HG verses HL

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maverich

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I just was reading the post debate or discuss, and i realized the fundamental problem on CC

Favor versus law

about 80 to 90 % of folks in this chat formatt believe that the law is in play, and we demonstrate our holiness by works, kind of the short version

10 to 15% believe we are saved and delivered by Grace, we believe that Jesus is our righteousness

I am amazed on several levels
1 such a large group is afraid of the small group. IE Grace banned from discussion,

2. that so many scholars of the law, can and have destroyed the word of God THE BIBLE,

i said before and will say it again, every word you say or print someone is watching, if one soul is lost due to the pervasive fear in this chat room. WWJD

that is what will he do.

I pretty much done here, go and fight to the death, because in this forum the father of this world is winning
 

Angela53510

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You have misread this forum. In fact, about 90% of people do only believe we are saved by grace. That comes about differently, but most will say, grace through faith.

What is banned here is not grace, but hypergrace. This is a heresy coined by Joseph Prince, of Singapore. He has abandoned the Bible necessity of repentance. It is basically another step of Word Faith, a heresy which ignores basic exegesis and hermeneutical principles. In other words, pulling Scriptures out of context, and also making up things the Bible never says.

Some of us are called to stand up to false doctrine leading people astray. It is why I stay here, even though few listen.
 

Desertsrose

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You have misread this forum. In fact, about 90% of people do only believe we are saved by grace. That comes about differently, but most will say, grace through faith.What is banned here is not grace, but hypergrace. This is a heresy coined by Joseph Prince, of Singapore. He has abandoned the Bible necessity of repentance. It is basically another step of Word Faith, a heresy which ignores basic exegesis and hermeneutical principles. In other words, pulling Scriptures out of context, and also making up things the Bible never says.Some of us are called to stand up to false doctrine leading people astray. It is why I stay here, even though few listen.

Hi Angela,

If it is banned, HG that is, then why are there people who are teaching it here?

Why are they allowed to post devotionals and post quotes from these false teachers? It makes no sense that it's banned and yet it's allowed.

And thanks for sticking around. ;)
 

Zmouth

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10 to 15% believe we are saved and delivered by Grace, we believe that Jesus is our righteousness
It isn't grace that saves you. It is the LORD saves. It is by the grace of the LORD that one is saved, not by what they believe (works). The doctrine that you can force the LORD to save you by your faith is something that anyone can believe if they want, but their is no substance to that belief, and without substance, hope isn't faith.

2. that so many scholars of the law, can and have destroyed the word of God THE BIBLE,
If the law of truth destroys the word of your God then I don't know what to tell you other than keep seeking.
 

maverich

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It isn't grace that saves you. It is the LORD saves. It is by the grace of the LORD that one is saved, not by what they believe (works). The doctrine that you can force the LORD to save you by your faith is something that anyone can believe if they want, but their is no substance to that belief, and without substance, hope isn't faith.



If the law of truth destroys the word of your God then I don't know what to tell you other than keep seeking.
first off Grace does save because grace has a name it is Jesus " and we beheld HIS GRACE" and truth, people also call the pope his Grace, which is crap from the deepest pit of hell, but Jesus KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS he is Grace personified. My God save by Grace alone, not by works not by law, not by you nor me me. its a gift. Every patriarch, every apostle, all screwed up men and women, just like you and me.

If Hyper favor is to act as a child, to be free to laugh, to give to Love, then I want all there is. The Law brings sour faces and dogma, that no one can agree on. They fight tooth and nail about he said she said, if your not one of the hyper law people then i apologize.

my salvation is set, my mind is clear of dogma and doctrine. all i know is

BECAUSE HE LIVES I CAN FACE TOMMORROW

As far as destroying the bible, i read 90% of the posts and the inane things that people write claiming scripture is right out hell

example: couple days ago some one posted, about Abraham,

take your son, your only son and sacrifice him at a place, i show you.

that is not what he said, much like satan they left off "the one you Love"
furthermore, Issac was the child of Faith and Grace, Ishmael the child of the flesh.

little bible lesson thrown in for free. Ishmael was teasing issac and upset sarah, flesh will always torment spirit which leads me back to the post
 

Angela53510

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Hi Angela,

If it is banned, HG that is, then why are there people who are teaching it here?

Why are they allowed to post devotionals and post quotes from these false teachers? It makes no sense that it's banned and yet it's allowed.

And thanks for sticking around. ;)

I have asked this of the mods and the owner over and over. I have faithfully reported every hypergrace devotional put up. And yet, that stickie remains, forbidding hypergrace, and someone continues to flaunt the prohibition. Someone said she had received permission. Well, that may be true! But, it is contrary to not just the stickie, but the entire reason that stickie was posted.

I guess I must like refuting heresy, at least a little bit?? LOL
 

Bladerunner

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It isn't grace that saves you. It is the LORD saves. It is by the grace of the LORD that one is saved, not by what they believe (works). The doctrine that you can force the LORD to save you by your faith is something that anyone can believe if they want, but their is no substance to that belief, and without substance, hope isn't faith.



If the law of truth destroys the word of your God then I don't know what to tell you other than keep seeking.
Well I guess John 3:15.."15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

Do I believe your GOD or the One I just Quoted......The God that died for all the sins of the world and ".... whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."





 

p_rehbein

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I also understood that hypergrace discussions/threads were banned.
 

stonesoffire

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I would think that would be hyper law since the topic seems to be hyper grace.

Two coined phrases new to the Christian world yet never stated in scripture.
 

loveme1

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I would think that would be hyper law since the topic seems to be hyper grace.

