New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)

[Dino246]

Hi Dino,

Thanks for your observation with my post but you missed one thing that the KJV is purified text of the earlier English translations except Rheims Douay, a Catholic Bible. What i said is that KJV is a pure inspired scriptures in English.

As per reasoning is concern, the Lord says: "Come let us reason together..." I bet I will let used His words instead of human reasoning. Human reasoning still fails as compared to the words of God which is much clearer. I just observed that I haven't seen you yet on your many posts exegeting God's word, using God's word, referencing God's word but rather used mostly or worked on human reasoning. It's more on logic not of faith!

If you want sources of our faith, then it first comes from the Bible.

God bless

Thanks Fredo,
I appreciate your respectful interaction, even when we disagree.

I don't accept the idea that the KJV is the "pure" inspired scriptures in English in the sense that every single word is the exact word that God wanted in English, partly because that would require the acceptance of known translational errors. As I've written to John146, translation simply does not work in a word-for-word pattern between languages. While it is theoretically possible for God to do such, I don't see evidence that He actually did such with any translation, and certainly not with the KJV.

My posts in other threads do quote and reference God's word. In this thread, I am usually addressing faulty arguments which are best dealt with by reason, not directly by Scripture. God gave us reason as well as faith, and the two are not mutually exclusive!

 

[preacher4truth]

KJV has too many mistakes to be "the pure word of God." I trust completely in Jesus and in several modern versions of Scripture that all convey the Gospel to us from the Greek into our language today.

They are wonderful translations! There is no such thing as a "perfect" word for word from Greek to English translation, thus the many versions which say the same things. I'd put the KJV toward the end of the list of accurate versions. It was a good start though from what they had back then from Erasmus. The translators rightly, and wisely looked forward to better translations.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Nope, not the perfect word of God. Where do you go to find absolute truth? Either you have a bible you trust completely, or you trust in your own scholarship. There is no other choice. Oh, the other choice would be, you don't have access to the word of God. Which one is it?

What bible before the KJV was the perfect word of God?

Was there a perfect word of God prior to the 1611 KJV?

 

[SovereignGrace]

KJV has too many mistakes to be "the pure word of God." I trust completely in Jesus and in several modern versions of Scripture that all convey the Gospel to us from the Greek into our language today.

They are wonderful translations! There is no such thing as a "perfect" word for word from Greek to English translation, thus the many versions which say the same things. I'd put the KJV toward the end of the list of accurate versions. It was a good start though from what they had back then from Erasmus. The translators rightly, and wisely looked forward to better translations.

Allow me to translate this.

He prefers the NIV over all other translations. Even over the ESV.

I need to be your stenographer.

 

[fredoheaven]

Thanks Fredo,
I appreciate your respectful interaction, even when we disagree.

I don't accept the idea that the KJV is the "pure" inspired scriptures in English in the sense that every single word is the exact word that God wanted in English, partly because that would require the acceptance of known translational errors. As I've written to John146, translation simply does not work in a word-for-word pattern between languages. While it is theoretically possible for God to do such, I don't see evidence that He actually did such with any translation, and certainly not with the KJV.

My posts in other threads do quote and reference God's word. In this thread, I am usually addressing faulty arguments which are best dealt with by reason, not directly by Scripture. God gave us reason as well as faith, and the two are not mutually exclusive!

By the purity of words means there were no errors in the English words used in the KJV though some attempted to discredit KJV is of old, outdated or archaic. These arguments are simply discredited for untrue and there are certain treatments that can be used so that those words need to be retained. If archaism is true then we have no pure bible since the 20 century words is a bit different in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] ce. words. Still, I have found no known translational errors in the KJV only alleged translational errors. Alleged errors in the KJV were mostly of spelling errors. Still I believed in God’s word in the English KJV saying:

Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.


I think it will be helpful to demonstrate your claim of the translational errors you are trying to espouse with the KJV. This might be my personal study or can be answered by the other members of this forum.

God bless

 

[fredoheaven]

KJV has too many mistakes to be "the pure word of God." I trust completely in Jesus and in several modern versions of Scripture that all convey the Gospel to us from the Greek into our language today.

They are wonderful translations! There is no such thing as a "perfect" word for word from Greek to English translation, thus the many versions which say the same things. I'd put the KJV toward the end of the list of accurate versions. It was a good start though from what they had back then from Erasmus. The translators rightly, and wisely looked forward to better translations.

We agree that there is no word for word Greek to English translation. Real KJVo’s do not claim a word for word translation. The KJ translators did not depend solely in the Erasmus printed Greek text but the many Translations or earlier versions of various languages from Latin, French, German Bible etc. Including Catholic Rheim’s Douay being diligently compared.

 

[trofimus]

Facts are facts. Whether from spain, UK, KJV or Vatican.

In such case I hope you will stop your arguments like "its labeled by Vatican".

But you will have no arguments left, then?

 

[trofimus]

To all my non-KJVO friends. Which one of the following are you?

