Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 130
Like Tree195Likes

Bible Discussion Forum

Ask (or answer) Bible questions here. Join or start a Bible discussion now!

Thread: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

  1. #1
    Senior Member joaniemarie's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 4th, 2017
    Age
    59
    Posts
    1,952
    Rep Power
    92

    Default WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    Mark 11:24
    - AUGUST 12 -
    WHAT DO YOU SEE?




    A blind lady was led to a great healing evangelist for prayer. After he had prayed for her, he asked her, “Now, tell me what you see.” She opened her eyes only to be told, “Close your eyes. Tell me what you see.” She opened her eyes again only to be told, “I didn’t say to open your eyes. I asked you what you saw. Close your eyes! Now, tell me what you see.”

    This went on for a while, until the lady realized that the evangelist was asking her what she saw on the inside. Did she see herself seeing? When she understood that, she said, “I see myself with sight.” Then, the evangelist told her, “Now, slowly open your eyes.” That moment, she opened her eyes to perfect vision!

    When you prayed just now, what did you see inside you? Were you praying for someone’s healing, but seeing that person in a coffin? Were you praying for a financial breakthrough, but seeing the banks pursuing you till you were bankrupt?

    You see, you don’t get what you pray for. You get what you believe you receive when you pray. Jesus said, “Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.”

    Beloved, “whatever things” covers your every need. And believing that you receive them comes before having them. Jesus once told a centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” The centurion’s servant was healed that same hour. (Matthew 8:13) The centurion believed that he received his miracle even before he saw it in the natural.

    So when you pray, what do you really believe and see on the inside?

    “Well, Pastor Prince, I really can’t see it.”

    Then don’t pray yet. Change your vision on the inside first. Start seeing yourself with the answer. See yourself healed. See yourself living in the bigger house that you need. See yourself enjoying more than enough. When you can see it and believe it, then pray in faith, and you will have whatever you ask for!

    Destined To Reign Devotional for Aug.12

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 13th, 2017
    Age
    69
    Posts
    2,359
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=joaniemarie;3234689]
    Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    Mark 11:24


    This is a good teaching. I realizeothers will disagree but it lines up.

  3. #3
    Persuaded
    Guest

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Denadii;3234697]
    Quote Originally Posted by joaniemarie View Post
    Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    Mark 11:24


    This is a good teaching. I realizeothers will disagree but it lines up.
    Only if it is God's will.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 13th, 2017
    Age
    69
    Posts
    2,359
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Persuaded;3234704]
    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post

    Only if it is God's will.
    So....Did you read the verse above? Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    Mark 11:24 So....What do you think is God's will? If you don't know, read the verse again.
    peacefulbeliever likes this.

  5. #5
    Persuaded
    Guest

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Denadii;3234706]
    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    So....Did you read the verse above? Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    Mark 11:24 So....What do you think is God's will? If you don't know, read the verse again.
    Yep, read it clearly.

    Only if it is God's will.
    Miri, pottersclay and oldethennew like this.

  6. #6
    Senior Member joaniemarie's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 4th, 2017
    Age
    59
    Posts
    1,952
    Rep Power
    92

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    This is the way I've learned to pray. Changing my mind about how God actually does answer prayer. Mark 11:24 says whatever things you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them. I never understood that before in my Christian life and wondered why it was in the Bible because it never worked that way for me or the people I knew and heard about. We always begged and cried and hoped that God might answer our prayers. If we were good enough., worthy enough., did it just right enough. But here it is right in the Bible clear as day. whatever things you ask when you pray BELIEVE that you will receive them, and you will have them. Those are not my words nor the way I see it work in life. But I can't change the words because it didn't work out that way in my life or anyone elses.

    It comes into the process of having our minds changed to believe His promises and act on them. Find out what His promises are and regardless of what is going on to the right of us and to the left of us... I will instead... look straight forward unto Jesus.

    Should I think of Joni Ericson Tada when I pray? Should I think of C.S. Lewis when I pray? How about Charles Spurgeon? Do any of those saints walk my Christian walk for me? Do they uphold Jesus for me?

    I will do as the Bible says and not do as fellow humans do. I can't afford to live my life according to the experiences of other mere men and woman. I have to live in relationship to the Author and finisher of my faith and Him alone. Reading His Word and not looking to the left or to the right.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 13th, 2017
    Age
    69
    Posts
    2,359
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Persuaded;3234708]
    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post

    Yep, read it clearly.

    Only if it is God's will.
    THe verse does not say that...You do. The verse says "You shall have them." That's Gods will.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    November 12th, 2015
    Age
    53
    Posts
    5,692
    Blog Entries
    1
    Rep Power
    146

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    There are verses in tension though too. They say, you do not receive because you do not ask God. Okay, got it. But then it goes on to further say, or you don't receive what you ask for because you ask for the wrong reason, with the wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasures.

    This is what I don't like about WOF leaning. They seem to me to ignore the verses in tension to the ones they champion.

