ISRAEL: GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE - YES OR NO?

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willybob

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Part 2

Apostate Judaism remained wedded to its useless abolished religious system that was left unto them desolate, Matthew 23-38, Luke 13-35. This system has been destroyed forever (desolate) and replaced with an eternal covenant by the blood of the Testator, Christ, Hebrews 9. An eternal testament that will not be altered or tampered with. The ceremonial and civil covenants at Sanai were never said or meant to be eternal. But were added because of disobedience in the wilderness. However, the moral portion of the law in that covenant has been magnified in the New Testament. Thus abiding by faith in the Law of Christ walking after the law of the Spirit through faithfulness to God having heart purity producing the good deeds of faith.


Galatians 4:22-33 tells of two types of children of Abraham: “it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.”


In this allegorical description the scriptures here are comparing natural Israel to spiritual Israel. Paul is telling these Gentile believers that they are the true offspring of “Isaac.” He is demonstrating that those that are “born of the Spirit” are “the children of promise” and therefore “free.” He depicts unregenerate Israel as of the bond woman Hagar “that which is born of flesh” is in bondage to sin, or as Jesus told them in the Temple in John 8, the servant of sin abides not in the house forever.
The New Testament reveals the outworking of the promises to the Gentiles being grafted into believing Israel. “IE” Grafted into ALL Israel, Romans 9-6, 11-26. Paul was simply informing the Jewish believers by faith that grace was going to be expanded outside of Israel, in that the Gentiles were about to be brought into the same singular fold of grace as the Jewish believers. All one in faith in Christ Jesus.

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Romans 11:25 declares, “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in (or, of) part is happened to Israel, (Israel the Nation) while wherein the fulness (or full amount) of the Gentiles be come in.”

Romans 11:25,26 "blindness in part" is happened to the nation of Physical Israel. However, the remnant was NEVER partially blinded. So it is NOT speaking about the body of remnant believers (the minority/few). It's saying that the nation of Israel as a whole would not receive their Messiah. Just as the prophet Isaiah said: For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness, Isaiah 10-22. (a righteous remnant endured). From the beginning to the end of the bible its all about the concept of remnant theology. Thus, blindness was imparted to those of unbelief. Therefore, salvation “of Israel” to the Jews in Pauls' day; of which a part (majority), had been blinded/hardened by the freewill choice of unbelief was a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy to the Jews.

There were many eternal promises made by God to Abraham, Jacob, and then to the Hebrew children under the old covenant which were annulled through disobedience. However, superseded by a greater, broader, and more glorious covenant fulfilment in Christ. That fulfilment was established in the New Covenant/New Testament.

God's promises to Abraham, which are irrevocable, Romans 11:29, Galatians 3-17, are being fulfilled in a remnant to this day, Romans 11:5, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in Romans 11:25. In one respect, the fullness of the Gentiles has not completely come in. But I recently have come to understand that the "coming in" of the Gentiles (in a generic term) has already happened in Christ as prophesied in the OT because God hath granted (allowed for) the Gentiles repentance, in that they too are commanded to repent and believe. I would say that all Gentiles have "come in" in a generic sense; in the sense that God's salvation purpose was extended to them. (that he should grant/include the gentiles in repentance unto salvation) . God's promise to Israel is currently being fulfilled in a remnant gathering, Romans 11:5.

"IT IS FINISHED": Christ has finished the NT way (the Covenant) of reconciliation for both Jew and Gentile. But in a larger sense the word “fullness” in verse 25 is the Greek word pleroma meaning complete or full amount. The “blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” It means that a remnant of Israel is saved and the rest are blinded until the gathering of the Gentiles is complete. When does the fullness of the Gentiles come in be completed? When Christ returns in all His Glory ushering in eternity, and bringing the new heavens and the new earth forever..

Manifestly, they, (the Jews) are not all blinded; a remnant will continue to believe (as they always have). The engrafting isn't restricted to an end-time mass induction of the whole Secular Nation of Israel prior to the Lord's coming. "IE" Despensationalism. If that lie were true, then how were the Jewish descendants able to qualify for salvation over the past 2000 years? And, what about the Jews in Israel that died in unbelief in the 1950s forward. Were those still saved because God loved Secular-Israel? The bogus theology called despensationalism cannot answer these questions, And Paul’s teachings make no such suggestion along those lines of doctrine. He is simply speaking that a portion or part of Israel that is not blinded but has been reconciled by the precious blood of Jesus will be saved. They will continue to come to Christ “while” the Gentiles also come through the commands of repentance and belief.

