The Real Biblical Replacement Theology

[Locutus]

Psalm 102:12 - 22:

But You, O LORD, abide forever, And Your name to all generations. You will arise and have compassion on Zion; For it is time to be gracious to her, For the appointed time has come. Surely Your servants find pleasure in her stones And feel pity for her dust.

So the nations will fear the name of the LORD And all the kings of the earth Your glory. For the LORD has built up Zion; He has appeared in His glory. He has regarded the prayer of the destitute And has not despised their prayer.

This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.

For He looked down from His holy height; From heaven the LORD gazed upon the earth, o hear the groaning of the prisoner, to set free those who were doomed to death.

That men may tell of the name of the LORD in Zion and His praise in Jerusalem, When the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

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This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD

This ties in exactly with what Isaiah said:

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, and the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

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The above is a fatal blow to the dispen-sensational claim that the "church" is never found in the Old Testament, and that the "church" was "plan B" when the Jew's rejected their Messiah.

 

[Locutus]

Another blow to dis-spentsationalists, is that they claim the "church" was born on Pentecost yet was unknown in the old testament.

But Peter said that all the prophets from Samuel on spoke of the days Peter was living in:

Acts 3:24 And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days.

So Peter says the prophets did prophesy the "church" while the dispensational "theologians" from Darby and his successors onward claim they didn't.

 

[pottersclay]

God having a plan B??¿?? He never fails. Jesus came to fulfill not for go.

 

[Locutus]

You need to let the dispensationlists know that PC.

 

[tanakh]

You need to let the dispensationlists know that PC.

If they dont know it by now they never will. I have been trying to tell them for months that the whole system is a lie but its like hitting a wall. Ive given up trying.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God having a plan B??¿?? He never fails. Jesus came to fulfill not for go.

Well, frankly I have no problem identifying myself as a Dispensationalist, and a proper understanding of Dispensationalism will show you that attempting to foist a "Plan A" and a "Plan B" on Dispensationalists is pure propaganda and nonsense.

While there are prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the salvation of the Gentiles (and even stated in the Abrahamic Covenant), they are such that even the OT prophets did not speak of all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body, and the word "church" will not be found in the OT. As a matter of fact, the apostle Paul explicitly states that in former times the Church was indeed a "mystery" and it was only revealed to him by Christ (Eph 3:1-6):

1For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The gift of the Holy Spirit could only be given when the New Covenant come into existence, and the New Covenant could not come into existence until the Lamb of God has shed His blood for our redemption. That was the day when the temple veil was torn in two, indicating that the way had been opened into the Holy of Holies in Heaven through the blood of Christ. Following that it would be fifty days until the Holy Spirit was poured down upon the earth, and those who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. That is when the Church came into existence. The Gentiles entered into this Body shortly thereafter.

However, there were those who had been saved by grace from Abel until the crucifixion of Christ. These were the OT saints, called "the spirits of just men made perfect", since they could only be taken up to Heaven from Sheol/Hades after the resurrection. Therefore the Holy Spirit -- speaking through Paul in Hebrews, makes a distinction between the OT saints and the NT saints in Heaven. After the Resurrection/Rapture, all the saints will be perfected and glorified and receive immortal bodies. Please note (Heb 12:22-24)

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and [1] to an innumerable company of angels,
23[2] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and [3] to God the Judge of all, and [4] to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And [5] to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and [6] to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[p_rehbein]

Gods Salvation Plan was established "from the beginning."

If anyone honestly thinks God needs a "plan B" or some such, well..............not much to say about that is there?

How can any reasonable person actually believe God "called an audible" and decided to have Christ be crucified as the Perfect Sacrifice for all sins, for all time? It boggles the mind to think that folks actually do...........sigh

 

[J7]

Tripe.

God promised Abraham to make him a people, (tribal Israel), and a congregation of people, (the Church).
There was never any prohibition on non DNA Israelites joining Israel.

Refute me, or be silent and stop peddling lies from the gutter.

Well, frankly I have no problem identifying myself as a Dispensationalist, and a proper understanding of Dispensationalism will show you that attempting to foist a "Plan A" and a "Plan B" on Dispensationalists is pure propaganda and nonsense.

While there are prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the salvation of the Gentiles (and even stated in the Abrahamic Covenant), they are such that even the OT prophets did not speak of all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body, and the word "church" will not be found in the OT. As a matter of fact, the apostle Paul explicitly states that in former times the Church was indeed a "mystery" and it was only revealed to him by Christ (Eph 3:1-6):

1For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The gift of the Holy Spirit could only be given when the New Covenant come into existence, and the New Covenant could not come into existence until the Lamb of God has shed His blood for our redemption. That was the day when the temple veil was torn in two, indicating that the way had been opened into the Holy of Holies in Heaven through the blood of Christ. Following that it would be fifty days until the Holy Spirit was poured down upon the earth, and those who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. That is when the Church came into existence. The Gentiles entered into this Body shortly thereafter.

