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Yes and NO!
In John 18:33-38, Pilot ask Jesus if He was "Art thou the King of the Jews" (v.33). In verse 36, Jesus answers Pilot by saying "My kingdom is not of this world:"
However, Jesus qualifies HIS statement with the rest of verse 36: "if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Notice the very last part "but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Yes to your question, except Jesus meant what HE said. His Kingdom was not YET from this world. Other scriptures in the Bible tell us the Coming of His Kingdom including the Lord's Prayer.......
Matthew 6: 9-13.."........ Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11 Give us this day our daily bread.12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
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In John 18:33-38, Pilot ask Jesus if He was "Art thou the King of the Jews" (v.33). In verse 36, Jesus answers Pilot by saying "My kingdom is not of this world:"
However, Jesus qualifies HIS statement with the rest of verse 36: "if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Notice the very last part "but now is my kingdom not from hence."
Yes to your question, except Jesus meant what HE said. His Kingdom was not YET from this world. Other scriptures in the Bible tell us the Coming of His Kingdom including the Lord's Prayer.......
Matthew 6: 9-13.."........ Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11 Give us this day our daily bread.12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
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It appears your version leaves out the NOW which would change the outcome drastically.
My statement in #22: "if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
What version were you reading from?????????
My version of course is the KJV.
My statement in #22: "if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
What version were you reading from?????????
My version of course is the KJV.
You are trying to infer that by saying "now" that His Kingdom would be "of this world" later - that's really poor reasoning and not supportable in any version of the bible.
According to your theory His kingdom would become observable, yet Jesus himself said:
"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation".
According to your theory His kingdom would become observable, yet Jesus himself said:
"The kingdom of God cometh not with observation".
There is a lot more to the Millennial Kingdom which is revealed in the OT prophecies. So you would really need to start at Isaiah and work your way to Malachi. Even so, that is just the tip of the iceberg, since God has not granted us a complete revealtion of things to come, just glimpses here and there. Here is one glimpse (Isaiah 2:1-4):
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
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Ah you continue your shady dealings. A preterist through and through.......
We were speaking of John 18:33-38........Where Pilot ask Jesus if 'He was King of the Jews'.
Now you so deviously try to change to Luke 17: 20-23..
It appears you are a know it all...You apparently do not care what others have to say one way or the other. From this time forward, You are also on my list of .............................
We were speaking of John 18:33-38........Where Pilot ask Jesus if 'He was King of the Jews'.
Now you so deviously try to change to Luke 17: 20-23..
It appears you are a know it all...You apparently do not care what others have to say one way or the other. From this time forward, You are also on my list of .............................
I don't know why they think it's literal. When Jesus comes back He is not going to step foot on this earth. We will rise to Him. With that thinking, when the Bible says "The cattle on a thousand hills are Mine." does that mean the cattle on hill #1,001 are not His? Of course not. Therefore the number 1,000 means "all". Christians reigning with Christ for a thousand years means for forever (heaven). Technically we are already reigning with Him- we are His kingdom now and in heaven.
After the 1000 Years the final judgement happens and from that moment on no faulty human beings will exist.. The New Jerusalem will come out of heaven and down to mankind and we shall dwell in it with Jesus.. So the main difference between the millenium and after the millenium will be that imperfect people shall no longer exist on earth..
Just after the final judgement and the New heaven and New earth..
Revelation 20: KJV
12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. {13} And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
Revelation 20: KJV
12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. {13} And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
So are ya saying there are no fawlty humans in this new heaven and earth?
Have you read:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Looks to me like there are still fawlty sinners around.
Have you read:
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Looks to me like there are still fawlty sinners around.
The reasons Christians believe that there will be a literal Millennium is because God the Holy Spirit has presented the 1,000 years to us to be taken absolutely literally. One of the fundamental principles of Bible interpret is that when something is repeated by God several times, it is there for emphasis. Each time Jesus said "Verily, Verily" He was calling for our undivided attention to something that was critically important.
So when the Holy Spirit -- through the apostle John, and as part of "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" -- repeats "the thousand years" SIX TIMES in seven verses, it is there for us to take careful note and believe it.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
So when the Holy Spirit -- through the apostle John, and as part of "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" -- repeats "the thousand years" SIX TIMES in seven verses, it is there for us to take careful note and believe it.