Two coined phrases new to the Christian world yet never stated in scripture.

Thanks for for taking the time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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hypergrace was not bannd, attack threads where banned, a few people decided to go to war, and thread after thread would have to be closed because of the viscious hate of a those few people.

many where banned or left on both sides of the debate. It was a sad time on CC.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I also would have to agree with the OP, there used to be a time where grace was rule on CC. A select few were legalists, and they would not be here very long, because it was obvious which way CC stood, it is not that way any more, legalism has crept in, in the name of grace (false grace) and the have tried to filter out people who truly trust God, having determined that anyone who teaches grace are HG or EB people.
 

loveme1

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The saints are described as: Keeping the Commandments of GOD and Having the Testimony of the Messiah.

Without Grace we are condemned.

With Grace we are made New to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.

Most agree that 9 of the 10 Commandments are kept with our newness and some of us believe the Sabbath day is to be kept seperate also.

Some believe that those that Keep Sabbath because the Messiah teaches this and that those who love God keep His Commandments which equates to the Messiah teaching us the Royal law which is of love are going to be told to depart because they work iniquity...

likewise if those that Keep Sabbath by Grace through Faith condemn those who don't believe this then we are exalting ourselves to judge.

Heavenly Father and the Messiah know our intentions and our words will be held against us as the original post states... but if you think Satan is telling people to Keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony of the Messiah then you need to see who the dragon makes war with... because the saints believe and do as commanded because the saving Grace made them new and nothing can move them because they are on the Good foundation. My belief does not void grace.. for it could not be so without Grace.

Turn not the Grace of GOD into lasciviousness...

If the old flesh caused sin which is transgression of the law.. what then will the Grace of GOD be given for?To Be born of the Holy Spirit and labour in love in our newness.

If the Messiah teaches us to be perfect like our Father then we set our heart to this and so on....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The saints are described as: Keeping the Commandments of GOD and Having the Testimony of the Messiah.

Without Grace we are condemned.

With Grace we are made New to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth.

Most agree that 9 of the 10 Commandments are kept with our newness and some of us believe the Sabbath day is to be kept seperate also.

Some believe that those that Keep Sabbath because the Messiah teaches this and that those who love God keep His Commandments which equates to the Messiah teaching us the Royal law which is of love are going to be told to depart because they work iniquity...

likewise if those that Keep Sabbath by Grace through Faith condemn those who don't believe this then we are exalting ourselves to judge.

Heavenly Father and the Messiah know our intentions and our words will be held against us as the original post states... but if you think Satan is telling people to Keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony of the Messiah then you need to see who the dragon makes war with... because the saints believe and do as commanded because the saving Grace made them new and nothing can move them because they are on the Good foundation. My belief does not void grace.. for it could not be so without Grace.

Turn not the Grace of GOD into lasciviousness...

If the old flesh caused sin which is transgression of the law.. what then will the Grace of GOD be given for?To Be born of the Holy Spirit and labour in love in our newness.

If the Messiah teaches us to be perfect like our Father then we set our heart to this and so on....
your first sentence would be preached b Graf believers, even HG people teach this from what I have seen,

what differentiat s people is what obeying does. And why people obey,
 
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You have misread this forum. In fact, about 90% of people do only believe we are saved by grace. That comes about differently, but most will say, grace through faith.

What is banned here is not grace, but hypergrace. This is a heresy coined by Joseph Prince, of Singapore. He has abandoned the Bible necessity of repentance. It is basically another step of Word Faith, a heresy which ignores basic exegesis and hermeneutical principles. In other words, pulling Scriptures out of context, and also making up things the Bible never says.

Some of us are called to stand up to false doctrine leading people astray. It is why I stay here, even though few listen.
That is nonsense...the term was coined by Dr. Michael Brown who doesn't believe in some aspects of what is taught by others in the body of Christ.

And it is a complete lie that Prince says there is no repentance for the believer in Christ


It simply amazes me how so-called ministers of the gospel can just act so deceitfully in their representation of others in the body of Christ.


Since the term has been used in a derogatory way - Brown and Prince have gotten together to discuss their different views if anyone wants to know the truth - here is a recent article from Dr. Brown discussing his meeting with Pastor Joseph Prince.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/62639-my-meeting-with-joseph-prince


As to the lie that Pastor prince doesn't believe in repentance - Let's hear it from the "horse's mouth" himself. Perhaps this will stop the malice and slander from others.


[video=youtube;TDgqUP2-FOw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgqUP2-FOw[/video]
 
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Hi Angela,

If it is banned, HG that is, then why are there people who are teaching it here?

Why are they allowed to post devotionals and post quotes from these false teachers? It makes no sense that it's banned and yet it's allowed.

And thanks for sticking around. ;)

The reason for using the term "hyper-grace" is because of the behavior of some people . For example - like those that lie and mis-represent what is being said by others and then calling them names like "heretic"....etc.

Here is the quote about the "behavior" of people and of those that started threads to attack certain ministers.



Quote:

BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.

Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it.

remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.


God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html
 
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RamahDesjardin

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This is the sort of thread that makes Christian doctrine so confusing and frustrating for young people. We can't even get a straight answer on the meaning of the word grace.
 

gb9

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This is the sort of thread that makes Christian doctrine so confusing and frustrating for young people. We can't even get a straight answer on the meaning of the word grace.
it confuses us older people too. why people want to chop the Bible into pieces and build theology and doctrine around the pieces is beyond me...............