However, there were those who had been saved by grace from Abel until the crucifixion of Christ. These were the OT saints, called "the spirits of just men made perfect", since they could only be taken up to Heaven from Sheol/Hades after the resurrection. Therefore the Holy Spirit -- speaking through Paul in Hebrews, makes a distinction between the OT saints and the NT saints in Heaven. After the Resurrection/Rapture, all the saints will be perfected and glorified and receive immortal bodies. Please note (Heb 12:22-24)

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and [1] to an innumerable company of angels,
23[2] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and [3] to God the Judge of all, and [4] to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And [5] to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and [6] to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[graceNpeace]

Tripe.

God promised Abraham to make him a people, (tribal Israel), and a congregation of people, (the Church).
There was never any prohibition on non DNA Israelites joining Israel.

Refute me, or be silent and stop peddling lies from the gutter.

True in principle but rare as hen's teeth in practice...

 

[loveme1]

The Almighty is a million steps ahead... Trust and love Him always.

Things come to pass for the Harvest..

Clay formed by the Potter can not know all things unless the Potter wants it to be so... at this time the clay would explode or faint with fear.. so must humble itself and be Faithful always.

The Truth is given not solved.

 

[J7]

The word solve comes from the Latin solvare, meaning to loosen, to untie, to unfasten.

The Church actually is mandated by Christ to unloosen, (reveal), and to knot up.

Matthew 16 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he sternly ordered the disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

 

[John146]

Psalm 102:12 - 22:

But You, O LORD, abide forever, And Your name to all generations. You will arise and have compassion on Zion; For it is time to be gracious to her, For the appointed time has come. Surely Your servants find pleasure in her stones And feel pity for her dust.

So the nations will fear the name of the LORD And all the kings of the earth Your glory. For the LORD has built up Zion; He has appeared in His glory. He has regarded the prayer of the destitute And has not despised their prayer.

This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.

For He looked down from His holy height; From heaven the LORD gazed upon the earth, o hear the groaning of the prisoner, to set free those who were doomed to death.

That men may tell of the name of the LORD in Zion and His praise in Jerusalem, When the peoples are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

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This will be written for the generation to come,That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD

This ties in exactly with what Isaiah said:

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, and the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

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The above is a fatal blow to the dispen-sensational claim that the "church" is never found in the Old Testament, and that the "church" was "plan B" when the Jew's rejected their Messiah.

The NT church is the body of Christ as defined by Paul and one enters the body of Christ through the gospel of Jesus Christ, the death, burial and resurrection for sin. The OT saints were not "looking forward to the cross" as some believe. The OT saints were not born again, made new creatures in Christ, redeemed by the blood of Jesus, absent from the body and present with the Lord, or spiritually circumcised from their flesh. Their own individual faith brought them justification which was demonstrated by their obedience. One's faith and obedience could only attain Abraham's bosom until the resurrection and deliverance of those in captivity. After the resurrection, Christ's faith is what justifies the believer and Christ's faith was demonstrated by His obedience unto death, even the death of the cross.

Btw, everyone on this board is a dispensationalist to one degree or another whether they think so or not.

 

[valiant]

True in principle but rare as hen's teeth in practice...

Your hen's must have powerful teeth. What about the Edomites, and the Galilean Gentiles? What about the large number of proselytes that came to Christ under Paul and the larger number that didn't?..

 

[valiant]

The NT church is the body of Christ as defined by Paul and one enters the body of Christ through the gospel of Jesus Christ, the death, burial and resurrection for sin.

That is the NT church

The OT saints were not "looking forward to the cross" as some believe. The OT saints were not born again, made new creatures in Christ, redeemed by the blood of Jesus, absent from the body and present with the Lord, or spiritually circumcised from their flesh.

But they were!!!! They called it circumcised at heart.

Their own individual faith brought them justification which was demonstrated by their obedience.

The church (ecclesia) is mentioned in the OT. Both Old and New Testament saints were justified by their individual faith and brought into the body of Christ,

One's faith and obedience could only attain Abraham's bosom until the resurrection and deliverance of those in captivity.

They were justified by FAITH as we are. And all await in Abraham's bosom for the resurrection.

After the resurrection, Christ's faith is what justifies the believer and Christ's faith was demonstrated by His obedience unto death, even the death of the cross.

Lol . Study Greek,

Btw, everyone on this board is a dispensationalist to one degree or another whether they think so or not.

Well I'm not. God has used the same methods from the beginning,

 

[John146]

The church (ecclesia) is mentioned in the OT. Both Old and New Testament saints were justified by their individual faith and brought into the body of Christ,

They were justified by FAITH as we are. And all await in Abraham's bosom for the resurrection.