- 1 Καὶ εἶδον ἄγγελον καταβαίνοντα ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ, ἔχοντα τὴν κλεῖδατῆς ἀβύσσου, Καὶ ἅλυσιν μεγάλην ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ.
- 2 Καὶ ἐκράτησε τὸν δράκοντα, τὸν ὄφιν τὸν ἀρχαῖον, ὅς ἐστι διάβολοςΚαὶ Σατανᾶς, Καὶ ἔδησεν αὐτὸν χίλια ἔτη,
- 3 Καὶ ἔβαλεν αὐτὸν εἰς τὴν ἄβυσσον, Καὶ ἔκλεισεν αὐτόν, Καὶἐσφράγισεν ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ, ἵνα μὴ πλανήσῃ τὰ ἔθνη ἔτι, ἄχρι τελεσθῇ τὰχίλια ἔτη· Καὶ μετὰ ταῦτα δεῖ αὐτὸν λυθῆναι μικρὸν χρόνον.
- 4 Καὶ εἶδον θρόνους, Καὶ ἐκάθισαν ἐπ’ αὐτούς, Καὶ κρίμα ἐδόθηαὐτοῖς· Καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων διὰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν ἸησοῦΚαὶ διὰ τὸν λόγον τοῦ Θεοῦ, Καὶ οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θηριῷ,οὐτὲ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, Καὶ οὐκ ἔλαβον τὸ χάραγμα ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωποναὐτῶν, Καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτῶν· Καὶ ἔζησαν Καὶ ἐβασίλευσαν μετὰΧριστοῦ χίλια ἔτη.
- 6 μακάριος Καὶ ἅγιος ὁ ἔχων μέρος ἐν τῇ ἀναστάσει τῇ πρώτῃ· ἐπὶτούτων ὁ θάνατος ὁ δεύτερος οὐκ ἔχει ἐξουσίαν, ἀλλ’ ἔσονται ἱερεῖςτοῦ Θεοῦ, Καὶ τοῦ Χριστοῦ, Καὶ βασιλεύσουσι μετ’ αὐτοῦ χίλια ἔτη.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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Check out the Bible and a concordance Revelation is the only place in the Bible that a thousand year millennium is mentioned in fact the word millennium is not in the original text. I comes from the Latin Vulgate translation and its made up of two Latin
words Mille meaning a thousand and Anum meaning Year.
In the bible 1000 represents a large number or a long period of time.
words Mille meaning a thousand and Anum meaning Year.
In the bible 1000 represents a large number or a long period of time.
In this case it means a literal 1000 years, just like it says six times. For God is intelligent enough to get his point across, just like with the number 144,000. That's what is written and that's what God meant. There is also a demonic army consisting of 200 million, which will be exactly that.
Are you getting the picture here? God is using all of these different numbers, being specific and making a distinction between them.
If God wanted to get the idea of a large number across to His readers, he would say "A great number which no man can count," just like He did in describing the great tribulation saints.
For the life of me, I can't understand why people are always ignoring the literal and going after the obscure? I mean, what would God have to do to get people to understand that when he wrote a thousand years, he meant a thousand years. When He wrote 144,000, He meant 144,000. Would he have to put a "No really" behind each number?
And I heard the number of those who were sealed 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. No really, I mean 144,000 and they are from the literal twelve tribes of Israel.
Are you getting the picture here? God is using all of these different numbers, being specific and making a distinction between them.
If God wanted to get the idea of a large number across to His readers, he would say "A great number which no man can count," just like He did in describing the great tribulation saints.
For the life of me, I can't understand why people are always ignoring the literal and going after the obscure? I mean, what would God have to do to get people to understand that when he wrote a thousand years, he meant a thousand years. When He wrote 144,000, He meant 144,000. Would he have to put a "No really" behind each number?
And I heard the number of those who were sealed 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. No really, I mean 144,000 and they are from the literal twelve tribes of Israel.
If the 1000 years is a literal figure does that mean that at the 1000th year people will know that the release of Satan and the rebellion is going to happen at the end of it? Who keeps count of the number of years? Do they run by the Jewish Calendar the western one or both? Seeing that the Sun Moon and stars fell from heaven and the heavens folded up like a scroll at the end of the tribulation, how will anyone keep count of the years anyway? These and other questions come to mind when one takes everything in the Bible literally.