Is Christianity Hard? Depends On What Bible Version You Read
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I would tend to agree with the title of this thread. Certainly, a Bible written in modern English, using the best manuscripts for translation is best and "easiest."
I don't understand how anyone could grow, or be changed reading a Bible they do not understand, say in English that hasn't been spoken for 400 years.
The first 25 years I was a Christian, I read the NASB yearly through. It tends to be stilted, follow Greek word order when it shouldn't. I recognize now, I was stagnant in my faith during those years. When I finally read HCSB, it felt like reading a novel, it was so easily understood! Too much for me, that read through, So I switched to ESV, which an updated KJV. A few years into that, I read the NLT in parallel. I found the paraphrasing going too far beyond the text. In fact, in a different direction. Same with the Message. Some of it really made me think, some of it was too far from the Greek! And, the Psalms are not rap tunes! So I went back to HCSB, which zips really making me think, and search things out!
So, I trust God to lead me! Reading the original languages teaches me something every day! Things that cannot be expressed in English!
Of course, prayer is essential. You can read the Bible through every month, and if you are not praying for the wisdom and guidance of the Holy Spirit, and getting to know God better, any Bible is not going to help you walk with God! And, there is fellowship, worship, and helping others. Those are all opportunities for growth.
It has been said before, but the best Bible is one you read! God saved me when I got a modern version of the Bible. I must have finally understood what God was saying! We do have to persevere and walk with God. Bible reading, especially a version which is in modern English is an important part of that! I encourage everyone to get a modern version, and read it over, yearly or more often if possible. You won't grow without an understandable Bible!
I don't understand how anyone could grow, or be changed reading a Bible they do not understand, say in English that hasn't been spoken for 400 years.
The first 25 years I was a Christian, I read the NASB yearly through. It tends to be stilted, follow Greek word order when it shouldn't. I recognize now, I was stagnant in my faith during those years. When I finally read HCSB, it felt like reading a novel, it was so easily understood! Too much for me, that read through, So I switched to ESV, which an updated KJV. A few years into that, I read the NLT in parallel. I found the paraphrasing going too far beyond the text. In fact, in a different direction. Same with the Message. Some of it really made me think, some of it was too far from the Greek! And, the Psalms are not rap tunes! So I went back to HCSB, which zips really making me think, and search things out!
So, I trust God to lead me! Reading the original languages teaches me something every day! Things that cannot be expressed in English!
Of course, prayer is essential. You can read the Bible through every month, and if you are not praying for the wisdom and guidance of the Holy Spirit, and getting to know God better, any Bible is not going to help you walk with God! And, there is fellowship, worship, and helping others. Those are all opportunities for growth.
It has been said before, but the best Bible is one you read! God saved me when I got a modern version of the Bible. I must have finally understood what God was saying! We do have to persevere and walk with God. Bible reading, especially a version which is in modern English is an important part of that! I encourage everyone to get a modern version, and read it over, yearly or more often if possible. You won't grow without an understandable Bible!
If you ever come at an impasse with any Bible version when trying to correct a believer of a false teaching, do check the KJV for the actual meat of His words and you may find why I rely only on the KJV for defending the faith which is the good fight. But again, only the Lord Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd can show you that.
You may find it more confusing, but some people don't.
All I can do is suggest that when you are at an impasse in trying to correct a saved believer of a false teaching... check with the KJV. The actual message of His words may help those believe that christianity is not hard and that they are not in the process of being saved but are saved.
Let's look at those references....of Matthew 7:13-14 & 1 Corinthians 1:18 in the Message Bible and compare...
Matthew 7:[SUP]13-14 [/SUP]“Don’t look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don’t fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires total attention. Message Bible
Well... the above reference seems to refer to the cares of this life in how everybody else lives and that the way to life to God requires you to be vigorous and total attention.
Not really the message when it is about how false prophets will come into the church to mislead many to lead them away from Jesus Christ when read in context of Matthew 7:13-27 But to someone that thinks christianity is hard, they might see how one has to be totally devoted to God vigorously to get eternal life...
How do you read that reference above?
I believe Matthew 7:13-14 is about how Jesus Christ is the only way to approach God the Father by and some will try to provide another way to approach God the Father by and that is by coming by way of the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit in believers is still pointing believers to keep going to the Son aka the Bridegroom, in coming to God the Father by. which is why straight is the gate and narrow is the way as Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. KJV
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. KJV
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV
You can go before that throne of grace and trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you understand and see the truth in His words to you about what He is talking about there, but the Message Bible seems a bit confusing to me as not really pertaining to the original message at all.
