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Can one lose their salvation after being saved?
 
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Can one lose their salvation after being saved?
NO!!!!!
Now get ready for an onslaught of those who will say you can.
But of course, they never have.
 

CherieR

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Jesus says in John 6:37: All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
 

Joidevivre

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I've heard both sides argue this, but the only important thing you need to know is that you are sure YOU CAN'T.

At least I am.
 

Magenta

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Can one lose their salvation after being saved?
Can you answer the question of how you know you are saved? For instance, have you encountered the Living Lord? Did you recognize Him and His voice? If you have and you did, and you have surrendered your opposition in the natural man to the Spiritual things of God, then you are one of His sheep :) He gave His life for you.
 

valiant

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Can one lose their salvation after being saved?
we can lose our salvation. what we cannot lose is God's salvation

who has called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace before the world began
 
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Jackson123

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Salvation is by faith, If you lose faith than you lose your salvation
 

Dai3234

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This is a very confusing area, as losing it is opposite to the implication of: Ephesians 5:5, basically says, when you do bad, you may/will suffer a sons disobedience. This implies you area SON. Not able to be taken out of the grip of Jesus or the Father as they are one. Basically. Ephesians 4:30, Also it says you are SEALED for the day of redemption.

I think this may relate to "frontlets" in the head and possibly marked in the will of actions (hand) from an old testament reference.


But somone said online recently that you may be able walk away and not be plucked/stolen away from Jesus Hand.

This is so confusing to me as, there are so many references to not doing any bad, ever, or you may not be in Christ, you should endure and perservere etc. Many, many vrses point to this. Also, having fear of God, kind of dissapeares if we are "always saved" without potential falling etc. Unless its just fear for others??

In my opinion, and only opinion, if you follow Jesus in obedience fully, you become a more sacrificial christian. I still findit difficult to witness and evangelise, or also still get ebarrassed and nervous about talking to people i know about God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Religion etc.

There just awkward subjects when our feeling are involved. But thats the issue are wedenying Christ, and will be denied by Christ to the Father, because we were too awkward and not enough like children shouting from the roof tops???

I think thats why alot of us feel this way (wobbly in salvation), as if we just don't know. Because we bhuddist monks better than us, and there not christians. Putting us to shame.

So in my opinion, it's difficult to tell unless someone solves the problems of walking away from God, cmpared to being taken from God. Can we remove the SEAL from ourselves byturning from God, when emaining keeps us sealed etc?? I don't fully get it either.

I would have preferred a tiny amount more certainty. Though once saved always saved, implies I can be saved, kill millions of people, andstil be saved. It doesn't stack up in thought some how.
 

Christian71

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we can lose our salvation. what we cannot lose is God's salvation

who has called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace before the world began
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The Apostle Paul is telling those who heard him, that there was a salvation in obedience... As we receive blessing in obedience, if we do not obey God, will with hold those blessings... You don't work out salvation to get or lose it (eternally speaking), but because you already have it... The word salvation doesn't always mean eternal in scripture, look at the context... Salvation is by Faith... My faith is in Christ, because it's OF Christ... Brother Glen
 

valiant

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Salvation is by faith, If you lose faith than you lose your salvation
So its your, not God's?

God says of His salvation, Who has called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace before the world began
 
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I would have preferred a tiny amount more certainty. Though once saved always saved, implies I can be saved, kill millions of people, andstil be saved. It doesn't stack up in thought some how.
Exactly,
What about those who have found the Lord, but continue to sin. Do you think they really have not found the Lord?

For me yes I have found and have a personal relationship with the Lord. But to say I am without sin would be a lie.
The bible says all sin is equal so what's the difference of a big sin and a "little" sin? Nothing.
SO IF THERE WAS A murderer next to me who once saved, would we both be equally guilty of sin? And if so does that mean we would both make it to "heaven"
 

Jackson123

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This is a very confusing area, as losing it is opposite to the implication of: Ephesians 5:5, basically says, when you do bad, you may/will suffer a sons disobedience. This implies you area SON. Not able to be taken out of the grip of Jesus or the Father as they are one. Basically. Ephesians 4:30, Also it says you are SEALED for the day of redemption.

