Another requirement for salvation; Not that simple
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Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Mt 7:21-23 ESV)
what are these people depending on? have they done 'works'? where is their focus? is it on the Lord Jesus, or themselves?
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Mt 7:21-23 ESV)
what are these people depending on? have they done 'works'? where is their focus? is it on the Lord Jesus, or themselves?
yep If we obeying the law, we save like Jesus Said, It doesn't perfect. I believe Jesus refer to OT, It was No NT then.
and when Jesus Said obey the law, doesn't mean sinless. But If one sin, one must make animal sacrifice, to pay the sin.
In NT era, Jesus pay the penalty but require to repent.
we not sinless, but we must demonstate that we born again, not death. There is sign of life, start loving other, thoug not perfect yet. And the love Will grow AS time goes by.
no love at all, No fruit at all, Will be Cut and burn into fire
and when Jesus Said obey the law, doesn't mean sinless. But If one sin, one must make animal sacrifice, to pay the sin.
In NT era, Jesus pay the penalty but require to repent.
we not sinless, but we must demonstate that we born again, not death. There is sign of life, start loving other, thoug not perfect yet. And the love Will grow AS time goes by.
no love at all, No fruit at all, Will be Cut and burn into fire
Hi Jackson123,
I asked you in the past what resources you have available to you for further study, and am wondering what these resources may be? I apologize if I have missed your answer. Sir, I may have some things that could very well help you in your understanding and walk. These are free resources and are orthodox teachings as well.
I asked you in the past what resources you have available to you for further study, and am wondering what these resources may be? I apologize if I have missed your answer. Sir, I may have some things that could very well help you in your understanding and walk. These are free resources and are orthodox teachings as well.
She will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will 'help His people save themselves from their sins' ??
nope!
nope!
"It is works of obedience that help to save us, not works of the law or works of merit."
Of course this statement is an oxymoron. We cannot dissect works of obedience from the moral aspect of the law and if are saved by works of obedience, then these works become works of merit. I asked that person, "so how many works of obedience must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us?", but of course I received no answer.
I once heard someone make this statement:
"It is works of obedience that help to save us, not works of the law or works of merit."
Of course this statement is an oxymoron. We cannot dissect works of obedience from the moral aspect of the law and if are saved by works of obedience, then these works become works of merit. I asked that person, "so how many works of obedience must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us?", but of course I received no answer.
"It is works of obedience that help to save us, not works of the law or works of merit."
Of course this statement is an oxymoron. We cannot dissect works of obedience from the moral aspect of the law and if are saved by works of obedience, then these works become works of merit. I asked that person, "so how many works of obedience must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Him save us?", but of course I received no answer.
What is so especially asinine about this is they aren't even God fearers, or Jews of Paul's day, so they have no Judaistic teachings to lean on that would lead them astray, and into their error away from the Gospel.
Instead these arrive at their baseless gospel upon many misinterpreted Scriptures making the sacrifice of Christ of none effect. This is literal falling from grace.
Notice how at least one mocks others for their dependency upon God's grace for salvation? It is fitting to their false gospel message to go that far into mockery of the truth.
Amen! Difference in style, but same in substance - "works based" false gospel.
I have even heard certain individuals say, "initially we are saved through faith, but ultimate salvation is by works. This is type 2 works salvation. Oh the pride of man!
I have even heard certain individuals say, "initially we are saved through faith, but ultimate salvation is by works. This is type 2 works salvation. Oh the pride of man!
Amen! Difference in style, but same in substance - "works based" false gospel.
I have even heard certain individuals say, "initially we are saved through faith, but ultimate salvation is by works. This is type 2 works salvation. Oh the pride of man!
I have even heard certain individuals say, "initially we are saved through faith, but ultimate salvation is by works. This is type 2 works salvation. Oh the pride of man!
It is like the mutual funds - some charge "up-front" for getting into the fund. Others say "it's free" to join in but then they say they will charge you if you want to leave the fund. It's called "back-loading the fees ".
Paul tells us that the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and Paul also tells us why people DO NOT BELIEVE the gospel:
2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Yes, salvation is by believe alone, but, we have to understand the definition of believe in the context of the bible. What include in the word believe.
In my understanding, believe in the context in the bible is do the Will of the Father. AS Said in matt 7.
Killing, Cheating, raping, robing is not the Will of the Father.
not perfect, but I do not understand why Jesus Said lawlessness not go to heaven and also Said salvation by believe in Him
( John 3:16)
I believe the word believe in this context mean obey His command.
Not religious command, but love command AS describe in Luke 10:27
the essence of the law is love.
matt 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
All the law and prophet hang oN to the law of love.
In my understanding, believe in the context in the bible is do the Will of the Father. AS Said in matt 7.
