ISRAEL: GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE - YES OR NO?

[willybob]

those that are circumcised of the heart and not the flesh, whose praise is of God and not men are the spiritual Jews, of such are the Israel of God , Romans 2-28,29, Galatians 6: 12-16.............be blessed

PS: the children of Abraham are of the promise, and not the flesh, therefore being Abraham’s decedents by faith in Christ, beings that Abraham is the father of MANY NATIONS.....God only has one bride and one covenant lest He be a polygamist.

 

[KJV1611]

those that are circumcised of the heart and not the flesh, whose praise is of God and not men are the spiritual Jews, of such are the Israel of God , Romans 2-28,29, Galatians 6: 12-16.............be blessed

PS: the children of Abraham are of the promise, and not the flesh, therefore being Abraham’s decedents by faith in Christ, beings that Abraham is the father of MANY NATIONS.....God only has one bride and one covenant lest He be a polygamist.

Why do people find this so hard to understand!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

those that are circumcised of the heart and not the flesh, whose praise is of God and not men are the spiritual Jews, of such are the Israel of God , Romans 2-28,29, Galatians 6: 12-16.............be blessed

PS: the children of Abraham are of the promise, and not the flesh, therefore being Abraham’s decedents by faith in Christ, beings that Abraham is the father of MANY NATIONS.....God only has one bride and one covenant lest He be a polygamist.

one of abrahams children was given a promise, to be a nation, to be his people, and then live in a land given to them,

thus was was called an eternal covenant,

yu all need t stop mixing the eternal salvation promise given to all nations through Christ, and the physical promise given to one family through Abraham Issaac and Jacob, which God called eternal.

 

[willybob]

that's the church,

physical Israel still has a part in prophesy though,

Physical Israel was dispersed and never to be again some 2000 years ago. All of the temple records were destroyed, none can prove their linage without it.. There is probably no one left with more that 15% Jewish blood today, and most of those are Palestinians...... Jesus said I leave unto you your house DESOLATE. Do you know what desolate means? When Jesus says desolate He means desolate...Never to be again


The church/ecclesia IS Israel...In fact, its always been Israel by faith, for all Israel, is not of Israel, and ONLY All Israel is saved said Paul...ALL Israel is the remnant believers by faith, of Israel is of the flesh.....be blessed

 

[Gabriel2020]

The flesh and blood Israel will be saved after the gospel have been preached to all the Gentiles. They are known as the remnant, meaning what's left of them. God promised that, and made it an everlasting covenant .The believing Gentiles have been grafted in the same branch they were removed from, but room will be made to graft them back into the branch again.

 

[Locutus]

All the promises to Abraham were made to Christ, not the flesh nation of Israel:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Physical Israel was dispersed and never to be again some 2000 years ago. All of the temple records were destroyed, none can prove their linage without it.. There is probably no one left with more that 15% Jewish blood today, and most of those are Palestinians...... Jesus said I leave unto you your house DESOLATE. Do you know what desolate means? When Jesus says desolate He means desolate...Never to be again


The church/ecclesia IS Israel...In fact, its always been Israel by faith, for all Israel, is not of Israel, and ONLY All Israel is saved said Paul...ALL Israel is the remnant believers by faith, of Israel is of the flesh.....be blessed

Ever read lev 26? God did what he said he would do if they didn't obey him, h also said if they repent, he will remember his promise to them, and return them,

sorry, it I take god at his word, if hey repent, he will remember his promise, I do not need them to prove their lineage, what nonsense is that? god knows who they are, and he promised he would always keep a remnant,

if you do do not think God will keep his word, that's on you man, then again, you do not believe anything God says is eternal is eternal, so I would not expect anything different from you

Land was not promised to the church, t was promised to a nation, end of story,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All the promises to Abraham were made to Christ, not the flesh nation of Israel:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

christ was promised the whole earth,

isreal was promised a plot plot of land in the Middle East,

both promises were said to be eternal

not the same,

next

 

[Locutus]

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

There is no casting them back in 1970 years later and counting.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

There is no casting them back in 1970 years later and counting.

So God will not keep his promise and restrict them if they repent. Lev 26

thanks, we know what you think of God, and his promises, they are pretty much meaningless

moving on.

 

[Locutus]

If they repent they will be brought into the church just like the 1st century Jews.

 

[willybob]

Why do people find this so hard to understand!

On a large scall its becuase many f them perceive that Gd pours His wrath out on them thar Jews, while they themselves are raptured before the firey indigantion of God...This flattery is what sold the rapture myth, it makes the fkkesh feel good while still in its sin...They understand not that the tribulation has been going on for some 2000 years and the apostle John said the time is at hand and that he was our brother & companion in tribulation some 2000 years ago. Rev 1-3b,9.

The whole futuristic myth began with a Jesuit theologian named Fransisco Ribera in the 1580s. His 500 page work on the end times was to take the heat off the Pope, because he was perceived by the protestants to be the antichrist...However Ribera's work lay dormant for about 200 years...

Then in the late 1700s another Jesuit compiled and modified it, then in 1827 Edwin Irving translated it into English, and it swept over the land like wildfire (it was the real beginning of end-times mania), as hundreds of false predictions have been declared since then..John Darby was at those early Powers Court meetings with Irving until Irving died in 1834...Darby later invent the rapture myth and the professed-church loves it because they perceive the wrath of God is no longer upon the children of disobedience, but rather upon them thar Jews......Satan always uses flatteries to lure the rebellious at heart......So in conclusion; what is believed to be as end times theology today was actually Jesuit contrived, and the foolish protestants know it not...be blessed

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If they repent they will be brought into the church just like the 1st century Jews.

yep,

and as as god promised, he will remember the land, and the promises he made with the fathers.


