2 bibles, 2 storms

[maverich]

Jesus came walking on the water(paraphrased) Peter said if that be you Lord bid me to come. and the Lord said "come" Peter walks out starts to submerge cries out and is saved. was the storm natural or spiritual?

Jesus sleeping in the boat and a storm comes up, they wake him crying, don't you care that we perish. was this storm natural or spiritual

Paul is loaded on a ship bound for Rome and a contrary wind begins beating the boat till all aboard are fearful, is this a natural storm or spiritual

The Bible is spirit breathed, God is known for hiding treasures, can anyone discern the 3 storms, whether spiritual or natural

if you know speak quick almost time for nitey night

 

[Angela53510]

Does it matter?

Well, I am going to vote natural. Because the storms were real! The boat was almost swamped in the first case, and in the second case, the ship was shipwrecked.

Also, I don't see anything in Scripture to suggest that the storms were spiritual. Although, perhaps God used those storms to be a vital teaching point in the Bible. And that point is that God is in control! So, in fact, all storms, natural and metaphysical are spiritual. And we can learn from them all, provided we are listening to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bladerunner]

Jesus came walking on the water(paraphrased) Peter said if that be you Lord bid me to come. and the Lord said "come" Peter walks out starts to submerge cries out and is saved. was the storm natural or spiritual?

Jesus sleeping in the boat and a storm comes up, they wake him crying, don't you care that we perish. was this storm natural or spiritual

Paul is loaded on a ship bound for Rome and a contrary wind begins beating the boat till all aboard are fearful, is this a natural storm or spiritual

The Bible is spirit breathed, God is known for hiding treasures, can anyone discern the 3 storms, whether spiritual or natural

if you know speak quick almost time for nitey night

when you say 'spiritual' what do you actually mean?? The Sea of Galilee as is today and was actually a shallow lake. Not many storms of Nature aside a tornado or straight line winds can produce the terrifying effects of the storms in the Bible. I say it was brought on by Jesus Himself. If that is the definition of your spiritual then I vote for it. In fact all of them were spiritual in that case.

If on the other hand, your meaning of the word spiritual is totally different then I can only say that God produced all of the storms in question for reasons brought out by scripture.

 

[maverich]

the wording Jesus uses and subsequent events suggest num# 1 is natural, He said "Peace be still"

The second storm they are on their way to the gadarenes when the storm comes up. Jesus says something different, He rebukes the wind and waves,

which does suggest spiritual, followed by the demon possessed man running to Jesus saying what have we to do with you Son of David. Legion knew he was coming and sent a storm, beware of the time of yourbreak throughs, satan will always send a storm, I havve lived it

paul going to rome satan tries to kill him on the ship, being mature, and knowing that its God's will for him to get to Rome, he tells the captain to stay on the ship or he will die

follow that with the serpent, satan will always send contrary winds, and venemous serpents to stop you spiritual

there are 2 bibles in one, one is discerned naturally, one is discerned spiritually

 

[maverich]

when you say 'spiritual' what do you actually mean?? The Sea of Galilee as is today and was actually a shallow lake. Not many storms of Nature aside a tornado or straight line winds can produce the terrifying effects of the storms in the Bible. I say it was brought on by Jesus Himself. If that is the definition of your spiritual then I vote for it. In fact all of them were spiritual in that case.

If on the other hand, your meaning of the word spiritual is totally different then I can only say that God produced all of the storms in question for reasons brought out by scripture.

spiritual in 2 cases natural in 1, also well documented that there are some terrible storms that come on Galilee

 

[posthuman]

the wording Jesus uses and subsequent events suggest num# 1 is natural, He said "Peace be still"

The second storm they are on their way to the gadarenes when the storm comes up. Jesus says something different, He rebukes the wind and waves

if you were to rebuke wind & waves that were a-storming, what do you imagine the words that came out of your mouth to do so would be?

possibly something like "peace, be still" ?

 

[posthuman]

which does suggest spiritual, followed by the demon possessed man running to Jesus saying what have we to do with you Son of David. Legion knew he was coming and sent a storm, beware of the time of yourbreak throughs, satan will always send a storm, I havve lived it

if demon-possessed men could routinely command the wind and the waves, why were the disciples astonished that Jesus could "also" do the same?

 

[Cee]

My opinion they were all natural. Even though they also may have had spiritual implications.

Scripture teaches us that everything in the "seen" world, this is what we see, smell, touch, hear, and experience comes from the unseen world.

Was God in control of these storms? Or did Jesus take control? If Jesus didn't say "Peace be still..." would the storms have quieted?

 

[graceNpeace]

Jesus came walking on the water(paraphrased) Peter said if that be you Lord bid me to come. and the Lord said "come" Peter walks out starts to submerge cries out and is saved. was the storm natural or spiritual?

