New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)
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This is a complex issue with no easy answer. Hebrew does not transliterate well into English, which is why transliterated versions tend to sound clumsy. I own the complete works of Shakespeare. I enjoy Elizabethan English. King James is hard to get through even for me. People aren't put off by the thees and thous -- it really is a clumsy book to read. That's part of the reason for so many "easier" translations.
But that doesn't mean every new translation is good. All we can do is keep a sharp eye, learn what we can of Hebrew or Greek, and prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to lead us. After all, even the best English version is still a reprint of a different language.
But that doesn't mean every new translation is good. All we can do is keep a sharp eye, learn what we can of Hebrew or Greek, and prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to lead us. After all, even the best English version is still a reprint of a different language.
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How about we all read the KJV or the NIV whatever one you can understand the most,but before you start to read pray and ask Jesus for guidance,understanding,and for us all to be able to accept and do his will with what we have learned individually.We all have our own path,lets try to focus on what Jesus want us to do individually,by asking him what to say or do for our own life's .
Well perhaps not consciously "in league with Satan" but certainly unconsciously promoting his agenda. Satan's agenda from the very beginning was to cast aspersions on God and cast doubt on the Word of God. Hence "YEA HATH GOD SAID...? (Gen 3:1). What many (if not most) Christians have failed to grasp as yet (and this is tragic) is:
1. Scripture = The Word of God = every word in the original Hebrew and Greek was a word given by the Holy Spirit.
2. There can be only one true and uncorrupted Bible, since there is only one God, and only one Word of God.
3. When there is a multiplicity of Bibles and they present huge variations from the tried and true English translation of 400+ years, that should automatically be a red flag.
4. By introducing conflicting Bible versions, Satan's goals of sowing the seeds of doubt and spiritual confusion are accomplished through Bible publishers and the fans of the modern versions.
5. The very fact that there is division among Christians because of the Bible version issue is proof that Satan has succeeded in sowing discord among the brethren.
6. The Authorized Version (the KJV) became THE only English Bible in all English-speaking countries for over 300 years, and millions of souls were saved through the preaching of the Gospel from this Bible. If that does not count for anything, then we are of all men most miserable.
7. Even secular scholars of the English language hold the KJV in very high regard, not only because it is an outstanding piece of English literature, but did in fact mold the English language. That too should count for something.
8. The whole Bible version controversy began because of a hoax perpetrated by Westcott & Hort, the two men primarily responsible for a completely different Greek text of the New Testament, and the English Revised Version of 1881 based upon that text. The hoax was essentially that the thousands of Greek manuscripts back of the traditional or Byzantine text of the NT were worthless in comparison to two corrupt Greek manuscripts -- Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus -- simply because they were deemed to be the oldest uncials (capital letter manuscripts) in existence. What was ignored and suppressed was the fact that these two manuscripts (along with a handful of others) were Gnostic corruptions which had bee rejected by Christians and set aside (hence their survival).
9. All modern Bible versions are based on "critical texts" for both the Hebrew and Greek, which means that the texts were tampered with by textual scholars who really did not believe in the sacredness of every word of Scripture.
10. There are several clear warnings in the Bible that men are not to add to or subtract from word of God. Yet that is exactly what you will find in modern Bible versions, where there literally thousands of additions, subtractions, and transpositions, many of which affect doctrine.
11. There is no question that an updated King James Bible would be very helpful, and in fact there are several. Yet no one bothers to talk about them.
12. At least some Christians are fully convinced, based up THE FACTS of the matter, that the KJV is still the most faithful, most reliable, and most outstanding of all the English translations in existence.
1. Scripture = The Word of God = every word in the original Hebrew and Greek was a word given by the Holy Spirit.
2. There can be only one true and uncorrupted Bible, since there is only one God, and only one Word of God.
3. When there is a multiplicity of Bibles and they present huge variations from the tried and true English translation of 400+ years, that should automatically be a red flag.
4. By introducing conflicting Bible versions, Satan's goals of sowing the seeds of doubt and spiritual confusion are accomplished through Bible publishers and the fans of the modern versions.
5. The very fact that there is division among Christians because of the Bible version issue is proof that Satan has succeeded in sowing discord among the brethren.
6. The Authorized Version (the KJV) became THE only English Bible in all English-speaking countries for over 300 years, and millions of souls were saved through the preaching of the Gospel from this Bible. If that does not count for anything, then we are of all men most miserable.
7. Even secular scholars of the English language hold the KJV in very high regard, not only because it is an outstanding piece of English literature, but did in fact mold the English language. That too should count for something.
8. The whole Bible version controversy began because of a hoax perpetrated by Westcott & Hort, the two men primarily responsible for a completely different Greek text of the New Testament, and the English Revised Version of 1881 based upon that text. The hoax was essentially that the thousands of Greek manuscripts back of the traditional or Byzantine text of the NT were worthless in comparison to two corrupt Greek manuscripts -- Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus -- simply because they were deemed to be the oldest uncials (capital letter manuscripts) in existence. What was ignored and suppressed was the fact that these two manuscripts (along with a handful of others) were Gnostic corruptions which had bee rejected by Christians and set aside (hence their survival).
9. All modern Bible versions are based on "critical texts" for both the Hebrew and Greek, which means that the texts were tampered with by textual scholars who really did not believe in the sacredness of every word of Scripture.
