Who is greater Abraham or God?

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TruthisPower

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Hello everyone,

I can safely say God is the greater one and I hope all would agree. But I would like to ask a couple of questions. There is a saying God is the greater Abraham and why? Can anyone explain what these two have in common? and why did God ask Abraham to "sacrifice" his "Only Begotten Son"?
 
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TruthisPower said:
Hello everyone,

I can safely say God is the greater one and I hope all would agree. But I would like to ask a couple of questions. There is a saying God is the greater Abraham and why? Can anyone explain what these two have in common? and why did God ask Abraham to "sacrifice" his "Only Begotten Son"?
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Abraham was the father of many nations,God is the father of all nations including God's kingdom in heaven,in a manner of speaking.
 
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Abraham was the father of many nations,God is the father of all nations including God's kingdom in heaven,in a manner of speaking.
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I say "in a manner of speaking" because as a member named Ugly pointed out before not all are God's children depending upon which master an individual serves,there are but two choices,serve God or serve satan,so though in my view God is everyone's one true father,I must take into the account that eventually everyone makes a choice in masters.
 
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TruthisPower

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I agree with you.

They are both father of the nations.

What correlation does God have in asking Abraham to sacrifice his Only Begotten Son?
 
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TruthisPower

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Noone, because Abraham had two sons.
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Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begottenson” even though Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1,2 1Ch1:28,32)God’s covenant, however, was established only through Isaac, Abraham’s onlyson by God’s promise, as well as the onlyson of Sarah.(Ge17:16-19)Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the onlyson in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household. Ge22:2.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, as good as offered up Isaac—the man who had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up his only-begotten son
 
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TruthisPower said:
Hello everyone,

I can safely say God is the greater one and I hope all would agree. But I would like to ask a couple of questions. There is a saying God is the greater Abraham and why? Can anyone explain what these two have in common?
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well the saying is wrong.


and why did God ask Abraham to "sacrifice" his "Only Begotten Son"?
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for the same reason as He might ask me to offer my only begotten son. To test him out.
 
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Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested,+ as good as offered up Isaac—the man who had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up his only-begotten son
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Can you tell me why do you use Jehovah Witness translation of the Bible?
 
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TruthisPower said:
Paul referred to Isaac as Abraham’s “only-begottenson” (Heb 11:17)
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Yes, that was his only son at THAT TIME. Context was referring to this time alone, that is when Abraham only had one son...

It didn't include the below and your attempt to tie them together is attempting to make the Scripture above support you. It doesn't.


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Abraham also fathered Ishmael by Hagar as well as several sons by Keturah. (Ge 16:15; 25:1, 2; 1Ch 1:28, 32)
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God’s covenant, however, was established
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only through Isaac, Abraham’s onlyson by God’s promise, as well as the onlyson of Sarah. (Ge 17:16-19) Furthermore, at the time Abraham offered up Isaac, he was the onlyson in his father’s household. No sons had yet been born to Keturah, and Ishmael had been gone for some 20 years—no doubt was married and head of his own household. Ge 22:2.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested,+ as good as offered up Isaac—the man who had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up his only-begotten son
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There you go, this puts Hebrews in perspective an d context.
 
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trofimus said:
Can you tell me why do you use Jehovah Witness translation of the Bible?
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It's been a few years since he has been on here. Maybe watchtower nabbed him while he was on vacation.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Yes, that was his only son at THAT TIME. Context was referring to this time alone, that is when Abraham only had one son...

It didn't include the below and your attempt to tie them together is attempting to make the Scripture above support you. It doesn't.



There you go, this puts Hebrews in perspective an d context.
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I would even say that the translation "only begotten son" even though technically possible, is a wrong one,here.

The word "unique" should be used, imho.

3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, "one-and-only" and 1085 /génos, "offspring, stock") – properly, one-and-only; "one of a kind" – literally, "one (monos) of a class, genos" (the only of its kind).
 
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