Jesus sleeping in the boat and a storm comes up, they wake him crying, don't you care that we perish. was this storm natural or spiritual

Paul is loaded on a ship bound for Rome and a contrary wind begins beating the boat till all aboard are fearful, is this a natural storm or spiritual

The Bible is spirit breathed, God is known for hiding treasures, can anyone discern the 3 storms, whether spiritual or natural

if you know speak quick almost time for nitey night

Nothing unnatural or supernatural about the storms themselves.
The Sea Galilee is well known for this kind of weather - relatively shallow lake surrounded by steep hills on most sides can make for some interesting wind and wave conditions...

As for the events that unfold they are clearly supernatural...

 

[p_rehbein]

I strongly disagree with that statement. There is only ONE BIBLE. Discernment of Scripture is not divided, however the GROWTH of the believers is. The Apostle Paul made this clear when he separated them by teaching there are carnal (physical) believers and spiritual believers. This is where the difference in discernment comes into play. IT IS THE SAME BIBLE. The SAME Scriptures! Mans understanding of those Scriptures differs, but THE WORD DOES NOT CHANGE!

the wording Jesus uses and subsequent events suggest num# 1 is natural, He said "Peace be still"

The second storm they are on their way to the gadarenes when the storm comes up. Jesus says something different, He rebukes the wind and waves,

which does suggest spiritual, followed by the demon possessed man running to Jesus saying what have we to do with you Son of David. Legion knew he was coming and sent a storm, beware of the time of yourbreak throughs, satan will always send a storm, I havve lived it

paul going to rome satan tries to kill him on the ship, being mature, and knowing that its God's will for him to get to Rome, he tells the captain to stay on the ship or he will die

follow that with the serpent, satan will always send contrary winds, and venemous serpents to stop you spiritual

there are 2 bibles in one, one is discerned naturally, one is discerned spiritually

 

[p_rehbein]

Now, concerning the question posed:

Both, or, actually, three. In our lives, we experience physical/earthly storms which pose a real danger to us, and Christ is the Master of those storms. He can keep us safe, and He can calm those storms. We also experience spiritual storms when we are attacked by the devil and his minions, and Christ is the Master over those storms. He can protect us from such attacks, and drive away our attackers. We also experience emotional storms. Those being family disputations, love disputations and such, and Christ is the Master over those storms as well. He can calm our fears, ease our pain, and bring peace to our souls.

He is the Master of the storms. All we have to do is trust in Him.

 

[BeyondET]

Cool post, I would vote a actual storm as well as having a spiritual meaning as well, and I believe Jesus fell asleep, per say to dose off again after being awakened by the disciples, He wasn't quite concern with the storm as the Disciples were.

Mt8:24 Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping.
Mk4:38 Jesus was in the stern, sleeping on a cushion. The disciples woke him and said to him, "Teacher, don't you care if we drown?"
Mk4:40 He said to his disciples, "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?"
Lk8:23 As they sailed, he fell asleep. A squall came down on the lake, so that the boat was being swamped, and they were in great danger.
Mt8:25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!"
Mt8:26 He replied, "You of little faith, why are you so afraid?" Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm.


A squall is a rapid increase in wind speed that is usually associated with active weather, such as rain showers, thunderstorms, or heavy snow. Squalls refer to an increase in the sustained winds over a short time interval, as there may be higher gusts during a squall event.

 

[loveme1]

1 Bible and the Holy Spirit Baptism... or 1 Bible and no Holy Spirit Baptism.

 

[garee]

Jesus came walking on the water(paraphrased) Peter said if that be you Lord bid me to come. and the Lord said "come" Peter walks out starts to submerge cries out and is saved. was the storm natural or spiritual?

The Bible is spirit breathed, God is known for hiding treasures, can anyone discern the 3 storms, whether spiritual or natural

It is how we can hear God amongst the private interpretations as commentaries of men . I would offer a combination…that is if we are to hear God aright. It is why I believe he spoke in parables to hide the spiritual understanding from the lost.

First and foremost I think we should apply the prescription the doctor (Holy Spirit) ordered in order to have a proper hermeneutics (understanding of that not seen) the eternal found in 2 Corinthian 4:18. In doing so we can experience “how to hear God” and not man by looking at the things seen used as metaphors in parables.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Mat 8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

Even the winds not seen obey the voice of faith.

Christ as always must do the first works. Peter inspired by God was moved by a faith (Christ’s) not of his own.... said; if that be you Lord bid me to come. and the Lord said "come" to confirm he was working in Peter to both will and do His good pleasure. It was the faith of Christ that performed that which defied nature(Peter did not sink) it was not accredited to Peter as if it was a work of his faith but was a faith imputed as a work to Peter just as with any beleiver.

When Peter took his eyes of faith off of Christ that came from hearing God the supernatural (Peter come forth)Peter distracted by the storm that Christ brought into view... peter sunk taking his eyes off of the Lord.

No qualifier on Peter’s behalf. Just like the call we will hear on the last day used in a parable with Lazarus . Being completely dead with no qualifier to hear or believe .He who has been given ears to hear... let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches and not so much what the church says.

Again the first words we will hear....It will be like walking on water

Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.