Mary: Mother of Jesus

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Nehemiah6

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Since discussions of Mary the mother of Jesus keep coming up from time to time, Christians should know clearly what the Bible reveals about her and what it does not. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches have gone way beyond Scripture to venerate Mary.

1. Mary as a fulfillment of prophecy
We read in Genesis 3:15 that God revealed to Satan (after the Fall) that “the seed of the woman” would crush his head (destroy the power of the Devil), but that he would bruise Christ’s heel (a reference to the crucifixion). Therefore, the Holy Spirit says through Paul in Galatians 4:4 that Christ was “made of a woman”, when the fulness of time was come. This is clearly a reference to the virgin birth, but it is also significant that Paul does not say “born of the virgin Mary”.

2. Mary in Christ’s genealogy
Even though Joseph was not the Father of Jesus, Matthew mentions Joseph as the one who descended from Solomon and then adds “... the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ” (Matthew 1:16). This was not to minimize the importance of Mary but to simply indicate how Hebrew descent was to be regarded. In Luke 3:23, Joseph is shown as “the son of Heli” meaning the son-in-law of Heli, the father of Mary, and here Mary’s descent is shown from Nathan, but Mary is not mentioned by name. We know from the Old Testament, that even though Nathan was older than Solomon, God had chosen Solomon to succeed David, and given him a promise regarding Messiah’s coming through his line (Psalm 72).

3. Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus
In order for Jesus to be fully sinless Man, He could not have a human father. Therefore the virgin birth of Christ was imperative, and Jesus was supernaturally conceived in Mary’s womb as her firstborn son (Matthew 1:18-24; Luke 1:26-56). At the same time, Mary did NOT remain a perpetual virgin (as taught by some), since the Bible makes it crystal clear that Joseph had conjugal relations with his wife after the birth of Christ (Matthew 1:25): And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. “Knew” is a euphemism for sexual relations (carnal knowledge).

4. Mary, blessed above all women
There is no question that Mary was blessed above all women since she was privileged to bring the Lord Jesus Christ into this world. Therefore, when her cousin Elizabeth met her, she said by the power of the Holy Ghost “Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb” (Luke 1:41,42). But we are not told in Scripture that Mary contributed anything to our salvation. That was strictly and solely the work of the Savior.

5. Mary acknowledged her need of the Savior
Even though Mary was so highly favored, she was a humble woman who recognized herself as a mere human being and a sinner in need of the Savior (Luke 1:46-48):And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. Mary knew that Jesus was “Emmanuel” (God with us) hence she said “God my Saviour”.

6. Joseph and Mary’s children
The Bible reveals the Jesus had both brothers and sisters (Matthew 13:55-57), and that His brothers failed to believe on Him until after His resurrection (John 7:1-5). However they sought to impose their familial relations with Christ in a public venue, demanding that they meet with Him, and were roundly rebuked for it (Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 3:31-35). Indeed, at one point, they regarded Christ as mad, and sought to shut Him up (Mark 3:20,21). While the KJV has “friends” in verse 21, the other versions have “family” and the Greek means literally “His own people”. In order to promote the myth of Mary’s perpetual virginity, some have tried to make His brothers and sisters into cousins, but that is tampering with the truth.

7. Mary always addressed as “Woman” by Christ
It is significant that each time Christ addressed Mary as recorded in the Gospels, He did not say “Mother” but always said “Woman”. This is certainly not because He did not love her. Indeed, He loved her very much, and handed her over to the apostle John to be cared for after His crucifixion (John 19:26-27). However, since Jesus is the God-Man, He would not allow men to elevate Mary to be seen as “the Mother of God”, so she was respectfully addressed as “Woman” (John 2:1-5; 19:26-27).

8. Christ’s “mother” now is the one who does the Father’s will
This is also why Christ made it clear to His disciples (and to all Christians) that His earthly relationship to His mother ended when He began His ministry (Matthew 12:46-50): While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
 
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Nice post, though I'm somewhat perplexed on the mentioning of the ending of His relationship with His mother when He began His ministry , could you give some more insight on this?
 
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Good post. This should stop the religious practice of praying to Mary or any other person that is not the Father or the Lord.
 

loveme1

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I don't believe the catholic hierarchy pray to the mother of the Messiah.

Pagan worship being passed off as good.. I know many refuse to believe this.. and I once was none the wiser believing they were of GOD.. they put on such a religious show.. the Truth will become more apparent and many I pray will come out of the darkness by seeking the True light.

Remember that not all call upon the Almighty GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...
 
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this is a good post............. especiially point #7 is great........ i do love Mary still.............. i think mary is the mother of all believers........ i dont pray to her tho
 
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  1. Mary as a fulfillment of prophecy
    We read in Genesis 3:15 that God revealed to Satan (after the Fall) that “the seed of the woman” would crush his head (destroy the power of the Devil), but that he would bruise Christ’s heel (a reference to the crucifixion). Therefore, the Holy Spirit says through Paul in Galatians 4:4 that Christ was “made of a woman”, when the fulness of time was come. This is clearly a reference to the virgin birth, but it is also significant that Paul does not say “born of the virgin Mary”.
The corrupted flesh that the Son of man inherited from Mary as that in which Christ clearly stated ...did not profit, did not because it could not. We must search for the spiritual understanding hid in those parables remembering to walk by faith mixing it as that not seen in that which we do hear revealed by the scriptures.