    So to take the verse from Mark 11:24 - if you believe you receive them you will have them, needs to be taken together with -you don't receive what you ask for because you pray with wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasure.

    I have listened to some very edifying sermons from Prince, but I think it is error to teach this as he does right here in this devotional. He hasn't covered the verses "in tension to."
    PennEd, Grace777x70, 20 and 3 others like this.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    November 22nd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    20,437
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    I agree with the principle of "seeing" as in looking unto Jesus - the Author and Finisher of faith. There is a spiritual correlation between "seeing and knowing."

    We must "see" the promises of God in Christ Jesus as "Yes and Amen" in Him. How do we see these things? By our inner man in Christ and in the renewing of our minds - this allows us to operate from our whole heart.

    I once heard a teaching about this verse in Mark 11:24 that resonated with my spirit.

    Pray means a "face to face meeting." When we are in our face to face meeting with the Father - He will birth the desires that we ask for and in believing in these desires when we ask for them - we will receive them - in His timing.

    This stops the foolishness of people looking at this verse with a natural mind where they could think - "I ask for a billion dollars or ( God forbid ) someone else's spouse".

    Only what is birthed from our "face to face meetings" with our Father is what the true desires when asked for will manifest in our lives.

    They are really His desires within us being birthed in us because we are one spirit with the Lord and the Father by means of the Holy Spirit. For is it God who is at work in us - both - to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 13th, 2017
    Age
    69
    Posts
    2,359
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by joaniemarie View Post
    This is the way I've learned to pray. Changing my mind about how God actually does answer prayer. Mark 11:24 says whatever things you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them. I never understood that before in my Christian life and wondered why it was in the Bible because it never worked that way for me or the people I knew and heard about. We always begged and cried and hoped that God might answer our prayers. If we were good enough., worthy enough., did it just right enough. But here it is right in the Bible clear as day. whatever things you ask when you pray BELIEVE that you will receive them, and you will have them. Those are not my words nor the way I see it work in life. But I can't change the words because it didn't work out that way in my life or anyone elses.

    It comes into the process of having our minds changed to believe His promises and act on them. Find out what His promises are and regardless of what is going on to the right of us and to the left of us... I will instead... look straight forward unto Jesus.

    Should I think of Joni Ericson Tada when I pray? Should I think of C.S. Lewis when I pray? How about Charles Spurgeon? Do any of those saints walk my Christian walk for me? Do they uphold Jesus for me?

    I will do as the Bible says and not do as fellow humans do. I can't afford to live my life according to the experiences of other mere men and woman. I have to live in relationship to the Author and finisher of my faith and Him alone. Reading His Word and not looking to the left or to the right.
    You pray Gods Word. If you pray Gods Word, you know that you are praying in His will, so then if you are praying His will, you KNOW that you have what you asked for. Not all Christians believe Gods Word though. They seem to feel the need to add to it.
    Grace777x70 likes this.

  11. #11
    Persuaded
    Guest

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Denadii;3234712]
    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    THe verse does not say that...You do. The verse says "You shall have them." That's Gods will.
    So if I pray that I will win the lottery and believe it , I will win.
    Miri, pottersclay and oldethennew like this.

  12. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    November 22nd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    20,437
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    There are verses in tension though too. They say, you do not receive because you do not ask God. Okay, got it. But then it goes on to further say, or you don't receive what you ask for because you ask for the wrong reason, with the wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasures.

    This is what I don't like about WOF leaning. They seem to me to ignore the verses in tension to the ones they champion.

    So to take the verse from Mark 11:24 - if you believe you receive them you will have them, needs to be taken together with -you don't receive what you ask for because you pray with wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasure.

    I have listened to some very edifying sermons from Prince, but I think it is error to teach this as he does right here in this devotional. He hasn't covered the verses "in tension to."
    I agree that there is a "tension" in this truth as well as most truth. The problem with devotionals is that they can't include all there is to the other aspects of things when trying to just get across one aspect of truth at a time. The devotionals would take over an hour to read - maybe more.

    This is why full and multiple teaching sessions are useful in order to get the other aspects into play and then add those to the piece of the other aspects of truth.

    That's the way I view devotionals - just short bits of encouragement in a small area at a time.
    Last edited by Grace777x70; August 12th, 2017 at 10:34 PM.

  13. #13
    Senior Member joaniemarie's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 4th, 2017
    Age
    59
    Posts
    1,952
    Rep Power
    92

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    And this is not easy to do in the flesh because much of our minds do not know the will of God. Most of us don't have our minds changed to the degree they need to be. Most of us are experiencing weakness in our flesh and by that we have settled in and gone no further. But then I look to the grace factor of our lives as believers. Jesus died on the cross and gifted us with life eternal and His righteousness.

