New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)

[Magenta]

Others from the KJV

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Timothy 1:10-11 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

[Blain]

Hi folks,
I've been King James only ever since reading about the history of the bible also watching 2 videos on youtube

the fuel project's know your enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omEec_ez7yo

Framing the world's New world order Bible versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ&t=1643s

for background research if you haven't seen these movies already. Know your enemy is a good series to watch if you are new to the concept of the new world order and new world order bible versions is good at explaining the angle once you are aware of the new world order.

For me reading about the history of the bible was an eye opener learning about terms like textus receptus, the latin vulgate etc.
How the catholic church supressed the word for the masses and made dependent the church for the word of God.
How the catholic church went after versions like the geneva and great bible aswell as the king james version because it was a threat to its market on cornering the word of God for the masses.
That the king james bible can be published by any publisher without cost to the owner (crown owned)
to publish a NIV bible you need to give Rupert Murdoch his Cut.

I do think that the new wave of different bible versions is an attempt to change the word of God from the king james version. Since the king James version (KJV) is the most published bible from its first edition in 1611.

The framing the world video goes into detail as to what is changed and shows a trend as to what is changed in the bible and how this causes doctrinal differences between the different versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

here is a outline of omitted verses.

key differences is like prayer and fasting and every word of God etc.

an example of a major change...

Isaiah 14:12
Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Key difference is lucifer is missing from the modern bible versions and the reference to the morning star.

the question I have is would you go back to a NIV after learning of this agenda?

Hi I have not read the rest of thread yet only your post here but I am wanting to discuss your theory. Firstly I want to know what makes you think the kjv is the one true bible? what evidence do you have to support this belief?

 

[Meggido]

Romans 1, KJV, still makes the meaning clear.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We know of a church that used Romans 1 as a defense as you suggest in your post and it backfired even worse....were does the term homosexual at in this passage...The Law does not argue a spiritual idea....they argue terms and definitions and the secular world has defined those terms....they were forced to settle and it almost closed the church...

You prove what I see every day...Christian get smug and arrogant thinking they won't be touched....let me tell you ladies and gentleman its going to get far worse than some of you believe you will stand for....

 

[Locutus]

I like the King Wilhelm Version - das ist einen guten....

 

[RamahDesjardin]

I own several books from CS Lewis, and I'm a huge fan of Churchill. On the whole, what we call the middle ages was a time of great literature, and Lewis often complained that his generation had gone astray from it.

 

[Dino246]

...
2. There can be only one true and uncorrupted Bible, since there is only one God, and only one Word of God.

Yes... the original manuscripts. I'd ask if you have a copy, but...

...
4. By introducing conflicting Bible versions, Satan's goals of sowing the seeds of doubt and spiritual confusion are accomplished through Bible publishers and the fans of the modern versions.

Another interesting point based on poor logic. If we followed yours, we'd be using Wycliffe, or all be fluent in Greek and Hebrew.

...
12. At least some Christians are fully convinced, based up THE FACTS of the matter, that the KJV is still the most faithful, most reliable, and most outstanding of all the English translations in existence.

Some Christians are equally convinced, based on the facts, that the KJV is not the most faithful, reliable, or outstanding English translations.

 

[Meggido]

Others from the KJV

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Timothy 1:10-11 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I do not have the time to play semantics with you mag....We have seen the evidence of lawyers pick apart the very verses you try to use in defense....



1 Tim 1.10-NASB

[SUP]10 [/SUP]and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

 

[NotmebutHim]

To be sure, there are some translations/versions that I will steer away from, such as the Message and the New World Translation (JW).

I was raised on the KJV, and that's the version of my baptism gift Bible. It is one of my favorite translations.
I have a NKJV that I use for study and to quote Scriptures from
I use a NIV (original iteration) and a HCSB at church.
I have a NLT, but I don't read it as much as I used to.

 

[Paisley_buddie]

Wow... you change your entire worldview based on two biased videos on YouTube? That makes you gullible. Don't worry, it's not a sin in itself, just a fruit of the Fall.

Please, for the sake of your faith, do some balanced research, beginning with reading James White's book, "The King James Only Controversy" (2nd. ed.).

I said I have read into the history of the bible and that was before I had watched the 2 videos (13 hours of viewing between the 2) how can you come to the conclusion of bias when you haven't even watched them?

