REFORMED THEOLOGY CRITICS - BE CONSISTENT AND DON'T LISTEN TO REFORMED TEACHERS

[sparkman]

I find it amusing that some of the critics of Reformed theology here have admitted to me that they listen to Reformed teachers and have benefitted from them.

The amusing thing is that Reformed teachers are the STRONGEST defenders of orthodox Christianity including the five Solas.

They aren't the ones jumping over pews and pretending to be Holy Ghost ninjas, etcetera..it's the non-Reformed people who are playing those games, as well as the Hebrew Roots/Messianic Jews/Torah observers who can't seem to get it through their heads that the Mosaic Covenant CAN'T be in effect without the Temple and Levitical priesthood..it's one integrated system.

I think anti-Reformed people should be consistent and never listen to Reformed theologians, because they are biting the hand that feeds them.

If they relied on solely on non-Reformed teachers they'd likely be raving heretics. And...it's largely the non-Reformed people that have the sex scandals, etcetera, as well as being very liberal regarding divorces and women pastors.

 

[sparkman]

It is well known that the best systematic theologies are written by Reformed authors..and they are the most consistent exegetes of Scripture.

I challenge anyone to provide a good title for a systematic theologian written by a non-Reformed author.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sparkman,

You are absolutely right. For the sake of consistency (and consistent theology) critics of Reformed Theology should avoid its teachers. Well I for one do. And just before you get carried away in your praise for these theologians, just remember that Reformed Theology has one very major flaw. It teaches that God predestines some for damnation. You can check this out for yourself in the Westminster Confession. Now if that is not a damnable doctrine, I wonder what is?

 

[Magenta]

I find it amusing that some of the critics of Reformed theology here have admitted to me that they listen to Reformed teachers and have benefited from them.

I can listen to and learn from just about anyone

 

[valiant]

Sparkman,

You are absolutely right. For the sake of consistency (and consistent theology) critics of Reformed Theology should avoid its teachers. Well I for one do. And just before you get carried away in your praise for these theologians, just remember that Reformed Theology has one very major flaw. It teaches that God predestines some for damnation. You can check this out for yourself in the Westminster Confession. Now if that is not a damnable doctrine, I wonder what is?

All men are headed for damnation on the basis of their sin. So if God, knowing that they will sin, 'predestines them for damnation', I fail to see that that is so heinous. They are not predestined arbitrarily but because of their intention to sin,

 

[graceNpeace]

All men are headed for damnation on the basis of their sin. So if God, knowing that they will sin, 'predestines them for damnation', I fail to see that that is so heinous. They are not predestined arbitrarily but because of their intention to sin,

...followed by actually committing sin!

 

[Magenta]

...followed by actually committing sin!

There are none righteous... no, not one.

 

[Nehemiah6]

All men are headed for damnation on the basis of their sin. So if God, knowing that they will sin, 'predestines them for damnation', I fail to see that that is so heinous. They are not predestined arbitrarily but because of their intention to sin,

You seemed to have missed the point. Because all are headed for damnation all are commanded to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. But if some are ALREADY predestined for damnation, it would mean that God would not allow those men to be saved. And that is damnable doctrine because it is indeed arbitrary. "Predestined" means that God has already made a selection from humanity.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There are none righteous... no, not one.

That is why salvation is offered to all -- "whosoever will" -- freely.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

All men are headed for damnation on the basis of their sin. So if God, knowing that they will sin, 'predestines them for damnation', I fail to see that that is so heinous. They are not predestined arbitrarily but because of their intention to sin,

You seemed to have missed the point. Because all are headed for damnation all are commanded to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. But if some are ALREADY predestined for damnation, it would mean that God would not allow those men to be saved. And that is damnable doctrine because it is indeed arbitrary. "Predestined" means that God has already made a selection from humanity.

He predestines them on the basis of what they will be.

There is no suggestion that God would not positively ALLOW men to be saved. That is to read in your particular prejudice. Rather He would not choose that they be saved.

God has made His selection on the basis of His positive choice of some for salvation (Roman 9; Eph 1). Previously ALL had been condemned because of what they would be.

 

[trofimus]

Reformation is not just about predestination.

BTW, free will is logically an impossible concept. Depends on the definition of this term.

 

[Grace777x70]

I can listen to and learn from just about anyone

Amen...even a donkey can teach us the word of God. The Lord will use anything to get His message over to us.

 

[trofimus]

Amen...even a donkey can teach us the word of God. The Lord will use anything to get His message over to us.

How many donkeys ever taught you?

 

[wattie]

Do you know there were and still are churches that didn't need to reform ? Not Catholic either.

They helped the reformers but had straight biblical teaching going right right back b4 catholics got off the ground

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you know there were and still are churches that didn't need to reform ? Not Catholic either.

They helped the reformers but had straight biblical teaching going right right back b4 catholics got off the ground

Oh. Documentation?

 

[Grace777x70]

How many donkeys ever taught you?

LOL...good one brother! Most likely the same amount of donkeys the Lord has used on all of us!.....

 

[Bogadile]

Actually, the reformed love to use the word orthodoxy and claim it is the five solas and nothing could be further from the truth.
The definition of orthodoxy is adhering to the 7 ecumenical councils. And many protestants do not do so.
The orthodox church is not considered orthodox by the reformed.

 

[Grace777x70]

Actually, the reformed love to use the word orthodoxy and claim it is the five solas and nothing could be further from the truth.
The definition of orthodoxy is adhering to the 7 ecumenical councils. And many protestants do not do so.
The orthodox church is not considered orthodox by the reformed.

I can see that. The orthodox ones are always "us" that see ourselves as being orthodox for our own reasons.

It "adds" legitimacy to what we are saying and this puts distain on what others believe if it is contradictory to us. It's the nature of the beast as they say......

The religious establishment of Martin Luther's day used the same tactics on him and they had 1300 years of their "established orthodoxy"..... Selah

 

[Marano]

I don't see a problem with people listening to reformed preaching, in fact I'd rather have a lot of arminians listening to reformed preaching, even if they criticize it, because it's the most sound a biblicaly based preaching there is regarding soteriology, you'd hope they'd stop criticizing reformed people and their teaching after benefitting so much from its teaching though.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I don't see a problem with people listening to reformed preaching, in fact I'd rather have a lot of arminians listening to reformed preaching, even if they criticize it, because it's the most sound a biblicaly based preaching there is regarding soteriology, you'd hope they'd stop criticizing reformed people and their teaching after benefitting so much from its teaching though.

How can it be "the most sound" if Reformed Theology holds to the Five Points of Calvinism? Not a single point in TULIP is "sound" since it controverts plain Bible truth. In the end they have to resort to the travesty that a sinner must be born again BEFORE he can believe the Gospel. Think of the absurdity of that. And if God predestines some to Heaven, it follows logically that He predestines the majority to Hell. Think on that for a moment.