There can be no more Gentiles or Jews saved after the full amount is brought in. Much of scripture depicts the end of salvation as the climactic Second Coming of Christ. This is when the longsuffering of God will have come to an end 2 Peter 3-9,10 of which NO ONE knows except the Father. And then the earth is dissolved in fervent heat. This is when the full amount of Gentiles will be completed. So, we can discern that a remnant of Jewish decentness will continue to come into the ONE FOLD as the Gentiles come in. However, when this age comes to an end, Christ's office as redeemer will have been closed, and the kingdom delivered back up to the Father, 1 Cor.15-27, (No more salvation). Wherein Christ will be King forever. There will be NO REDEMTION in a Purgatorious type millennial kingdom. That is a myth contrived by so called scholars out of Roman-Universities (Caligula) down through the ages and on up to today. AKA Seminaries etc.
The principle of remnant theology is implied from beginning to the end of the bible. It’s the saved and the lost, there is NO mysterious “third group” (multitudes, Ephraim, etc.), nor a premillennial kingdom of half saved and half lost spiritual hybrids. (That theology is just another twist on the Roman Catholic abomination called Purgatory). It’s no great wonder, beings that the premillennial-theology was created by Jesuits Ribera, and Lacunza, then translated into English by Edward Irving..
For those that would contend that "all Israel" points to those Jews who come to faith in Christ during the end of the church age with the implications that there has to be a certain criteria which identifies them today as "Israel" in a Nation State. I ask; on what premise is this assumption based upon? Is it genetics? Is it their religious beliefs? For many have some small portion of Jewish DNA. Or is it based upon some distant ancestor who was Jewish? Or is it based on a flesh verbal claim and returning to the supposed holy-land in the Middle East?


However, knowing this first, Jesus said to them "your house “IS” left unto you desolate". Confirmed by Paul in Gal. 4 for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Also, all of the Temple records were destroyed, and there were no birth records kept for centuries during the dark and middle ages. How then can they establish this foolish venture or eastward trek to a fictitious earthly holy-land.

Many Christians are ignorantly deceived as to what Judaism is. Thinking it is the religion of the Old Testament; However, it is not. What is known today as Orthodox Judaism follows the Talmud, which one can think of as their own version of the new testament of Judaism. Similar in comparison as to Islam's own new testament version called the Koran. The idea in Judaism was promulgated that Moses gave an oral law, not written down, and that it was passed on by tradition until written down around AD 200 in the Mishnah. There are 2 Talmuds, both commentaries are expansions upon the Mishnah, which is the core of both. There is the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud, the latter being the orthodox authority, and the one meant is one just says "the Talmud."

Now the modern Jew may be more or less orthodox, mixing in humanism, more or less holding to the traditions of the Talmud. But the religion of Judaism (of whatever branch) is not that of Moses & cannot be as there is no Temple & no Temple sacrifices and not even any proof of who is a Levite. If we remember in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah people coming back to Jerusalem had to PROVE by genetics that they were indeed from the tribe of Levi, and those that were not were dismissed. Not one could even remotely prove this linage today. It is gone forever.

Further, the religion of Judaism stems from Pharisiticalism, and was a later development after 70 AD. What is known as Judaism is not based on the Old Testament; it is based on the Talmud, Mishna, the Mirdash, Philo, Zohar, and the Oral Traditions of the Torah, which is considered by their religious movement to be more important than the written Torah. Besides, Judaism as we know it today is partially a development in reaction to Christ as the Messiah. Jesus, Himself said the followers of that religion in His day didn't even believe in Moses, John 5. In other words, Judaism largely stems from a rejection of Christ as “THE” Messiah.

Superstitions are the folklores that ensnare victims through the power of suggestion by offering flatteries that appeal to self. The mechanics of all deceptions pertaining to false religious beliefs operate in this manner. Paul said, I perceive ye to be too superstitious.

The apostles had revelation form God to write the scriptures, and no one else

Paul is defending/proving his apostleship and his peculiar inspiration in v14 "Which things also we (apostles) speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

God chose the apostles to miraculously receive revelatory words from the Holy Spirit and those inspired men wrote those words down so the rest of us UNinspired men/women can read and understand them.....

Ephesians 3:3,4. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)"



We are not the spiritual men God inspired to miraculously receive revelatory words from the Holy Spirit and then write them. However, we can read the words those spiritual men wrote down for us and understand them. By miraculous revelation God made known His will to inspired men as Paul, Luke (and other inspired writers of the scriptures). Those inspired men in turn wrote those "words" down so the rest of us can read and understand them via the guidance of the Holy Ghost that teaches us all things.


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willybob

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The flesh and blood Israel will be saved after the gospel have been preached to all the Gentiles. They are known as the remnant, meaning what's left of them. God promised that, and made it an everlasting covenant .The believing Gentiles have been grafted in the same branch they were removed from, but room will be made to graft them back into the branch again.
What about the flesh Israel for the last 2000 years, how do they get saved?....God is no respecter of persons, and He is not in the nation building business anymore, because the kingdom of Heaven has already been established......

all people(both Jew and Gentile) get saved in the same manner during the church age, been that way for 2000 years and will continue until the last day............be blessed
 

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What about the flesh Israel for the last 2000 years, how do they get saved?....God is no respecter of persons, and He is not in the nation building business anymore, because the kingdom of Heaven has already been established......

all people(both Jew and Gentile) get saved in the same manner during the church age, been that way for 2000 years and will continue until the last day............be blessed
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"God is no respecter of persons",,, I saw this quote in someone else's post, a Pretereist post...... Guess it is a popular saying.....