    There is a process to faith. We "learn" to walk by faith and not by sight. We learn to believe first and then expect to see.
    This takes TIME. Unfortunately the Word of God isn't downloaded into my brain so I can know it all and act on it all. It takes time for me to read and learn how. So I will keep on in the process and He has been faithful and shown me and taught me He WILL BE FAITHFUL. Amen!




  14. #14
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 13th, 2017
    Age
    69
    Posts
    2,359
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Persuaded;3234718]
    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post

    So if I pray that I will win the lottery and believe it , I will win.
    Hmmm Somebody said you were able to display more intelligence than that. You have a need, find scriptures that address that need, pray those scriptures and hang on to them. Ah...Read post #10

  15. #15
    Senior Member joaniemarie's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 4th, 2017
    Age
    59
    Posts
    1,952
    Rep Power
    92

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    There are verses in tension though too. They say, you do not receive because you do not ask God. Okay, got it. But then it goes on to further say, or you don't receive what you ask for because you ask for the wrong reason, with the wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasures.

    This is what I don't like about WOF leaning. They seem to me to ignore the verses in tension to the ones they champion.

    So to take the verse from Mark 11:24 - if you believe you receive them you will have them, needs to be taken together with -you don't receive what you ask for because you pray with wrong motives, to fulfill your pleasure.

    I have listened to some very edifying sermons from Prince, but I think it is error to teach this as he does right here in this devotional. He hasn't covered the verses "in tension to."


    I hear what you are saying StunnedbyGrace and there are answers to those tensions you speak of. We can't overlook or totally ignore those things you mentioned and I asked the same questions too and have been blessed to find the answers.

    None of it can be covered in a few sentences but there are major principles here to consider that make sense and don't leave loopholes nor does His Word leave us hanging out there alone when we believed and trusted Him. The truth will attach to other Bible truths as well as previous ways we have walked by faith and the new ways we are learning to walk by faith. I am headed out to work but will get back here later.

  16. #16
    Senior Member joaniemarie's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 4th, 2017
    Age
    59
    Posts
    1,952
    Rep Power
    92

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I agree that there is a "tension" in this truth as well as most truth. The problem with devotionals is that they can't include all there is to the other aspects of things when trying to just get across one aspect of truth at a time. The devotionals would take over an hour to read - maybe more.

    This is why full and multiple teaching sessions are useful in order to get the other aspects into play and then add those to the piece of the other aspects of truth.

    That's the way I view devotionals - just short bits of encouragement in a small area at a time.


    ​Well said as usual Bruce.. be back later.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    November 12th, 2015
    Age
    53
    Posts
    5,692
    Blog Entries
    1
    Rep Power
    146

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I agree that there is a "tension" in this truth as well as most truth. The problem with devotionals is that they can't include all there is to the other aspects of things when trying to just get across one aspect of truth at a time. The devotionals would take over an hour to read - maybe more.

    This is why full and multiple teaching sessions are useful in order to get the other aspects into play and then add those to the piece of the other aspects of truth.

    That's the way I view devotionals - just short bits of encouragement in a small area at a time.
    If you run across one of his sermons where he covers both aspects, kindly post it for me? If I could hear him address the nonsense people get into in prayer and why, I might be able to calm down about Joseph.

  18. #18
    Persuaded
    Guest

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    [QUOTE=Denadii;3234729]
    Quote Originally Posted by Persuaded View Post
    Hmmm Somebody said you were able to display more intelligence than that. You have a need, find scriptures that address that need, pray those scriptures and hang on to them. Ah...Read post #10
    So now we can agree.
    If we pray for our NEED.
    That is much different than praying for what we want.
    God wants us to have all we need. That is His will, but not always what we want.
    Stunnedbygrace likes this.

  19. #19
    Banned
    Join Date
    November 22nd, 2015
    Age
    62
    Posts
    20,437
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Quote Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
    If you run across one of his sermons where he covers both aspects, kindly post it for me? If I could hear him address the nonsense people get into in prayer and why, I might be able to calm down about Joseph.

    I have heard this talked about by him in full length messages in the past but I haven't listened to him much in the last few years as the Lord has me focusing on other areas so none are at the top of my mind right now.

    Different people have different purposes and emphasis in the body of Christ because of the anointing that is within them to teach in certain areas.

    I don't agree with what any minister or denomination says about every subject but they might have a piece of what is missing for me so I don't trash them as this will stop me from "hearing" what is of God within them.

    But if anything comes to my remembrance - I'll let you know....
    ..

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    November 12th, 2015
    Age
    53
    Posts
    5,692
    Blog Entries
    1
    Rep Power
    146

    Default Re: WHAT DO YOU SEE???

    Hey joanie and G7!
    I know not everything can be covered in a short devotional. But this is a matter where people get up to a lot of nonsense in, and as a preacher, I'm sure he's heard the nonsense and seen the nonsense. So it seems to me he would be more careful to slip in that prayer is not about fulfilling pleasures but rather needs. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. It would help if I could hear a complete sermon on the matter by him.
    Grace777x70 and joaniemarie like this.

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast