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Scripture supports the Amil position where a thousand is used to represent an unknown as to what ever is in veiw, time senitive or not which was very active for over a thousand literal year, and forbids Premil or a literal thousand years after he returns in Spirit what some call dispensationalisim (three resurrections) a newer theory that came about from some woman named Margret Mc Donald who claims to have received visions as new revelations from God even tough that s not possible.
The second ccoming in Spirit and not the flesh (God is not a man as us) brings a close to the day of salvation. The last day a phrase used six time in the book of John . Over and over scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. When Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked.
Peter respoding to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: "the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. The sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13).
The age to come has no room for corrupted flesh (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalms 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).
This would be a convincingargum ent to me that the second coming is “the end.”
John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at "the climactic return of Christ". This would be another strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.” Those who do walk by sight are looking for the Spirt of Christ to come again in the flesh for another demonstration . We walk by faith. And ilke the question.When He coames will he find fith or men looking for another outward demonstration.
Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5) all show that the end of the bondage of corrupt occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.” the last day, the day of the Lord like a theif in the night .
The veil is rent indicating the end of temple service.Christ has come in the flesh once as he promised (not twice in the flesh)No need to cruicify him over and over the work is finished
1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”
The second ccoming in Spirit and not the flesh (God is not a man as us) brings a close to the day of salvation. The last day a phrase used six time in the book of John . Over and over scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. When Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked.
Peter respoding to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: "the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. The sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13).
The age to come has no room for corrupted flesh (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalms 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).
This would be a convincingargum ent to me that the second coming is “the end.”
John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at "the climactic return of Christ". This would be another strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.” Those who do walk by sight are looking for the Spirt of Christ to come again in the flesh for another demonstration . We walk by faith. And ilke the question.When He coames will he find fith or men looking for another outward demonstration.
Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5) all show that the end of the bondage of corrupt occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.” the last day, the day of the Lord like a theif in the night .
The veil is rent indicating the end of temple service.Christ has come in the flesh once as he promised (not twice in the flesh)No need to cruicify him over and over the work is finished
1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”
Its not a matter of salvation but a way of walking (understanding the Holy Spiit by faith, the unseen manner of hearing the voice of God a right as he designed through his poetic language hid from the lost .Thousand is used to represent a unknown of what ever is in view in the parables. Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not.
Yeah it does,,,,a 1000 years is a long time. The English language is not as perfect as the Latin Vulgate.... In fact, we get most of our words from a Latin Root word. Oh, you speak them as well.... It is convenient for you and others to trash anything that gets in your way instead of simple READING the LITTERAL WORD of GOD.
SO SAD!
The point is without parable Christ the word of God spoke not.Refusing to follow the prescriptions needed to rightfully divide does not make them without effect
He is intelligent enough to use His poetic language in a parable that hides the spiritual unseen meaning from the lost.We walk by faith that comes from hearing the spiritual understanding and not the temporal as that seen (the flesh of men)
In that parable found in Revelation 20 the things shown are signified showing us a parable is at hand. The literal chain symbolizes signifing the binding authority of the gospel just as the thousand years signified speaks of an unknown time (thief in the night)
Yes as signified. Different numbers signify the different purposes’ in those parables. Twelve is used to represent the authority of God in its fullness . The whole loaf.
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Yes describing all the saints as his chaste virgin bride. "A great number which no man can count,"Not describing an outward unconverted Jew.
Thousand is used in that parable (Revelation 7) Tribes that represent gates by which we enter fellowship with Christ (not fellowship with an outward unconverted Jew) or 12 apostles that represent the walls together as one spiritual house of God , point to the wife or bride of Christ coming down on the last day .the end of time.
12,000 times twelve thousand (144,000) points to that one bride the whole church as His chaste virgin bride. Not a outward Jewish males that have no had a sexual experience.That kind of idea is foreign to the scriptures.At the most it looks to vererate Jewish flesh for some reason or other?
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man "could" number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, (all the nations of the world) stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
He does not use the term "not really" when speaking n parables
Makes me wonder why when looking at parable some resist the spiritual understanding? It would seem those who are not walking by faith (not seen) but walking by sight.
Tribes signify gates by which we enter into fellowship with Christ not fellowship with the flesh of a outward Jew.
God is no respecter of persons. Flesh is flesh no matter was color it is painted with. Even Christ said of his own temporal flesh it profits for nothing, nada, zip
He is intelligent enough to use His poetic language in a parable that hides the spiritual unseen meaning from the lost.We walk by faith that comes from hearing the spiritual understanding and not the temporal as that seen (the flesh of men)
In that parable found in Revelation 20 the things shown are signified showing us a parable is at hand. The literal chain symbolizes signifing the binding authority of the gospel just as the thousand years signified speaks of an unknown time (thief in the night)
Yes as signified. Different numbers signify the different purposes’ in those parables. Twelve is used to represent the authority of God in its fullness . The whole loaf.
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Yes describing all the saints as his chaste virgin bride. "A great number which no man can count,"Not describing an outward unconverted Jew.
Thousand is used in that parable (Revelation 7) Tribes that represent gates by which we enter fellowship with Christ (not fellowship with an outward unconverted Jew) or 12 apostles that represent the walls together as one spiritual house of God , point to the wife or bride of Christ coming down on the last day .the end of time.
12,000 times twelve thousand (144,000) points to that one bride the whole church as His chaste virgin bride. Not a outward Jewish males that have no had a sexual experience.That kind of idea is foreign to the scriptures.At the most it looks to vererate Jewish flesh for some reason or other?
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man "could" number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, (all the nations of the world) stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
He does not use the term "not really" when speaking n parables
Makes me wonder why when looking at parable some resist the spiritual understanding? It would seem those who are not walking by faith (not seen) but walking by sight.