Lol . Study Greek,

Well I'm not. God has used the same methods from the beginning,

The NT church is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16, 20; Romans 3:21-23; Philippians 3:9

When the NT believer dies, he or she goes to be with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:6-9

Don't care about Greek, I've got the real deal in English.

 

[Muzungu256]

There was never any prohibition on non DNA Israelites joining Israel.

Refute me, or be silent and stop peddling lies from the gutter.

he never said there was prohibition to join israel lol................

 

[Snoozy]

The NT church is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16, 20; Romans 3:21-23; Philippians 3:9

When the NT believer dies, he or she goes to be with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:6-9

Don't care about Greek, I've got the real deal in English.

yes. be careful when they take u to da greek. its a red flag, these guys dont even speak the greek language and would be lost in greece. u can make it say what u want. i stick with my king james bible, its easy to understand and its true. no verses missing and no doubt.

 

[garee]

The NT church is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16, 20; Romans 3:21-23; Philippians 3:9

When the NT believer dies, he or she goes to be with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:6-9

Don't care about Greek, I've got the real deal in English.

No different then the OT bride of Christ the church.There are not two brides, two gospels.

 

[Snoozy]

it is true everyone should recognize there are dispensations in the bible. God dealt differently during noah's day than moses'. and again different in Jesus' day. if u dont realize that when God says Israel He means Israel and not da church u will forever be misinterpreting and screwing up ur bible study its a waste of time even if u study for 80 years u will be stuck thinking da mount of olives splitting in zech 14 means gospel spreading through da church or something crazy like that.

u guys who oppose dispensations are vehemently against animal sacrifices well if there are no dispensations and nothing changes why arent u still doing them? i thought u are israel, why dont u move to tha holy land??

replacement theology is a false teaching i think. its catholic teaching, thats why they persecuted the jews everywhere. if they can wipe out the jews they make God a liar thats why the devil tries to kill them so much through false christians and everyone else.
i disprove replacement theology quickly using the bible:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

[garee]

Well, frankly I have no problem identifying myself as a Dispensationalist, and a proper understanding of Dispensationalism will show you that attempting to foist a "Plan A" and a "Plan B" on Dispensationalists is pure propaganda and nonsense.

While there are prophecies in the Old Testament concerning the salvation of the Gentiles (and even stated in the Abrahamic Covenant), they are such that even the OT prophets did not speak of all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body, and the word "church" will not be found in the OT. As a matter of fact, the apostle Paul explicitly states that in former times the Church was indeed a "mystery" and it was only revealed to him by Christ (Eph 3:1-6):

1For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The gift of the Holy Spirit could only be given when the New Covenant come into existence, and the New Covenant could not come into existence until the Lamb of God has shed His blood for our redemption. That was the day when the temple veil was torn in two, indicating that the way had been opened into the Holy of Holies in Heaven through the blood of Christ. Following that it would be fifty days until the Holy Spirit was poured down upon the earth, and those who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. That is when the Church came into existence. The Gentiles entered into this Body shortly thereafter.

However, there were those who had been saved by grace from Abel until the crucifixion of Christ. These were the OT saints, called "the spirits of just men made perfect", since they could only be taken up to Heaven from Sheol/Hades after the resurrection. Therefore the Holy Spirit -- speaking through Paul in Hebrews, makes a distinction between the OT saints and the NT saints in Heaven. After the Resurrection/Rapture, all the saints will be perfected and glorified and receive immortal bodies. Please note (Heb 12:22-24)

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and [1] to an innumerable company of angels,
23[2] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and [3] to God the Judge of all, and [4] to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And [5] to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and [6] to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The OT saints were "looking forward to the cross" as we are informed by the scriptures.

The new generation is the generation of Christ. In Adam all die .In Christ His bride the church (beleivers) live.

What we will be is not what we already are. We are no longer considered male or female Jew or Gentile. Memebers of the bride of Christ the church began with Abel in whom God had mercy. His blood cries out to this day as a witness to the work of our bloody husband.

He has one plan (A thru Z) to have mercy on whom he has mercy. Form the beginning scripture witnesses that Christ our husband has come to prepare a bride to be with Him forever. The Bible is not about Jews that have not the Spirit of Christ ,the one seed any more than that one seed is about Genetiles. God puts no difernce between them purfying the hearts of all men by a work of His faith

He does not hide His bride by not mentioning the church His bride. And the idea that his bride on the other side of the other cross did not have the Holy Spirit is not a biblical principle. They received the end of their faith just as any sinner that has had its heart purified

Receiving the end of your faith, even "the salvation of your souls". Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of "time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1:11

The Old testament saints simply looked ahead to the time of reformation using the ceremonial laws to point to the suffering of Christ before hand and the glory that did follow. The first resurrection when their graves were opened and in their new spirit entered Zion prepared as His bride the church.

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time" of reformation.


Dispensatioinalist would have others believe the "time" of reformation proving the Old Tstement saints did have the Spirit of Christ, the Holy anointing Spirit of God has not come .