 

[Paisley_buddie]

That would be too long. I can watch these videos later. For now, you can write down for example 3 points you think are the best.

Hebrews 9:10 Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
The NIV version refers to new order instead of the new things to come.
this might be regarded as a small change but is noticable.

hebrews 1:8 Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
the NIV says about the son rather in unto the son

Luke 2:33 The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
The KJV said joesph and his mother in the NIV it says father and mother refering joesph as the father.

 

[John146]

The original mss written by Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Ezra, Nahum, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter...

What you're saying is we have no final authority to go by as far as what God has said.

No final authority = man is the final authority

 

[trofimus]

Hebrews 9:10 Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
The NIV version refers to new order instead of the new things to come.
this might be regarded as a small change but is noticable.

hebrews 1:8 Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
the NIV says about the son in unto the son

Luke 2:33 The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
The KJV said joesph and his mother in the NIV it says father and mother refering joesph as the father.

Why are you comparing the KJV to NIV only?

Also, I do not see any problem with these verses. Why do you think Christians cant use them?

 

[Paisley_buddie]

Why are you comparing the KJV to NIV only?

no reason other than a easy comparisionused inthe links.

Also, I do not see any problem with these verses. Why do you think Christians cant use them?

Its the subtile changes to the words that try and undermine christ's position.

 

[Dino246]

I said I have read into the history of the bible and that was before I had watched the 2 videos (13 hours of viewing between the 2) how can you come to the conclusion of bias when you haven't even watched them?

Good... you have done some homework, so you're not quite as gullible as I thought. Still, I'd recommend Dr. White's book.

 

[trofimus]

Its the subtile changes to the words that try and undermine christ's position.

How exactly? I still do not see it. How is Christ's position undermined.

 

[preacher4truth]

I watched the video. Coming from a group that had several KJVO type churches, and knowing most of the arguments I cannot accept what KJVO teaches. The arguments for KJVO fall under lies, half-truths, taking statements out of context, sensationalism, conspiracy theories, fear, and things of that nature.

I use the ESV after having used the KJV for many years. I also use the NKJV, YLT, NASB. I do not use the NIV, however.

The false teachings and divisive lies of the KJVO camp have wrecked havoc in many churches unnecessarily. The camp is typically made up of vitriolic persons who talk about the Bible version incessantly. Anything to keep persons from preaching the Gospel of Christ.

The video is filled with vitriol, lies, partial truths, conveniently edited excerpts of the exchange between Dr. White and Anderson to make it appear the way Anderson wishes it to appear, double standards and other tactics that are less than honest.

Newer versions haven't changed any doctrine, and haven't taken anything out of Scripture. In fact, the KJV has things added into Scripture that are not in the most extant mss.

 

[Paisley_buddie]

How exactly? I still do not see it. How is Christ's position undermined.

take the simplist one and look at the NIV calling jesus the son of joesph instead of the Son of God.

 

[Paisley_buddie]

I watched the video. Coming from a group that had several KJVO type churches, and knowing most of the arguments I cannot accept what KJVO teaches. The arguments for KJVO fall under lies, half-truths, taking statements out of context, sensationalism, conspiracy theories, fear, and things of that nature.

I use the ESV after having used the KJV for many years. I also use the NKJV, YLT, NASB. I do not use the NIV, however.

The false teachings and divisive lies of the KJVO camp have wrecked havoc in many churches unnecessarily. The camp is typically made up of vitriolic persons who talk about the Bible version incessantly. Anything to keep persons from preaching the Gospel of Christ.

The video is filled with vitriol, lies, partial truths, conveniently edited excerpts of the exchange between Dr. White and Anderson to make it appear the way Anderson wishes it to appear, double standards and other tactics that are less than honest.

Newer versions haven't changed any doctrine, and haven't taken anything out of Scripture. In fact, the KJV has things added into Scripture that are not in the most extant mss.

thanks for taking the time to watch the video probably the first one here to do so

 

[Paisley_buddie]

Good... you have done some homework, so you're not quite as gullible as I thought. Still, I'd recommend Dr. White's book.

thanks for the book recommendation

 

[trofimus]

take the simplist one and look at the NIV calling jesus the son of joesph instead of the Son of God.

When somebody takes care of you as if you were his son, such a man is called "father" even though he is not your biological father.

Also, do not be lazy and read the story of Jesus' birth in the same NIV. Its very clear how it happened:


"How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. "
Lk 1:34

So whats the problem?