1. The Bible I completely trust in is the ____________________. Fill in the blank.

2. I do not have access to the word of God.

3. I trust in my own scholarship when it comes to what God has said.

Your tactics is the same as the tactics of JW and any other sect. They prepare their own manipulating questions and are not listening what people really believe, at all.

 

[John146]

You have some "need" to have one "word-perfect" Bible. I don't have that need, and I don't rely exclusively on any one translation. I trust that the translators of the Bibles in English were generally well-intentioned and adequately knowledgeable to do the work, and that I can fact-check any word or passage against other translations and references to see if it is a valid translation. That is relying on the scholarship of others, not of myself. I can also see that every translation has strengths and weaknesses.

Further, I know enough about translation in general that I know that one language does not translate "word-perfect" into another. Translation simply doesn't work that way. You have been told this repeatedly, but you refuse to accept it. It's fine to argue that God "can" do such, and I don't disagree with that by itself. However, I don't believe that is what happens in the actual work of translation, and I certainly don't believe it happened with the KJV.

Scholarshiponlyism it is...

 

[John146]

KJV has too many mistakes to be "the pure word of God." I trust completely in Jesus and in several modern versions of Scripture that all convey the Gospel to us from the Greek into our language today.

They are wonderful translations! There is no such thing as a "perfect" word for word from Greek to English translation, thus the many versions which say the same things. I'd put the KJV toward the end of the list of accurate versions. It was a good start though from what they had back then from Erasmus. The translators rightly, and wisely looked forward to better translations.

Scholarshiponlyism it is...

 

[John146]

Your tactics is the same as the tactics of JW and any other sect. They prepare their own manipulating questions and are not listening what people really believe, at all.

Is there another choice? Post it then...

 

[SoMuchWorkToDo]

Whole************

 

[trofimus]

Is there another choice? Post it then...

First, you make (wrong) equation between word of God, Scriptures and a printed Bible edition.

You use them freely as synonyms, which they are not.


Words of God - prophecies and other inspired ideas/information given by God to mankind generally or to me specifically.

Scriptures - texts made by inspired authors

Bible - a specific printed edition of a specific translation of selected compilation of Scriptures

 

[SoMuchWorkToDo]

saying he preserved his word doesnt necessarily mean there will be one ttue bible with no wordly influence. He didnt name the mechanism he would use for the preservation.. I personally think its the hebrew language but God can do anything just stay in Gods word and seek him and he will lead you

 

[Dai3234]

KJV has too many mistakes to be "the pure word of God." I trust completely in Jesus and in several modern versions of Scripture that all convey the Gospel to us from the Greek into our language today.

They are wonderful translations! There is no such thing as a "perfect" word for word from Greek to English translation, thus the many versions which say the same things. I'd put the KJV toward the end of the list of accurate versions. It was a good start though from what they had back then from Erasmus. The translators rightly, and wisely looked forward to better translations.

Your either a little misleading or confused. Which Greek language?? Antioch or Alexander. They're similar to English and archaic English. The Greek is different, and Alexandria Egypt, isn't that place a no go area for Jews?? In the Bible??

Hmmm, 86,000+ word changes and alterations in new versions, going from the texts that don't agree with THEMSELVES?
What KJV errors bother you so much that you go to another Greek language??

 

[Dai3234]

In such case I hope you will stop your arguments like "its labeled by Vatican".

But you will have no arguments left, then?

Then go look up what I mentioned and realise what in saying about it being catholic influenced. Then you will have facts. The brand new version, which most new Bibles did not have during their creation, has the Catholic authority printed in the Nestle's text.

The new versions are supported by the Vatican and the KJV is not, because the new versions mirror the Catholic Douey Rheims bible that is catholic.

If your just not going to bother looking, then go away, your wasting my time.

 

[Bogadile]

What bible before the KJV was the perfect word of God?

Was there a perfect word of God prior to the 1611 KJV?

I would like an answer to this question too. Tyndale? Who knows, lets wait if someone can answer.

 

[trofimus]

Then go look up what I mentioned and realise what in saying about it being catholic influenced. Then you will have facts. The brand new version, which most new Bibles did not have during their creation, has the Catholic authority printed in the Nestle's text.

The new versions are supported by the Vatican and the KJV is not, because the new versions mirror the Catholic Douey Rheims bible that is catholic.

If your just not going to bother looking, then go away, your wasting my time.

Take the Nestlé Aland and show me the catholic authority printed in it. I have it prepared both online and in my room. I am ready to check it.

 

[Snoozy]

I would like an answer to this question too. Tyndale? Who knows, lets wait if someone can answer.

if there is a new translation made from da same textus receptus as king james its good. its all about what bible u are translating.

 

[KJV1611]

I would like an answer to this question too. Tyndale? Who knows, lets wait if someone can answer.

You have to read a bible for quite a while to know if it's the perfect word of God or not. I doubt you will find anybody who can answer that question due to nobody reads those bibles any more.