What Age are we in?

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Locutus

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Mat 13:39 (Young's) and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers

Jesus tells us that the harvest was to be at the end of the age - when was the end of the age and what age was Jesus living in?

1 Co 2:7 (Young's) but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory,

1 Co 2:8 (Young's) which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified.

Paul is stating in the above that the "rulers" of the age he was living in crucified the Lord of Glory

So who are the "rulers" Paul is speaking of - some claim that the Romans were the crucifiers of Christ for it was they that placed him on the cross.

But both Peter and Paul place the ultimate blame on the Jews and especially the Jewish rulers.

Act 3:15 (Young's) and the Prince of the life ye did kill, whom God did raise out of the dead, of which we are witnesses;

Act 3:17 (Young's) And now, brethren, I have known that through ignorance ye did it, as also your rulers

The Greek word "archon" is translated as rulers in the above and in 1 Cor 2:8.


So for the Jewish nation the rulers of "this age" were the Temple leaders and Sanhedrin.

When did the age of this rule end?

It ended with war of 66-70 AD - the temple went *poof* along with the rulers of that age.

What this means is we are now in the age of Messiah - the rulers of that age in which Jesus was manifested and killed are long gone:

Heb 9:26 (Young's) since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested.

Jesus promised to be with the apostles in power until the end of the age - this was not a general broadcast message to Christians from then until now:

Mat 28:16 (Young's) And the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them,

Mat 28:18 (Young's) And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, 'Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;

Mat 28:19 (Young's) having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)

Mat 28:28 (Young's) teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with YOU all the days -- till the full end of the age.

The ministry of the Apostles was specifically identified with power and signs:

Acts 1:8 but ye shall receive power at the coming of the Holy Spirit upon you, and ye shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and unto the end of the earth.'

2 Co 12:12 (Young's) The signs, indeed, of the apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

The end of "this" age of the Jewish rulers who killed the Lord Jesus ended by 70 AD and Jesus was with the Apostles "till the full end of the age."
 
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more false teachings from this guy. put a leash on him.
so Jesus was only with the apostles until 70??? so you are saying u have no Holy Spirit? Jesus isnt with us today u are saying?
lies and false teachings.

we are now in the times of da gentiles and its drawing to a close. Israel is back in tha land.

next age to come will be after the Lord's return to Jerusalem to end this age. it will be da millennial kingdom where Jesus will rule from Jerusalem and all nations will go to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of tabernacles.
after the 1000 years have passed satan is set loose for a little season, and will gather all da people against the saints but fire will come from heaven and devour them.
Then we will have a new heaven and new earth along with the great white throne judgment where da wicked will be cast into da lake of fire.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.




Read revelation 20 it tells the whole story of the thousand years and great white throne.
 

NayborBear

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Mat 13:39 (Young's) and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers

Jesus tells us that the harvest was to be at the end of the age - when was the end of the age and what age was Jesus living in?

1 Co 2:7 (Young's) but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory,

1 Co 2:8 (Young's) which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified.

Paul is stating in the above that the "rulers" of the age he was living in crucified the Lord of Glory

So who are the "rulers" Paul is speaking of - some claim that the Romans were the crucifiers of Christ for it was they that placed him on the cross.

But both Peter and Paul place the ultimate blame on the Jews and especially the Jewish rulers.

Act 3:15 (Young's) and the Prince of the life ye did kill, whom God did raise out of the dead, of which we are witnesses;

Act 3:17 (Young's) And now, brethren, I have known that through ignorance ye did it, as also your rulers

The Greek word "archon" is translated as rulers in the above and in 1 Cor 2:8.


So for the Jewish nation the rulers of "this age" were the Temple leaders and Sanhedrin.

When did the age of this rule end?

It ended with war of 66-70 AD - the temple went *poof* along with the rulers of that age.

What this means is we are now in the age of Messiah - the rulers of that age in which Jesus was manifested and killed are long gone:

Heb 9:26 (Young's) since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested.

Jesus promised to be with the apostles in power until the end of the age - this was not a general broadcast message to Christians from then until now:

Mat 28:16 (Young's) And the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them,

Mat 28:18 (Young's) And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, 'Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;

Mat 28:19 (Young's) having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)

Mat 28:28 (Young's) teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with YOU all the days -- till the full end of the age.

The ministry of the Apostles was specifically identified with power and signs:

Acts 1:8 but ye shall receive power at the coming of the Holy Spirit upon you, and ye shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and unto the end of the earth.'

2 Co 12:12 (Young's) The signs, indeed, of the apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

The end of "this" age of the Jewish rulers who killed the Lord Jesus ended by 70 AD and Jesus was with the Apostles "till the full end of the age."
the "rulers" referred to were/are(still) "rulers of darkness", which Paul sez we are to "wrestle" with. and, with which the temple "rulers" as well, as the sanhiedron, as the nation of Israel, as a whole did not wrestle to successfully with. ELSTWISE?...They WOULD have seen the King of Glory, for whom He IS!
 