That mother described as the mother of us all in Galatians 4 is not calculated after one on the many lively stones that make up the bride of Christ the church. (Mary) She alone does not make up the bride of Christ

The whole church as a new creature (neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile) is considered the mother of us all after the spiritual seed of Christ. The whole church in hat way makes up the segregate womb of the new creation and are all considered Christ our husband’s chaste virgin bride

Not mixing faith in what we do see or hear would make the corrupted flesh of the Son of man profit when looking at the parables.
 

Nehemiah6

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Nice post, though I'm somewhat perplexed on the mentioning of the ending of His relationship with His mother when He began His ministry , could you give some more insight on this?
Just to clarify, what I meant is that the mother-son relationship ended when Christ entered into His earthly ministry (John 2:4). However, the Savior-disciple relationship began a little later, and Mary was always with the other women who were disciples of Christ, but she is not mentioned sometimes.

1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelvewere with him,

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And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,


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And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
(Luke 8:1-3).
 

Nehemiah6

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The corrupted flesh that the Son of man inherited from Mary as that in which Christ clearly stated ...did not profit, did not because it could not... Not mixing faith in what we do see or hear would make the corrupted flesh of the Son of man profit when looking at the parables.
I believe you are quite mistaken in labeling the human body of Christ as "corrupted flesh". The whole point of the virgin birth was so that the sin-nature of humanity would not taint the Savior. Therefore Scripture says that Christ had no sin and He did no sin.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens (Heb 7:26)

(Mary) She alone does not make up the bride of Christ
That is not even suggested in the OP or in Scripture.
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't believe the catholic hierarchy pray to the mother of the Messiah.
Perhaps you should dig a little deeper. Here is a quote from the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia regarding the "worship" of Mary:

"...Only a few isolated points can be touched upon in the development of Marian devotion since the Reformation. Foremost among these may be noticed the general introduction of the Litany of Loreto, which though, as we have seen, it had precursors in other lands as remote as Ireland in the ninth century, not to speak of isolated forms in the later [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Middle Ages[/FONT], itself only came into common use towards the close of the sixteenth century. The same may also be said of any general adoption of the second part of the [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Hail Mary[/FONT].

Another manifestation of great importance, which also like the last followed close after the
Council of Trent, was the institution of sodalities of the Blessed Virgin, particularly in houses of education, a movement mainly promoted by the influence and example of the Society of Jesus, whose members did so much, by the consecration of studies and other similar devices, to place the work of education under the patronage of Mary, the Queen of Purity.

To this period is also due, with some occasional exceptions, the multiplication in the
calendar of minor feasts of the Blessed Virgin, such as that of the Holy Name of Mary, the festumB.V.M. ad Nives, de Mercede, of the Rosary, de Bono Consilio, Auxilium Christianorum, and so on..."

Still later in
date (seventeenth century at earliest) is the adoption of the custom of consecrating the month of May to the Blessed Virgin by special observances, though the practice of reciting the
Rosary every day during the month of October can hardly be said to be older than the Rosary Encyclicals of Leo XIII.

Not much controversy was maintained regarding the
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Immaculate Conception[/FONT]
after the indirect pronouncement of the Council of Trent, but the dogma was only defined by Pius IX in 1854. Undoubtedly, however, the greatest stimulus to Marian devotion in recent times has been afforded by the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin in 1858 at Lourdes, and in the numberless supernatural favours granted to pilgrims, both there and at other shrines, that derive from it. The "miraculous medal" connected with the church of Notre-Dame des Victoires at Paris also deserves mention, as giving a great stimulus to this form of piety in the first half of the nineteenth century.
 

Jackson123

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I don't believe the catholic hierarchy pray to the mother of the Messiah.

Pagan worship being passed off as good.. I know many refuse to believe this.. and I once was none the wiser believing they were of GOD.. they put on such a religious show.. the Truth will become more apparent and many I pray will come out of the darkness by seeking the True light.

Remember that not all call upon the Almighty GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...
For sure Pope pray to Mary

likewise the peoples whose consecration you too are particularly awaiting. Take under your motherly protection the whole human family which we can consecrate to you, O mother
To You, O Mary! (written by Pope John-paul Ii - Prayers - Catholic Online

Pope pray to Mary to protect, Pope consecrate all human to Mary, not to Jesus
 

loveme1

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You have to realise that they worship their gods... and they try to mask it... all the idol worship goes way back.. with a queen of heavens and such... the pope is a man exalted by man.. dark spirits at work pretending to be good.. it is deep...