10. There are several clear warnings in the Bible that men are not to add to or subtract from word of God. Yet that is exactly what you will find in modern Bible versions, where there literally thousands of additions, subtractions, and transpositions, many of which affect doctrine.
11. There is no question that an updated King James Bible would be very helpful, and in fact there are several. Yet no one bothers to talk about them.
12. At least some Christians are fully convinced, based up THE FACTS of the matter, that the KJV is still the most faithful, most reliable, and most outstanding of all the English translations in existence.
Inspired does not mean dictated.
If your Bible is a material object, it is "corrupted" somehow. And the KJV is corrupted probably more than any good modern translation.
And democracy should be a red flag to a dictature. Or many protestant churches should be a red flag to the RCC.
Every freedom brings a plurality of opinions.
Is it not you who seeds doubt and spiritual confusion saying to the most of Christians that they cannot trust their Bibles when they do not use the one from the dark middle ages?
Ok, so do not make this division and stop posting for "the KJV Only".
Millions of souls were saved through the preaching of the Gospel from other Bibles. For "to be saved" you actually need just some simple message.
Cultural impact is quite irrelevant. Every middle ages Bible translation had a big impact on the language development. In German, French, Spanish, Czech etc.
Prove that these were used by Gnostics or set aside form the reason of their "corruption".
The KJV OT is based on Jewish very heavily tempered with text from the middle ages.
The KJV NT is based on the critical text compiled by a Roman Catholic Erasmus who made this compilation only for the reason to prove his Latin translation is better than Vulgate.
From evil intention. Not from a true seeking for the original text.
Also, we can say it was added or taken from the KJV and new versions just return to the right text.
Ok. I do not know "useful for what", but if they think its important to do...
You can find at least some Christians to be fully convinced of every possible and imaginable error.
If your Bible is a material object, it is "corrupted" somehow. And the KJV is corrupted probably more than any good modern translation.
And democracy should be a red flag to a dictature. Or many protestant churches should be a red flag to the RCC.
Every freedom brings a plurality of opinions.
Is it not you who seeds doubt and spiritual confusion saying to the most of Christians that they cannot trust their Bibles when they do not use the one from the dark middle ages?
Ok, so do not make this division and stop posting for "the KJV Only".
Millions of souls were saved through the preaching of the Gospel from other Bibles. For "to be saved" you actually need just some simple message.
Cultural impact is quite irrelevant. Every middle ages Bible translation had a big impact on the language development. In German, French, Spanish, Czech etc.
Prove that these were used by Gnostics or set aside form the reason of their "corruption".
The KJV OT is based on Jewish very heavily tempered with text from the middle ages.
The KJV NT is based on the critical text compiled by a Roman Catholic Erasmus who made this compilation only for the reason to prove his Latin translation is better than Vulgate.
From evil intention. Not from a true seeking for the original text.
Also, we can say it was added or taken from the KJV and new versions just return to the right text.
Ok. I do not know "useful for what", but if they think its important to do...
You can find at least some Christians to be fully convinced of every possible and imaginable error.
I know many churches getting their clocks cleaned through law suits because your dear old King Jimmy does not say the word homosexual....anywhere.....the radical LBGT folks are going into small to medium sized KJV & AKJV only bible churches and challenging their bylaws and winning law suits in mass.
for example,
If you are a KJV & AKJV only bible church and your bylaws state that you only recognize the KJV or AKJV as the most faithful, most reliable, and most outstanding of all the English translations in existence and only will use the KJV or AKJV Bible.
You also state in your bylaws that you recognize marriage as only between a man and woman as identified in your Bible of choice, the KJV or AKJV. you have no legal standing at all and will be challenged if a homosexual couple comes to your church and asks you to marry them....
You also will have no legal standing at all if you preach a scathing message condemning the homosexual lifestyle if you preach it out of your churches Bible of choice, the KJV or AKJV.
WHY?
These versions do not use the exact English word Homosexual......
so if you have a homosexual couple come into your church and you preach that message or refuse to marry them solely based on your insistence that the KJV or AKJV are the most faithful, most reliable, and most outstanding of all the English translations in existence and it so states this in your bylaws...they can and will SUE you for discrimination and worse...and the legal argument used is that you are proclaiming that your spiritual authority to preach that "hate" message is predicated upon a Bible that does not plainly use the English word homosexual....so it does not refer to them and therefore you have discriminated against them....
We used to only see this in large[600-1000] to avg sized medium churches[500-250], but now we are seeing it in the medium[200-150] to small [150-10]
Wow... you change your entire worldview based on two biased videos on YouTube? That makes you gullible. Don't worry, it's not a sin in itself, just a fruit of the Fall.
Please, for the sake of your faith, do some balanced research, beginning with reading James White's book, "The King James Only Controversy" (2nd. ed.).
Please, for the sake of your faith, do some balanced research, beginning with reading James White's book, "The King James Only Controversy" (2nd. ed.).
Romans 1, KJV, still makes the meaning clear.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
"Better art and better literature"... by what objective standard? I agree with your first sentence, but the last sentence is merely your opinion. Check out the art by Maxfield Parrish or Robert Bateman, and the literature of C.S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, P.D. James, or Lucy Maud Montgomery. You may find some you like, even if your opinion stands. 