Lev 26: 40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.

fight t all you want, it will not make it not true

 

[eternally-gratefull]

On a large scall its becuase many f them perceive that Gd pours His wrath out on them thar Jews, while they themselves are raptured before the firey indigantion of God...This flattery is what sold the rapture myth, it makes the fkkesh feel good while still in its sin...They understand not that the tribulation has been going on for some 2000 years and the apostle John said the time is at hand and that he was our brother & companion in tribulation some 2000 years ago. Rev 1-3b,9.

The whole futuristic myth began with a Jesuit theologian named Fransisco Ribera in the 1580s. His 500 page work on the end times was to take the heat off the Pope, because he was perceived by the protestants to be the antichrist...However Ribera's work lay dormant for about 200 years...

Then in the late 1700s another Jesuit compiled and modified it, then in 1827 Edwin Irving translated it into English, and it swept over the land like wildfire (it was the real beginning of end-times mania), as hundreds of false predictions have been declared since then..John Darby was at those early Powers Court meetings with Irving until Irving died in 1834...Darby later invent the rapture myth and the professed-church loves it because they perceive the wrath of God is no longer upon the children of disobedience, but rather upon them thar Jews......Satan always uses flatteries to lure the rebellious at heart......So in conclusion; what is believed to be as end times theology today was actually Jesuit contrived, and the foolish protestants know it not...be blessed

Lol, your belief started with a anti Semitic Roman church,

try sticking to fact and not conjectures.

Gd keeps his promise, he will forever, 2000 years is nothing t him. He will wait 10000 if that is what it takes.

 

[Bladerunner]

This pastor was both right and wrong!

He was correct that the Covenant God made with Israel in the Sinai was a conditional covenant - and the condition was obedience to the law - which Israel obviously broke.

Most of Israel, as it was at that time (twelve tribes), is lost - the Northern Kingdom went into exile and never returned as a discrete national unit. Descendants of those people are found all across the Middle East today.
The Kingdom of Judah (tribe of Judah as well as parts of the tribes of Levi and Benjamin) also was given up into captivity - but at least a remnant of those did return and continue as a discrete ethnic unit to this day - Jews!

There is no doubt that, as a discrete ethnic unit, the Jews are currently in rebellion against God. After all, they reject the New Covenant. Obviously, all through history (New covenant history that is) there have been individual exceptions.

As individuals God has definitely not abandoned anyone who is a Jew. The promise, and offer, of salvation is open to all individuals regardless of ethnicity. This is made VERY clear in the New Testament!
However, it really does appear that God does have a role for Israel and has not abandoned them in an ethnic national sense.
This will not be on the basis of the Mosaic covenant however - the ball-game there has been irrevocably lost!
No, the promises go back further to the Abrahamic covenant, which is an unconditional covenant, (in fact the New covenant has its conceptual roots in the Abrahamic covenant) and it will be on that basis that God will honour His commitment to Israel.

There are individuals on this site who understand their eschatology better than I who can expand on the fact that Israel has not been ultimately abandoned by God.

All of the four previous covenants; Abraham, Jacob and David are still in effect. The fourth covenant has not happened yet. NOTICE, I did not say a covenant to the Gentiles....Jesus Made NO covenant with the Gentiles. Jer 31:31-34,
Hebrews 8:13, Hebrews 9:15, ,Hebrews 8:7-8, Luke 22:20, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Romans 7:6 and on and on and on.

Written by the Prophet Hosea 5:15..."15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

"I will go and return to my place" ??????Has he been gone from heaven????? and then that little word that shows up 99 times in the KJV meaning "the future" [TIll I Go again...in the future.]

Then the kicker..."TILL --they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face".....Israel is going to have to call on the Lord for Help.

The remainder....."in their(Children of Israel) affliction they (Children of Israel) will seek me early".....

Their affliction??????what affliction?????they are not living in affliction today. As they were for the last 2000 years in diasporia but they (children of Israel) were still not in affliction even during WWII as they were not a nation or a people. (jdg 4:3, jdg 6:6,7,8 and more)

Daniel's 70th week was designed by God to bring His people back to HIM. Yes, it also punishes those that take the "Mark of the Beast" (worship, identify with the antichrist) and the sin of the world, BUT its main goal is to push Israel back to GOD!.

However this cannot/willnot happen "till" (there is that future word again) the "Fullness of His Church" and the restrainer is removed.

In the words of the southerner that I am: Hang on folks!, It ain't over yet! It has just begun!

 

[Locutus]

The land promises went *poof* - the final destination was the spiritual land in the spiritual kingdom, not some plot of dirt in Palestine.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Your Darbyesque "theology" is all arse about face.

 

[Gabriel2020]

God knows who the real Israelites are. there is a remnant that will be saved according to his promise.

 

[Locutus]

The remnant was being saved during Paul's ministry.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The land promises went *poof* - the final destination was the spiritual land in the spiritual kingdom, not some plot of dirt in Palestine.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Your Darbyesque "theology" is all arse about face.

Nope, the land promise still stands, God sad forever, forever has NT ended yet,

isreal was never ever promised a spiritual kingdom, they were promised a physical one, they were to look f R the spiritual one though which was more important,


As usual you do do not want to discuss the word, you want to attack a man long since dead, so I will as usual end my conversation with you and leave you to your pride.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The remnant was being saved during Paul's ministry.

They are being saved today, you only keep a remnant f you plan on keeping a nation together for a purpose,

paul said the remnant would continue until the time of the gentile is fulfilled. That time is not done yet,