Is dispensationalism same as replacement theology?

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Does Abraham replace Eden?
Does Moses replace Abraham?
Does David replace Moses?
Does Jesus replace the law?
Does the church replace Israel?
Or are they all linked together in God great progressive plan from the beginning of time?

I read that dispensationalism is a belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation. This isn’t necessarily a replacement but rather a progression. On the other hand replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel.

I’m confused about “replacement theology.” I have heard people claim both philosophies are the same. Any enlightenment would be helpful, whether you agree of not. I would like to hear pros and cons according to scripture. Thank you.
 
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dispensationalism is the opposite of replacement theology. its true God deals with people differently during different times, in da garden of eden da plan of salvation would be "dont eat da fruit". but now its believe that Jesus Christ died for ur sins and rose again on da 3rd day. things will change again in da future during the millennial kingdom, but thats a whole 'nother topic.


replacement theology is saying that God is done with israel and its replaced by the church, that israel is no more.

let me disprove replacement theology using da bible:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
 

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dispensationalism is the opposite of replacement theology. its true God deals with people differently during different times, in da garden of eden da plan of salvation would be "dont eat da fruit". but now its believe that Jesus Christ died for ur sins and rose again on da 3rd day. things will change again in da future during the millennial kingdom, but thats a whole 'nother topic.


replacement theology is saying that God is done with israel and its replaced by the church, that israel is no more.

let me disprove replacement theology using da bible:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Now you want to limit the elect to mean israel/jews only? When the bible clearly says the elect are those who are found in Jesus Christ, because now there is neither Jew nor gentile.

And by the way I'm not saying I agree with replacement theology and I'm not a dispensationalist either.
 

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Now you want to limit the elect to mean israel/jews only? When the bible clearly says the elect are those who are found in Jesus Christ, because now there is neither Jew nor gentile.

And by the way I'm not saying I agree with replacement theology and I'm not a dispensationalist either.
After the resurrection, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the body of Christ. Before the resurrection, the separation was apparent. As a matter of fact, the Lord told the disciples not to go to the Gentiles or Samaritans.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

If you do not believe in dispensations, then you should go around preaching this message and healing the sick, cleansing the lepers, raising the dead, and casting out devils.
 
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After the resurrection, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the body of Christ. Before the resurrection, the separation was apparent. As a matter of fact, the Lord told the disciples not to go to the Gentiles or Samaritans.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

If you do not believe in dispensations, then you should go around preaching this message and healing the sick, cleansing the lepers, raising the dead, and casting out devils.
I've wondered why Jesus commanded them not to go into any Samaritan city, yet Jesus did walk into a Samaritan city and stayed with them for two days.

Have any thoughts on that?
 
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Does Abraham replace Eden?
Does Moses replace Abraham?
Does David replace Moses?
Does Jesus replace the law?
Does the church replace Israel?
Or are they all linked together in God great progressive plan from the beginning of time?

I read that dispensationalism is a belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation. This isn’t necessarily a replacement but rather a progression. On the other hand replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel.

I’m confused about “replacement theology.” I have heard people claim both philosophies are the same. Any enlightenment would be helpful, whether you agree of not. I would like to hear pros and cons according to scripture. Thank you.
I as well, I'm not quite understanding dispensationalism, I do think life is a progression of events,

but there are so many new Isms out today, seems like a new one pops up every week. Ism that,, Ism this,, Isms everywhere, is this something that is always going to grow and grow to a point that if I'm a person who drinks coffee am I now called a Coffeeism believer.

There's probably 100,000 Isms around today it's mind boggling lol...
 

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I've wondered why Jesus commanded them not to go into any Samaritan city, yet Jesus did walk into a Samaritan city and stayed with them for two days.

Have any thoughts on that?
I have always thought that the original 12 were to reveal the mystery of the Gospel to the original blood line of Israel first. After all Jesus told the Samaritan woman that salvation was of the Jews (Judah). That would account for dispensing the Gospel, but not disclaiming anything previously known. Am I close?
 

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I as well, I'm not quite understanding dispensationalism, I do think life is a progression of events,

but there are so many new Isms out today, seems like a new one pops up every week. Ism that,, Ism this,, Isms everywhere, is this something that is always going to grow and grow to a point that if I'm a person who drinks coffee am I now called a Coffeeism believer.

There's probably 100,000 Isms around today it's mind boggling lol...
I heard that LOL. A bundle of ' isms' in practice can only be true as one at a time.
 