Locutus

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Of course Jesus was only with the apostles to the end of the age, most of then died during the 1st century and prior to the war of 66-70 AD
 

Locutus

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the "rulers" referred to were/are(still) "rulers of darkness", which Paul sez we are to "wrestle" with. and, with which the temple "rulers" as well, as the sanhiedron, as the nation of Israel, as a whole did not wrestle to successfully with. ELSTWISE?...They WOULD have seen the King of Glory, for whom He IS!
Is there an English translation for this?
 

valiant

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more false teachings from this guy. put a leash on him.
so Jesus was only with the apostles until 70??? so you are saying u have no Holy Spirit? Jesus isnt with us today u are saying?
lies and false teachings.

we are now in the times of da gentiles and its drawing to a close. Israel is back in tha land.

next age to come will be after the Lord's return to Jerusalem to end this age. it will be da millennial kingdom where Jesus will rule from Jerusalem and all nations will go to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of tabernacles.
after the 1000 years have passed satan is set loose for a little season, and will gather all da people against the saints but fire will come from heaven and devour them.
Then we will have a new heaven and new earth along with the great white throne judgment where da wicked will be cast into da lake of fire.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.




Read revelation 20 it tells the whole story of the thousand years and great white throne.
Revelation 20 is a recapitulation of what has gone before with Christ and the saints reigning in Heaven
 

Locutus

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John's revelation is based on the words of Christ which were based on the old covenant and the prophets - John is not revealing anything new, rather he was collating and bringing those prophecies into focus.
 
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We are currently at the beginning of the 5th age, Iron mixed with clay. Is why you see "Transhumanism" being promoted alot.
 
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Locutus

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Oh no, not the old Daniels pic again....
 
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Revelation 20 is a recapitulation of what has gone before with Christ and the saints reigning in Heaven
u just made that up didnt u. Jesus will rule on EARTH for that thousand years with da saints.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

there u see the fulfillment of this:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
 
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Oh no, not the old Daniels pic again....
You asked what age we are in & theres your answer. If your going to refuse what others say & hold on to your personal beliefs why bother asking
 
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Mat 13:39 (Young's) and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is a full end of the age, and the reapers are messengers

Jesus tells us that the harvest was to be at the end of the age - when was the end of the age and what age was Jesus living in?

1 Co 2:7 (Young's) but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory,

1 Co 2:8 (Young's) which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified.

Paul is stating in the above that the "rulers" of the age he was living in crucified the Lord of Glory

So who are the "rulers" Paul is speaking of - some claim that the Romans were the crucifiers of Christ for it was they that placed him on the cross.

But both Peter and Paul place the ultimate blame on the Jews and especially the Jewish rulers.

Act 3:15 (Young's) and the Prince of the life ye did kill, whom God did raise out of the dead, of which we are witnesses;

Act 3:17 (Young's) And now, brethren, I have known that through ignorance ye did it, as also your rulers

The Greek word "archon" is translated as rulers in the above and in 1 Cor 2:8.


So for the Jewish nation the rulers of "this age" were the Temple leaders and Sanhedrin.

When did the age of this rule end?

It ended with war of 66-70 AD - the temple went *poof* along with the rulers of that age.

What this means is we are now in the age of Messiah - the rulers of that age in which Jesus was manifested and killed are long gone:

Heb 9:26 (Young's) since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested.

Jesus promised to be with the apostles in power until the end of the age - this was not a general broadcast message to Christians from then until now:

Mat 28:16 (Young's) And the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them,

Mat 28:18 (Young's) And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, 'Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;

Mat 28:19 (Young's) having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)

Mat 28:28 (Young's) teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with YOU all the days -- till the full end of the age.

The ministry of the Apostles was specifically identified with power and signs:

Acts 1:8 but ye shall receive power at the coming of the Holy Spirit upon you, and ye shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and unto the end of the earth.'

2 Co 12:12 (Young's) The signs, indeed, of the apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

The end of "this" age of the Jewish rulers who killed the Lord Jesus ended by 70 AD and Jesus was with the Apostles "till the full end of the age."
There are two generations as beginnings of what we call Genesis's shown by the plural form .(generations ,they,) One seen the temporal, and the other coming not seen the faith principle the eternal


Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The generation of Adam called the generation of evil or generation of men (flesh) as those who walk by sight. And the generation of Christ in which all of Christ in Christ live forever. Those who mix faith in what they see or hear.


The geanology of generation of Man. (flesh)

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.



The generation of Christ began when the geanolgy was completed or made perfect (Spirit)

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


The full end of age the last day when the new comes around the moutain.
 
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I'm starting to think I'm approaching old age.
 
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Dispensations:
1. Age of Innocence = 40 Days Adam and Eve (lasted 40 days)?
2. Age of Conscience = 1600 Years (lasted up to the time of Noah)
3. Age of Government = 400 Years (from Noah to Abraham)
4. Age of Promise = 400 Years ( took man closer to God)
5. Age of Law = 1500 Years (from Moses to Christ)
6. Age of Grace = 2000 Years (living in now)
7. Age of Righteousness = (The Kingdom Age)
8. Perfect Age = Forever = (will last forever and forever)
 

Locutus

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You asked what age we are in & theres your answer. If your going to refuse what others say & hold on to your personal beliefs why bother asking
The pic tells me nothing other than you are espousing historicist dogma or you are a SD Adventist.
 
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The pic tells me nothing other than you are espousing historicist dogma or you are a SD Adventist.
Aren't you the same person who repeatedly mocked the mark of the beast, yet believe people should take anything you say or believe seriously
 

Huckleberry

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You asked what age we are in & theres your answer.
If your going to refuse what others say & hold on to your personal beliefs why bother asking
He's not asking, he's dissertating in the form of a question.
Popular M.O. around here among "the smart people".
It's basically passive-aggressive click-bait.
Is dissertating a word?
 

Nehemiah6

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It should be clear to all Christians (at least) that we are in the Church Age.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:18-20).

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)
 
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Locutus

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Aren't you the same person who repeatedly mocked the mark of the beast, yet believe people should take anything you say or believe seriously
Must be mixing me up with somebody else.