Tribes signify gates by which we enter into fellowship with Christ not fellowship with the flesh of a outward Jew.
God is no respecter of persons. Flesh is flesh no matter was color it is painted with. Even Christ said of his own temporal flesh it profits for nothing, nada, zip
We read the literal words in order to receive the spiritual understanding . How do you find the spiritual undertanding acording to the literal words?
What do the literal words ...without parables Christ spoke not to the multitude(everyone) mean ? SO SAD?
Why did he speak in parables as proverbs ? Do we ignore the spiritual understandings?
What do the literal words ...without parables Christ spoke not to the multitude(everyone) mean ? SO SAD?
Why did he speak in parables as proverbs ? Do we ignore the spiritual understandings?
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What is the difference between a very long period of time and an indeterminate period of time?
The number 1000 is used in other places in the Bible. In Isaiah God says the Cattle on a thousand hills are mine. Do we take this literally? Does it mean that those on hill 1001 are not his or do we take it to mean that those on every hill are his. Should we think of an indeterminate number of hills?
The number 1000 is used in other places in the Bible. In Isaiah God says the Cattle on a thousand hills are mine. Do we take this literally? Does it mean that those on hill 1001 are not his or do we take it to mean that those on every hill are his. Should we think of an indeterminate number of hills?
I'm so tired of people trying to use the scripture above to demonstrate that we can't know what God is saying to us. So here is the scripture:
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The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
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So, the people that Jesus was speaking parables to was that generation of Israel and that in fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah against them.
Did you see the Lord's answer which says "But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."?
In saying "Your eyes" he was speaking to the disciples and therefore all believers throughout the entire church period.
In short, the word of God is not a parable that the church cannot understand. The thousand is not a spiritual thousand so that its length can't be known.
Your error is in assuming that God was using poetifc language and that is a parable. There is nothing parabolic about Rev.20:1-7. When it states that Satan is going to be bound in the Abyss for a thousand years, that's what it means. When it states that they will rule with Christ for a thousand years, that's what it means.
A theme of a parable is symbolism representing what is literal. There is no spiritualism to it. The only spiritualism is in your own head.
You have no clue as to what the word of God says and you therefore should not even utter scripture. All you are doing is aiding in its distortion.
First of all, that great number of white robed saints is not the bride. This is who they are:
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language"
So according to the verse above, those in white robes which no man can count are Gentile believers, And then the elder tells John:
"These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The same great tribulation that tanakh says is not mentioned anywhere in scripture, yet there it is right in plain view.
The very fact that the elder is asking John who this group is, demonstrates that they are not the church, not to mention that after the end of chapter 3 the word church is never used again. It drops out abruptly.
Well let's see if your assumption (an that is all that it is) is supported by scripture:
"Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel"
Nope! It doesn't! The scripture is clear in that they are 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. John even breaks the 144,000 into 12,000 per tribe.
Garee, you have got parable on the brains! You invent things that are not there. You ignore the literal writing of scripture and opt for spiritual mumbo jumbo that isn't there.
My point being that, it is impossible for God to speak literally to you and people like you, because you don't believe his word, but instead you ignore what his word says and make up your own meaning.
No, tribes do not signify gates, but is referring to the literal twelve tribes of Israel, which are called by name and your told right in the scripture that they come out of Israel.
The immediate context should always be considered first. There is no reason for the reader to go look at what Psalm 50:10 says in order to apply it to this verse in Revelation. A thousand hills and the cattle on them should be restricted to Psalm 50:10 and not applied anywhere else. What is so difficult in reading "a thousand years" and believing that it means a thousand years? Why do you ignore the obvious and go looking for the obscure?
Forget about applying Psalm 50:10 to Rev.20:1 thru 7 and believe what the scripture is literally saying. For there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to look for a symbolic or allegorical interpretation.
What is really sad is that you and others on site can only understand the literal level of Scripture and miss the deeper meaning of it all. Instead of giving lessons in Latin I suggest you do a study of the Jewish way of understanding Scripture as used by Jesus Paul and others who concentrated on the Spirit of Scripture rather than the letter.
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Jesus and the Apostles used a Jewish method of interpretation called Midrash. There are two books by Pastor Edward Vasicek that explain it. They are The Midrash Key and the Amazing Doctrines of Paul as Midrash. They can be purchased on Amazon. Edward Vasicek is the Pastor of the Highland Park Church in Illinois. He and the church have a websitejust write in Pastor Edward Vasicek and you will find it.
People and places have meanings in Scripture that reveal their natures in relation to God and Man. Certain numbers and multiples of numbers also have meanings such as 6,7 and 12 that are repeated throughout the bible. Youngs Analytical Concordance provides Lexicons of Hebrew and Greek names and places towards the back of the book. Many books connected to the Jewish roots movement also explain the way Jewish interpretation of Scripture is used although one has to be careful of legalistic doctrines when reading some of them.
People and places have meanings in Scripture that reveal their natures in relation to God and Man. Certain numbers and multiples of numbers also have meanings such as 6,7 and 12 that are repeated throughout the bible. Youngs Analytical Concordance provides Lexicons of Hebrew and Greek names and places towards the back of the book. Many books connected to the Jewish roots movement also explain the way Jewish interpretation of Scripture is used although one has to be careful of legalistic doctrines when reading some of them.
Jesus was a Jew, his Disciples were Jews, the early church was mainly made up of Jews. What I am talking about is the way they interpreted and wrote scripture through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Pharisees and of modern Judaism was not based on Scripture but on man made tradition which is now included in the Talmud which was and is still claimed to be oral tradition given by God to Moses and is regarded by them as equal to the written Torah.