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I have always thought that the original 12 were to reveal the mystery of the Gospel to the original blood line of Israel first. After all Jesus told the Samaritan woman that salvation was of the Jews (Judah). That would account for dispensing the Gospel, but not disclaiming anything previously known. Am I close?
Thanks for replying, sounds logical I like your analogy,

quite honestly I didn't know why of the connection or meaning of between not allowing the disciples to go to any Samaritan city though He did go into a Samaritan city. I don't think Jesus was one to say, do as I say and not as I do, must be a deeper understanding of that, and you have probably solved that, seems logical what you said. :)

Really I've never given this any thought until now after reading the thread and that came to thought.
 
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Now you want to limit the elect to mean israel/jews only? When the bible clearly says the elect are those who are found in Jesus Christ, because now there is neither Jew nor gentile.

And by the way I'm not saying I agree with replacement theology and I'm not a dispensationalist either.
the elect means different things. there are also elect angels.
 

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I’m confused about “replacement theology.” I have heard people claim both philosophies are the same. Any enlightenment would be helpful, whether you agree of not. I would like to hear pros and cons according to scripture. Thank you.
Actually you are NOT confused. As to replacement theology, it began when theologians decided that God was through with Israel and that all the promises to Israel had been transferred to the Church. Thus the Church replaced Israel. The Reformers were just as guilty as the Catholics in not seeing clearly that even though God would establish the Church, He would also re-establish the kingdom of Israel AFTER the second coming of Christ.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

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And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


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But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


So here Jesus did not rebuke His apostles for their expectation of a restored Israel, but rather focused their attention on the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the establishment of the Church. After the Resurrection/Rapture God will resume His dealings with Israel when Christ comes to deliver the Jerusalem at the battle of Armageddon.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

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For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


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As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. (Romans 11:26-28)
 
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dispensationalism is nothing more that taking human history and deciding it into sections, so we can better understand things from a historical perspective. It also states human history is not done, thus there are future events which God says will take place,

it works of he literal interpretation, since everything up to the first advent was fulfilled literally, using this as our guide, everything g after also will be literally fulfilled

Replacement theology stats all prophesy is fulfilled, and any so called futurist prophesy concerning the nation of Israel is fulfilled by the church.
 

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Actually you are NOT confused. As to replacement theology, it began when theologians decided that God was through with Israel and that all the promises to Israel had been transferred to the Church. Thus the Church replaced Israel. The Reformers were just as guilty as the Catholics in not seeing clearly that even though God would establish the Church, He would also re-establish the kingdom of Israel AFTER the second coming of Christ.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

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And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


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But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


So here Jesus did not rebuke His apostles for their expectation of a restored Israel, but rather focused their attention on the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the establishment of the Church. After the Resurrection/Rapture God will resume His dealings with Israel when Christ comes to deliver the Jerusalem at the battle of Armageddon.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

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For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


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As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. (Romans 11:26-28)
Good points. Thanks.
"And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand." (Ezekiel 37:17)
"For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6)
 

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dispensationalism is nothing more that taking human history and deciding it into sections, so we can better understand things from a historical perspective. It also states human history is not done, thus there are future events which God says will take place,

it works of he literal interpretation, since everything up to the first advent was fulfilled literally, using this as our guide, everything g after also will be literally fulfilled

Replacement theology stats all prophesy is fulfilled, and any so called futurist prophesy concerning the nation of Israel is fulfilled by the church.
Is replacement theology then a theology of Catholicism?
 
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it works of he literal interpretation, since everything up to the first advent was fulfilled literally, using this as our guide, everything g after also will be literally fulfilled
this is a strong proof indeed. everything has happened literally so far, and will happen in da future too. jesus was literally pierced and literally came on a donkey
 

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Is replacement theology then a theology of Catholicism?
Yes, it is. It began with some of the Early Church Fathers, was developed by Augustine, and then adopted by the Catholic church. See this article on Supersessionism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism#Church_fathers

Unfortunately, the Reformers were more focused on the Gospel than on Bible prophecies, so they simply accepted the Catholic teaching and also adopted Amillennialism.
 

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this is a strong proof indeed. everything has happened literally so far, and will happen in da future too. jesus was literally pierced and literally came on a donkey
Yes, according to prophecy by Jesus and Paul, Jesus will also be coming in the clouds marking the end of this current world as we know it. Then He will rule on this earth for 1000 years with His heavenly and earthy councils together. AMEN!

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And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." (Isaiah 25:9)
 
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Yes, it is. It began with some of the Early Church Fathers, was developed by Augustine, and then adopted by the Catholic church. See this article on Supersessionism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism#Church_fathers

Unfortunately, the Reformers were more focused on the Gospel than on Bible prophecies, so they simply accepted the Catholic teaching and also adopted Amillennialism.
It sure seems that way. Thanks. Your statement clearly explains why most protestant religions (even today) continue with many Catholic traditions, including replacement theology.