To deceive even the Elect if possible it be great deceptions...
 

mcubed

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This is a great post. the Scripture say come boldly to the Throne of Grace and receive mercy. We come boldly to G-d, Y-shua stands in intercession for us Hebrews tells us; no one else. Praying to any men or woman is PRAYING TO A FALSE gOD! What a great evil!!!! And yes, I’m referring to the apostles and to Mary!
 

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I was taught in catechism that seeing as how Jesus Christ's mother was a
virgin when he was conceived, then he didn't have a human father. Well;
that all depends on how we go about defining "father".

According to the book of Genesis; God created Adam's flesh from the earth's
dust. Not so Eve.

She was constructed from a human tissue sample amputated from Adam's
side. Thus Eve's flesh wasn't the flesh of a second species of h.sapiens. Her
flesh was biologically just as much Adam's flesh as Adam's except for
gender. In other words: Eve was the flip side of the same biological coin. In
point of fact, the Bible refers to Eve as Adam just as it refers to Adam as
Adam. (Gen 5:22)

From that point on; any human flesh biologically produced from Eve's flesh--
whether virgin conceived or naturally conceived --would be biologically just
as much Adam's flesh as Adam's because the source of its mother's flesh
was Adam's flesh.

So then; unless somebody can prove-- clearly, conclusively, and without
ambiguity, air tight and iron clad-- that Jesus Christ's mother wasn't
biologically related to either Adam or Eve; then we are forced to conclude
that Adam was the first in Jesus Christ's long line of biological fathers.

NOTE: It's commonly objected that women cannot provide the Y
chromosome necessary for producing a male child. And that's right; they
usually can't. However, seeing as how God constructed an entire woman
from a sample of man flesh; then I do not see how it would be any more
difficult for God to construct a dinky little Y chromosome from a sample of
woman flesh. And seeing as how woman flesh is just as much Adam's flesh,
then any Y chromosome that God might construct from woman flesh would
be produced from Adam's flesh seeing as how Eve's flesh was actually his.

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Nehemiah6

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So then; unless somebody can prove-- clearly, conclusively, and without
ambiguity, air tight and iron clad-- that Jesus Christ's mother wasn't biologically related to either Adam or Eve; then we are forced to conclude that Adam was the first in Jesus Christ's long line of biological fathers.
There is no Christian with some Bible knowledge who would dispute what you have said. Indeed Adam is found in the genealogy of Christ (Luke 3:38). So Mary's descent from Adam is not even an issue. The issue is that Jesus was supernaturally conceived by the Holy Ghost in Mary's womb while she was a virgin (Luke 1:26-35). This was a miracle of the highest degree, and it was absolutely necessary in order that Christ be "separate from sinner".

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
 

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Pray for all those who pray through Mary or asked Mary to intercede for them. They are still in darkness. They are been deceived by their tradition in their denominations. For it is written, "... And why do you transgress the commandment of GOD for the sake of your tradition? (Matthew 15:3)"

JESUS CHRIST is the only Mediator and the only Name given to us. HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the FATHER except through HIM.
 

Jackson123

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Pray for all those who pray through Mary or asked Mary to intercede for them. They are still in darkness. They are been deceived by their tradition in their denominations. For it is written, "... And why do you transgress the commandment of GOD for the sake of your tradition? (Matthew 15:3)"

JESUS CHRIST is the only Mediator and the only Name given to us. HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the FATHER except through HIM.
I ask to a catholic person, why you believe she hear your pray, he answere, she heal me from cancer after pray nivena for 1500 time.

Devil pretend to be Mary heal him. Devil is powerful. Remember when Moses turn a stick to snake, the magician did the same used the power of the devil
 
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I agree that Marian worship in various circles is the worship of the divine feminine...Mary is just one of many women used to personify that concept.

The occult means hidden, secret, so I agree there is that connection to ancient pagan worship which is not so hidden anymore


You have to realise that they worship their gods... and they try to mask it... all the idol worship goes way back.. with a queen of heavens and such... the pope is a man exalted by man.. dark spirits at work pretending to be good.. it is deep...

To deceive even the Elect if possible it be great deceptions...
 

loveme1

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I agree that Marian worship in various circles is the worship of the divine feminine...Mary is just one of many women used to personify that concept.

The occult means hidden, secret, so I agree there is that connection to ancient pagan worship which is not so hidden


anymore

Indeed, it runs deep... but many are able to see darkness with their given light.
 

Nehemiah6

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I agree that Marian worship in various circles is the worship of the divine feminine...Mary is just one of many women used to personify that concept.
It is significant that Catholic theology has made Mary "Queen of Heaven", since pagan goddesses went by exactly that title:

"Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title. In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title "Queen of Heaven" is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics,Orthodox, and some Anglican Christians now apply the ancient title to Mary, the mother of Jesus."
 
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Catholicism is basically ancient mystery religions of ritual and myths with a thin veneer of some Christian doctrine to cover its true nature

It is significant that Catholic theology has made Mary "Queen of Heaven", since pagan goddesses went by exactly that title:

"Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title. In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title "Queen of Heaven" is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics,Orthodox, and some Anglican Christians now apply the ancient title to Mary, the mother of Jesus."