Killing, Cheating, raping, robing is not the Will of the Father.
not perfect, but I do not understand why Jesus Said lawlessness not go to heaven and also Said salvation by believe in Him
( John 3:16)
I believe the word believe in this context mean obey His command.
Not religious command, but love command AS describe in Luke 10:27
the essence of the law is love.
matt 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
All the law and prophet hang oN to the law of love.
Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
What is the will of the Father for us to receive eternal life? John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. These many people in Matthew 7:22 trusted in their works for salvation and not in Christ alone. Jesus NEVER knew them (Matthew 7:23).
Of course not. What is God's will for us AFTER we have been saved through faith?--(not an exhaustive list)--1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Without faith it's impossible to please God, so apart from faith in Christ, our sin remains, so in God's eyes, we are either the righteousness of God through faith in Him (Philippians 3:9) or workers of iniquity/those who practice lawlessness/evil doers (Matthew 7:23). It's one or the other.
Which command? To believe in Christ is to trust in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. To obey His commands afterwards is works.
We are commanded to love and love is the mark of those who are born of God (1 John 3:10; 4:7) yet keep in mind that we are not justified by works of the law but by faith in Christ (Galatians 2:16). Nobody has perfectly obeyed the 2 great commandments in Matthew 22:37-40 (except for Jesus).
Of course not. What is God's will for us AFTER we have been saved through faith?--(not an exhaustive list)--1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Without faith it's impossible to please God, so apart from faith in Christ, our sin remains, so in God's eyes, we are either the righteousness of God through faith in Him (Philippians 3:9) or workers of iniquity/those who practice lawlessness/evil doers (Matthew 7:23). It's one or the other.
Which command? To believe in Christ is to trust in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. To obey His commands afterwards is works.
We are commanded to love and love is the mark of those who are born of God (1 John 3:10; 4:7) yet keep in mind that we are not justified by works of the law but by faith in Christ (Galatians 2:16). Nobody has perfectly obeyed the 2 great commandments in Matthew 22:37-40 (except for Jesus).
We judge by faith, also mean we judge by the fruit of faith
let go back to Matt 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
we judge by what ever you did for one of the least .
Sound like we judge by work
sound like real faith always produce work
let go back to Matt 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
we judge by what ever you did for one of the least .
Sound like we judge by work
sound like real faith always produce work
Real faith always produces works. After a casual reading of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-46), these verses "on the surface" may seem to suggest that salvation is the result of good works. All Scripture proves itself right and non-contradictory when compared with the totality of Scripture.
This passage has to be taken alongside the whole of Scripture. Jesus was not advocating salvation by works. That would be contrary to Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5 etc... One's works are an effect of (and therefore indication of) one's salvation status, rather than being a cause of one's salvation. This is not performance based salvation, but salvation based performance.
The good deeds mentioned in Matthew 25:35-36 are merely the fruit that will be manifest in the lives of the redeemed. Those who are placed at Christ's right hand are not there based on the merits of their good deeds, but because Christ imputed His righteousness to them (Romans 4:2-6; Philippians 3:9). When works are mentioned in connection with salvation, the works are always the result of, not the condition of, receiving salvation. The stress is on works as a manifestation of one's faith (or lack thereof), not simply on the faith from which these works follow.
So it is understandable that in this context, Matthew would stress the works that are a manifestation of "faith by which one receives eternal life." Notice how love for other Christians is an indication of one's salvation status: 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
He who practices righteousness and loves his brother does so BECAUSE he is "of God" not to become of God. 1 John 3:14 - We know that we have (past tense) passed from death to life, because we love our brothers (present tense). Loving our brothers is the result of, not the condition of passing from death to life.
This passage has to be taken alongside the whole of Scripture. Jesus was not advocating salvation by works. That would be contrary to Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5 etc... One's works are an effect of (and therefore indication of) one's salvation status, rather than being a cause of one's salvation. This is not performance based salvation, but salvation based performance.
The good deeds mentioned in Matthew 25:35-36 are merely the fruit that will be manifest in the lives of the redeemed. Those who are placed at Christ's right hand are not there based on the merits of their good deeds, but because Christ imputed His righteousness to them (Romans 4:2-6; Philippians 3:9). When works are mentioned in connection with salvation, the works are always the result of, not the condition of, receiving salvation. The stress is on works as a manifestation of one's faith (or lack thereof), not simply on the faith from which these works follow.
So it is understandable that in this context, Matthew would stress the works that are a manifestation of "faith by which one receives eternal life." Notice how love for other Christians is an indication of one's salvation status: 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
He who practices righteousness and loves his brother does so BECAUSE he is "of God" not to become of God. 1 John 3:14 - We know that we have (past tense) passed from death to life, because we love our brothers (present tense). Loving our brothers is the result of, not the condition of passing from death to life.