I think this may relate to "frontlets" in the head and possibly marked in the will of actions (hand) from an old testament reference.


But somone said online recently that you may be able walk away and not be plucked/stolen away from Jesus Hand.

This is so confusing to me as, there are so many references to not doing any bad, ever, or you may not be in Christ, you should endure and perservere etc. Many, many vrses point to this. Also, having fear of God, kind of dissapeares if we are "always saved" without potential falling etc. Unless its just fear for others??

In my opinion, and only opinion, if you follow Jesus in obedience fully, you become a more sacrificial christian. I still findit difficult to witness and evangelise, or also still get ebarrassed and nervous about talking to people i know about God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Religion etc.

There just awkward subjects when our feeling are involved. But thats the issue are wedenying Christ, and will be denied by Christ to the Father, because we were too awkward and not enough like children shouting from the roof tops???

I think thats why alot of us feel this way (wobbly in salvation), as if we just don't know. Because we bhuddist monks better than us, and there not christians. Putting us to shame.

So in my opinion, it's difficult to tell unless someone solves the problems of walking away from God, cmpared to being taken from God. Can we remove the SEAL from ourselves byturning from God, when emaining keeps us sealed etc?? I don't fully get it either.

I would have preferred a tiny amount more certainty. Though once saved always saved, implies I can be saved, kill millions of people, andstil be saved. It doesn't stack up in thought some how.
yup God want every body save, because he love His creation, he make over to every body to have faith in Him, and He Will protect WHO ever believe in Him No body can harm his salvation

but If he walk away from his faith he lose his protection

like you buy a car insurance, If you stop paying your premium, they stop Insured you.

faith is like free premium. I know some Christian change her faith because Married with rich muslim.

recently a Christian lady married with rich and popularitas Indonesian president son, and she Convert to muslim
 

Zmouth

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Salvation is by faith, If you lose faith than you lose your salvation
Faith is not necessary to be saved, I wasn't saved by faith but by the hand of the LORD. However faith is the gift I received after I was saved.

So if salvation is by faith, and of course faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, then does salvation require one to believe the word of God or just hear it?
 

Jackson123

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So its your, not God's?

God says of His salvation, Who has called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace before the world began
salvation is product of God not me, but we are not robot, up to us whether we want to use that product or not
 

Jackson123

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Faith is not necessary to be saved, I wasn't saved by faith but by the hand of the LORD. However faith is the gift I received after I was saved.

So if salvation is by faith, and of course faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, then does salvation require one to believe the word of God or just hear it?
It require believe for salvation

john 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 

mailmandan

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Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
 
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Can one lose their salvation after being saved?

if they can, the we're never saved.

we are either saved or we are not saved, there is no in between,
 

Jackson123

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Rev 2
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

if you not faithful to death you lose your salvation
 

Magenta

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The bible says all sin is equal so what's the difference of a big sin and a "little" sin? Nothing.
SO IF THERE WAS A murderer next to me who once saved, would we both be equally guilty of sin? And if so does that mean we would both make it to "heaven"
Jesus identified the fact that there are greater sins than others, while He was speaking with Pontius Pilate before the crucifixion. Also, the life we gain through the resurrected Christ, life ever after following the resurrection and judgment of all, is to be spent on a renewed Earth. Jesus also told us not to worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself, that each day has enough trouble of its own. So if you know you are saved, then follow after Jesus. Involve yourself in fellowship, and the renewing of your mind in Christ Jesus, and putting on your new self.
 

Magenta

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Also, in the life to come, all the old things will be forgotten. What someone did in this life will not be remembered. If Hitler makes it to the renewed world we will not know what his crimes against humanity were in this lifetime, so it will not matter then. All sin is forgiven to those that believe and for that each and every one of us should be grateful.