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I would not say sinless,but they can abstain from sin if they are led of the Spirit,for they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections,and will show the ways of the Spirit,and not the flesh.
I do not say sinless,because we are all sinners in need of salvation,and I would look at sinless as if they were like that their entire life,and did not ever have the possibility to sin.
I do not say sinless,because we are still tempted,and have a war between good and evil,and the Spirit and the flesh are contrary to each other,which means we still have the possibility to sin if we desire to sin.
As long as we have the possibility to sin,and there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh,and with the mind we serve Christ,but with the body we serve sin(not that we are necessarily sinning,but the flesh does not change,only our attitude),then we cannot be sinless,for there is still the possibility that we can sin if we desire to sin.
But if we hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,but there is still the possibility to sin if we desire to sin,so I would not say sinless.
We are a sinner saved by grace,and the flesh is still part of us,and there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
The man Christ Jesus is the only person sinless,for He was always led of the Spirit,and was tempted,but not possible that He could sin.
When we are tempted,it is not a guarantee that we will not sin,for we have a war in us between good and evil,and we do not know what the future holds.
It would seem like someone could say,I will not sin for I will always allow the Spirit to lead me,which is true they could,but we cannot say it like it is a guarantee,although we can be positive,and say,Lord help me to abstain from sin.
I do not say sinless,because we are all sinners in need of salvation,and I would look at sinless as if they were like that their entire life,and did not ever have the possibility to sin.
I do not say sinless,because we are still tempted,and have a war between good and evil,and the Spirit and the flesh are contrary to each other,which means we still have the possibility to sin if we desire to sin.
As long as we have the possibility to sin,and there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh,and with the mind we serve Christ,but with the body we serve sin(not that we are necessarily sinning,but the flesh does not change,only our attitude),then we cannot be sinless,for there is still the possibility that we can sin if we desire to sin.
But if we hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,but there is still the possibility to sin if we desire to sin,so I would not say sinless.
We are a sinner saved by grace,and the flesh is still part of us,and there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
The man Christ Jesus is the only person sinless,for He was always led of the Spirit,and was tempted,but not possible that He could sin.
When we are tempted,it is not a guarantee that we will not sin,for we have a war in us between good and evil,and we do not know what the future holds.
It would seem like someone could say,I will not sin for I will always allow the Spirit to lead me,which is true they could,but we cannot say it like it is a guarantee,although we can be positive,and say,Lord help me to abstain from sin.
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I believe that we as Christians are not only called to be sinless but that we can be. I know many Christians
think that we are sinners saved by grace, but if we are born again then we are no longer sinners. We can go
back to sin, but the new Spirit given to us cannot sin, so neither can we if we walk in it. So when one does fall
into sin, it's because they have gone back to the flesh. It means that they are weak in the Spirit. So we have to
grow more into the Spirit and the nature until we are established where we no longer give in to sin. I think that
the devil is deceiving Christians into believing that they can never stop sinning, as long as they are in the world
that they sooner or later will give in. So a person with that kind of mindset would not even attempt to be fully
established in walking by the Spirit. They will not fully crucify the lust of the flesh, because they think that they can't
That's what the devil wants, so that he can still use them, even if it's just a little bit. That's not what God wants. We
are called not to be somewhat holy, but fully, and we are given the Spirit that can establish us there, if we let it and
continue to grow into fully walking in the new nature that does not sin and that cannot sin. So I think that we as Christians
should come to the understanding of this and help build each other up into perfection. We are told not to look at the things that are seen. The world around us and our life is not the mirror we should be looking into, but into the perfect law of liberty
The word of God, which teaches us that with God all things are possible, and that we can do all things in Christ. So the more
we look unto Christ, the less we look unto ourselves, and unto our carnal mind that condemns us and brings up our past sins and and tries to hold us there. It doesn't matter what your life looks like now or has been, that's what is going to hold you
there and where you will continue to walk the same way, because you keep looking at the same mirror, not the reflection from
the word of God which reflects Christ and what we are to grow into. from glory to glory and faith to faith. Renewing our minds
by the word and growing into the same picture of it and living it out. We either believe what someone else says, ourselves or
what the word shows us and tells us. We cannot do it ourselves but with God in us, working in us, and allowing him to do so
we can and we will fulfill the Word of God.
