioned dog houses etc.)
Vs13, "This testimony is true. FOR THIS CAUSE REPROVE THEM SEVERLY that they may be sound in the faith. That word "reprove or rebuke severly/shaply means to "bring to light, expose, set forth." And "convict, convince, point out." Or, "reprove and correct." The word "sharply" means "severly or rigorously so they will be sound in the faith which refers to the accepted doctrine or orthodox doctrine which is "right belief." The goal is correction and restoration.
In short denadii, that's who gives us the authority so quit telling us who gave us the authority. And btw, when you dispute with some of us who happen to be post-tribulationist are you judging us because we may be wrong (in your eyes) and your trying to correct or reprove us because you think were wrong? Who gave you that authority?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
In addition to that.....You people tend to name anybody you disagree with as a false teacher, and few of you actually know the Word.
First of all whether or not "we've been over all of this before" means nothing to me. That is not going to keep my mouth closed to expose false teachers and false teaching. So tell me after quoting you? "how are we to come against false teaching/teachers?" In other words, what do you personally do?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
First of all whether or not "we've been over all of this before" means nothing to me. That is not going to keep my mouth closed to expose false teachers and false teaching. So tell me after quoting you? "how are we to come against false teaching/teachers?" In other words, what do you personally do?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
S
it says the opposite
but better not read what it says about false prophets and teachers since wof follows them
I mean here is a person who claims to know the Bible and says the Bible tells us not to criticize 'preachers'
where can we find that verse? sounds like Bernie Madoff saying 'whadya mean it wasn't my money? they gave it to me!'
is that what God said to Samuel when Saul did not obey God's instructions regarding the spoils of war?
you know, like 'Samuel! touch not mine anointed!' is that what God said?
whazat? CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
no. in fact God GAVE THE ANOINTING TO ANOTHER, A SHEPHERD BY THE NAME OF DAVID.
you may have heard of him
this utter garbage and nonsense regarding anointed people. it is such a misued phrase and misunderstood
God CHOOSES who He wishes to anoint. however, we have all these false prophets, teachers and other three ring circus masters calling themselves anointed and the anointed apostles of Barney the Dinosaur anointing. the I anoint you, you anoint me, we anoint each other (sung to the tune of Barney's song)
S
God never called any of these men
God chastises His sons and daughters
they do not receive correction
they are false
sadly, sometimes a person will have an actual 'call' of God on their lives and they blow it
your story of David has more to do with David's respect then God's anointing
God TOTALLY disrespected (in the vernacular of sports enthusiasts) Saul
Saul went to a witch and asked for a seance
do you actually think God shrugs things like that off?
Oh please denadii, quit coping out on me. Your the one that said these words, "It says we can know false teaching, it says how we are to come against it," So I'm asking you according to the Bible "how are we to come against false teachings?"
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Romans 16:17-18 (CJB)
17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put snares alongside the teaching in which you have been trained — keep away from them. 18 For men like these are not serving our Lord the Messiah but their own belly; by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the innocent.
Titus 1:13 (CJB)
13 and it’s true! For this reason, you must be severe when you rebuke those who have followed this false teaching, so that they will come to be sound in their trust
Read the Word!! It says When you rebuke those who follow the false teachers.
You can either obey the Word or keep writing your own bible.
Sound and good advice.
The problem is I have been online most of the past days marking papers, so I keep flipping back and forth from CC to my online course to break up all the reading,
which is silly really because I am not really giving myself any kind of break from all the reading just adding to it.
So yes better I just go out to my garden and smell the flowers and yes take a little break.
The problem is I have been online most of the past days marking papers, so I keep flipping back and forth from CC to my online course to break up all the reading,
which is silly really because I am not really giving myself any kind of break from all the reading just adding to it.
So yes better I just go out to my garden and smell the flowers and yes take a little break.
It sort of reminds me of the phone. Used to be before cell phones and answering machines were in everyone's house if we were outside mowing the lawn or tending to our gardens we would not know if the phone even rang. So we would be "legally" fine not knowing someone called and they would call us back in due time. In general that is how I think now about missing a phone call or appointment or coming to CC. Should I not get back to CC for a day or so even if to miss answering posts on a thread I started it would not matter. There is always God's perfect timing anyway. And if I wasn't there to answer back what would it matter? Life goes on without me and my words.
Like when the same people who disagree with my Bible beliefs about Job for instance. They come to my threads and call me a wolf, heretic and false teacher and delusional among other unkind words. It's ok for me not to answer them back or defend myself. If I was at work or my computer was broke., there would be no way to answer back anyway.
Also., how should a Christian woman or man defend themselves when a group of people disagree with certain interpretations of the Bible? If others on this site can't just agree to disagree and instead will go to character assassination how should I respond?
It has to be without attack for attack. There is a way to post the truth without helping the enemy tear us all apart. Also, if we don't fight our own battles God will take up our defense. And He is always faithful.
So., since I have an opportunity to reply kindly., I can just repost again the things already posted here about Job. How he (like us) learned to trust God more even in through turmoil. That God got Job through the tribulation and brought Job out to the other side blessing Job and restoring to him the things the devil tried to steal. God healed Job and prospered him even more than Job was first blessed. God gave Job back the months the locusts had stolen from him and then some. That's how God works; graciously.
Also, I remember reading Job had all this tribulation suddenly come upon him. And that for Job the horrors didn't last for years and years but for months. Also that the tribulations came upon Job "suddenly" and that reminds me of Psalms about sudden destruction coming and that is how the enemy works too. All the more reason to be aware of his devices.
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Actually it is James who gives us insight into the power of the tongue (James 3:1-18).
1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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