Melchizadek

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I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?
 

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I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?
That can be neither proven nor disproven, but it is a possibility.
 
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I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?
I will prove him wrong after he first proves himself right.:eek:
 
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The word Melchizedek is a title not a name.
 
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This is the proof that Melchizedek was not Seth.
Hebrews 7 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

That makes this a short thread. LOL
 
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Sorry, Guys, I found the real Melchizadek. He's the guy on the right.

[video=youtube;1Qh2tbG3sCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qh2tbG3sCw[/video]
 
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This is the proof that Melchizedek was not Seth.
Hebrews 7 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

That makes this a short thread. LOL
others in the bible can hold this title as well, Shem maybe?
 
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I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Melchizedek was a visible manifestation of God Himself,for He was without father,without mother,without descent,having neither beginning of days,nor end of life.

This was not a manifestation of God born of flesh,but God made a body for Himself from the dust of the earth,and then when the purpose was fulfilled,the body went back to the dust of the earth.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Seth was born of Adam and Eve,and is sure not God.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,and He too is a visible manifestation of God in flesh,but born of a woman,and a permanent manifestation of God,and now a glorified body,for the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Melchizedek was before the Leviticus priesthood,but a tenth of tithes was given to him by Abraham,the spoils of war,and Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek for the Leviticus priesthood does not apply after He came.

Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.
Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

God appeared with two of His angels in flesh to Abraham.

Melchizedek sure is not Seth who is a mortal human,born of Adam and Eve,a sinner like everybody else,and in need of salvation,and Jesus would not be made after the order of Seth forever.

Melchizedek is God,Jesus is God made after the order of Melchizedek.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Seth was born of a woman,and later on could not be Melchizedek,for he is God.

Jesus said born of women there has not been a greater than John the Baptist,so John is greater than Seth,and John is not even Melchizedek,so Seth sure cannot be.

It throws some people off when the Bible says Jesus is God manifest in flesh.

But all God's Spirit cannot fit in a body.

God is in all,and through all.

When the Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

If God robes part of His Spirit in flesh,that manifestation is still considered God,but not God in totality,but that manifestation is God Himself directing that manifestion,with no other will to combat against it,and is the only way we can see the invisible God.

Jesus is God Himself showing a visible manifestation of Himself,and manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The man Christ Jesus does not have His own personal Spirit that moves around with Him,for there cannot be a gap anywhere of the Spirit,for the Spirit fills all space.

But the man Christ Jesus moves through the Spirit,and where ever He is at,the Spirit is there,the same as the saints.
 

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How would Shem fit?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is physically possible for Shem and Abraham were contemporaries. In fact Shem did not die until after Isaac married. Shem would have been the oldest Patriarch of his blood line and as with many Patriarchs he would have served as the spiritual leader of the family and would have functioned as a priest in making sacrificial atonement for his people. As far as any of the rest of the speculation as to the manner of being Melchizedek was, the Hebrew writer leaves no room for speculation. He was a man. [/FONT]
 
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Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Melchizedek was more than a man,for He was God Himself showing a visible manifestation,by making Him a body made from the dust of the earth.
 
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is physically possible for Shem and Abraham were contemporaries. In fact Shem did not die until after Isaac married. Shem would have been the oldest Patriarch of his blood line and as with many Patriarchs he would have served as the spiritual leader of the family and would have functioned as a priest in making sacrificial atonement for his people. As far as any of the rest of the speculation as to the manner of being Melchizedek was, the Hebrew writer leaves no room for speculation. He was a man. [/FONT]
Good point, if I'm not mistaken, Shem was king of Salem, aka Jerusalem.

It may be unfortunate the book of Jashar has been lost to time, this book might of mentioned a little more on the topic.
 

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Good point, if I'm not mistaken, Shem was king of Salem, aka Jerusalem.

It may be unfortunate the book of Jashar has been lost to time, this book might of mentioned a little more on the topic.
I do not know how one would be able to prove any connection between Shem and Jerusalem beyond mere speculation.
 
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This is physically possible for Shem and Abraham were contemporaries. In fact Shem did not die until after Isaac married. Shem would have been the oldest Patriarch of his blood line and as with many Patriarchs he would have served as the spiritual leader of the family and would have functioned as a priest in making sacrificial atonement for his people. As far as any of the rest of the speculation as to the manner of being Melchizedek was, the Hebrew writer leaves no room for speculation. He was a man.
Shem had parents? Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually?
No....Shem does not fit. No Man fits....Melchizedek had to have been Jesus.
 

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Shem had parents? Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually?
No....Shem does not fit. No Man fits....Melchizedek had to have been Jesus.
Whether or not he was Shem is really immaterial. Whether or not he was a man is provided by the Hebrew writer. "Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils" Heb. 7:4 and since he was a man, he had a geneoloy.
 
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Whether or not he was Shem is really immaterial. Whether or not he was a man is provided by the Hebrew writer. "Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils" Heb. 7:4 and since he was a man, he had a geneoloy.
Hebrews 7:3 gives his genealogy. "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God. Jesus was also a man.
 

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Hebrews 7:3 gives his genealogy. "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God. Jesus was also a man.
"But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises." Verse six tells us two things about Melchizedek. First, that he had a genealogy - "But the one whose genealogy." This says he had a genealogy but that his genealogy was not through Levi.