think that we are sinners saved by grace, but if we are born again then we are no longer sinners. We can go
back to sin, but the new Spirit given to us cannot sin, so neither can we if we walk in it. So when one does fall
into sin, it's because they have gone back to the flesh. It means that they are weak in the Spirit. So we have to
grow more into the Spirit and the nature until we are established where we no longer give in to sin. I think that
the devil is deceiving Christians into believing that they can never stop sinning, as long as they are in the world
that they sooner or later will give in. So a person with that kind of mindset would not even attempt to be fully
established in walking by the Spirit. They will not fully crucify the lust of the flesh, because they think that they can't
That's what the devil wants, so that he can still use them, even if it's just a little bit. That's not what God wants. We
are called not to be somewhat holy, but fully, and we are given the Spirit that can establish us there, if we let it and
continue to grow into fully walking in the new nature that does not sin and that cannot sin. So I think that we as Christians
should come to the understanding of this and help build each other up into perfection. We are told not to look at the things that are seen. The world around us and our life is not the mirror we should be looking into, but into the perfect law of liberty
The word of God, which teaches us that with God all things are possible, and that we can do all things in Christ. So the more
we look unto Christ, the less we look unto ourselves, and unto our carnal mind that condemns us and brings up our past sins and and tries to hold us there. It doesn't matter what your life looks like now or has been, that's what is going to hold you
there and where you will continue to walk the same way, because you keep looking at the same mirror, not the reflection from
the word of God which reflects Christ and what we are to grow into. from glory to glory and faith to faith. Renewing our minds
by the word and growing into the same picture of it and living it out. We either believe what someone else says, ourselves or
what the word shows us and tells us. We cannot do it ourselves but with God in us, working in us, and allowing him to do so
we can and we will fulfill the Word of God.
can a person do what they Know is right consistantly?
james 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
if you have 2 sons same age and you give the first a marker and exolain to them do not write on the wall, or i will take your marker, you give them paper. if they then write on the wall, they Know what they have done is wrong, they are guilty and taking the marker is Just and fair.
the Other son, you simply hand Him a marker and leave the room. He writes on the wall, He is not guilty because you never Gave Him the rule you gave the other. thats How sin is for us. if you are Knowingly doing what you Know is wrong, you are sinning and are in need of repentance.
If you are doing whats wrong and are ignorant to it, you are not guilty of Sin. to judge that person is How the old covenant worked, its different Now. its about what we Know, and How we walk according to that Knowledge. to keep our conscience clear before God in earnest is to be without sin in Christ.
the Great thing is we have the choice to repent and be forgiven if we sin. we are obligated to walk according to our conscience in Christ. to sin is to violate that conscience He gives us by His spirit.
With respect I was replying to an individual who is a pastor in the SDA church.
If you didn't know the SDA church takes a view that sinless perfection is real and attainable on this earth.
Furthermore I am personally aware of SDA members who instead of talking about the weather will tell each other how long it has been since the last sinned (usually months to years)!
However, knowing these individuals personally, that is just sanctimonious claptrap...
All they do is redefine what sin is...
If you didn't know the SDA church takes a view that sinless perfection is real and attainable on this earth.
Furthermore I am personally aware of SDA members who instead of talking about the weather will tell each other how long it has been since the last sinned (usually months to years)!
However, knowing these individuals personally, that is just sanctimonious claptrap...
All they do is redefine what sin is...
Depends on the definition of sinless, which is not as simple as it seems at first.
Sinless = not breaking any commandment (i.e. not actively doing evil)?
Sinless = doing every time the right thing (i.e. actively doing good)?
Sinless = also our thoughts without any evil influence?
Sinless = not even accidental sins (like unplanned look at half-naked girl on the street)?
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I think we can surely get to a level where we can be called righteous like Daniel, Job or Noah were.
I do not think we can be totally perfect, even from accidental sins, but maybe somebody has such gift of God like blind people etc.
Also, there is such a law - when you get rid of big sins, you see smaller sins better. Its like cleaning your house. The more it is cleaned, the more small imperfections are visible. So thats why the most righteous are also the most leaning on the mercy of God, knowing how many sins they still have, even though for the rest of people they seem to be perfect already.
Sinless = not breaking any commandment (i.e. not actively doing evil)?
Sinless = doing every time the right thing (i.e. actively doing good)?
Sinless = also our thoughts without any evil influence?
Sinless = not even accidental sins (like unplanned look at half-naked girl on the street)?
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I think we can surely get to a level where we can be called righteous like Daniel, Job or Noah were.
I do not think we can be totally perfect, even from accidental sins, but maybe somebody has such gift of God like blind people etc.
Also, there is such a law - when you get rid of big sins, you see smaller sins better. Its like cleaning your house. The more it is cleaned, the more small imperfections are visible. So thats why the most righteous are also the most leaning on the mercy of God, knowing how many sins they still have, even though for the rest of people they seem to be perfect already.
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Here is what people miss, what about in any current moment for a set period of time, being in a 'sinless state'.
Or has no-one ever felt such a holy love?
Can 'perfect love' and sin exist in the same space?
But try telling a Pharisee to be more loving rather than law-abiding, they will show you who they are! The loving child they once were has been replaced by a mechanical and intelligent machine that knows everything religiously, but has become cold to love. Oh! What a price to pay!
Love is the test of the spirit. If it does not come out, this mind has been compromised and so the soul.
Or has no-one ever felt such a holy love?
Can 'perfect love' and sin exist in the same space?
But try telling a Pharisee to be more loving rather than law-abiding, they will show you who they are! The loving child they once were has been replaced by a mechanical and intelligent machine that knows everything religiously, but has become cold to love. Oh! What a price to pay!
Love is the test of the spirit. If it does not come out, this mind has been compromised and so the soul.
I believe that us Christians are not understanding the new creation in Christ which has been created in righteousness and holiness. That new creation which is joined as one spirit with the Lord cannot sin. 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 speaks of this.
What happens now are what Paul called "The deeds of the body". We have the power of sin in our flesh and this is not the real person in Christ. We are responsible with what we do with these bodies.
Knowing that we are "dead to sin" means that we are separated from our flesh by the circumcision of Christ - where the body of flesh is "cut away" from the inner man in Christ who cannot sin. This is the sealing of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Paul says that "Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under law but grace".
We have this treasure - Christ Himself in this earthen vessel and we will not fully be able to manifest all that Christ is in us because of this flesh. Those that say they never sin - have a very low understanding of what sin actually is. Anything that is not of faith is sin.
Our un-renewed minds still have thoughts and intentions of the flesh which are contrary to the life of Christ and that is sin as well. Sin means "missing the mark" - the mark being - God's quality of life!
In the meantime - because we are in the Light - His blood continually cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7 One day we will get new bodies and then we will outwardly reflect all that Christ is in us.
What happens now are what Paul called "The deeds of the body". We have the power of sin in our flesh and this is not the real person in Christ. We are responsible with what we do with these bodies.
Knowing that we are "dead to sin" means that we are separated from our flesh by the circumcision of Christ - where the body of flesh is "cut away" from the inner man in Christ who cannot sin. This is the sealing of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Paul says that "Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under law but grace".
We have this treasure - Christ Himself in this earthen vessel and we will not fully be able to manifest all that Christ is in us because of this flesh. Those that say they never sin - have a very low understanding of what sin actually is. Anything that is not of faith is sin.
Our un-renewed minds still have thoughts and intentions of the flesh which are contrary to the life of Christ and that is sin as well. Sin means "missing the mark" - the mark being - God's quality of life!
In the meantime - because we are in the Light - His blood continually cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7 One day we will get new bodies and then we will outwardly reflect all that Christ is in us.