The next reference...
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]18-21 [/SUP]The Message that points to Christ on the Cross seems like sheer silliness to those hellbent on destruction, but for those on the way of salvation it makes perfect sense. This is the way God works, and most powerfully as it turns out. It’s written, The Message Bible
It seems to imply that they are on the way to salvation, but not saved yet , leaving out the message of how believing in Him, the preaching of the cross is how we are saved.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. KJV
Pray about this, but that is the whole point of why I rely on the KJV when correcting saved believers from false teachings because christianity is not hard nor are they in the process of being saved when they are saved when we are to rest in Jesus Christ when we come to Him.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.[SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.[SUP]28[/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
Did Jesus lie? No. Then it is by having the right Bible that believers that err may know that rest that they have in Christ Jesus as promised that they are saved when they had come to and believed in Jesus Christ. If little children are free to come to Him by believing in Him, then that is how adults are to come to Him in how we are saved.
All I can do is suggest that when you are at an impasse in trying to correct a saved believer of a false teaching... check with the KJV. The actual message of His words may help those believe that christianity is not hard and that they are not in the process of being saved but are saved.
Let's look at those references....of Matthew 7:13-14 & 1 Corinthians 1:18 in the Message Bible and compare...
Matthew 7:[SUP]13-14 [/SUP]“Don’t look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don’t fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires total attention. Message Bible
Well... the above reference seems to refer to the cares of this life in how everybody else lives and that the way to life to God requires you to be vigorous and total attention.
Not really the message when it is about how false prophets will come into the church to mislead many to lead them away from Jesus Christ when read in context of Matthew 7:13-27 But to someone that thinks christianity is hard, they might see how one has to be totally devoted to God vigorously to get eternal life...
How do you read that reference above?
I believe Matthew 7:13-14 is about how Jesus Christ is the only way to approach God the Father by and some will try to provide another way to approach God the Father by and that is by coming by way of the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit in believers is still pointing believers to keep going to the Son aka the Bridegroom, in coming to God the Father by. which is why straight is the gate and narrow is the way as Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. KJV
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. KJV
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV
You can go before that throne of grace and trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you understand and see the truth in His words to you about what He is talking about there, but the Message Bible seems a bit confusing to me as not really pertaining to the original message at all.
The next reference...
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]18-21 [/SUP]The Message that points to Christ on the Cross seems like sheer silliness to those hellbent on destruction, but for those on the way of salvation it makes perfect sense. This is the way God works, and most powerfully as it turns out. It’s written, The Message Bible
It seems to imply that they are on the way to salvation, but not saved yet , leaving out the message of how believing in Him, the preaching of the cross is how we are saved.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. KJV
Pray about this, but that is the whole point of why I rely on the KJV when correcting saved believers from false teachings because christianity is not hard nor are they in the process of being saved when they are saved when we are to rest in Jesus Christ when we come to Him.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.[SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.[SUP]28[/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
Did Jesus lie? No. Then it is by having the right Bible that believers that err may know that rest that they have in Christ Jesus as promised that they are saved when they had come to and believed in Jesus Christ. If little children are free to come to Him by believing in Him, then that is how adults are to come to Him in how we are saved.
to me paraphrases ((more like re-writings)) like the NLT and Message are like what happens when someone reads legal, technical or medical jargon and tries to restate it in their own simplified, everyday speech. if you give up using precise vocabulary, and you don't really have expertise in the disciplines you're trying to summarize, it's pretty easy to say things that aren't actually accurate and take the source text in a wrong direction.
in some cases it's not actually a bad way of saying things. in other cases it can be very frustrating to hear, even embarrassing. like . . well, watch Buzz Aldrin's face here:
in some cases it's not actually a bad way of saying things. in other cases it can be very frustrating to hear, even embarrassing. like . . well, watch Buzz Aldrin's face here:
Is Christianity hard based on what version of bible one reads?
Absolutely not. More importantly it's about who we choose to follow. God or man.Truth or falsehood. Life or death.
It is apparent that without faith no one can be saved. Without Christ Jesus no one can be saved. Without these, we are doomed regardless of what version we choose. But what do the scriptures say,.......
Romans 10:14-17
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 2:9-13
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2 Corinthians 2:14-17
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. 15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: 16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? 17For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
1 Peter 4:10-11
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Absolutely not. More importantly it's about who we choose to follow. God or man.Truth or falsehood. Life or death.
It is apparent that without faith no one can be saved. Without Christ Jesus no one can be saved. Without these, we are doomed regardless of what version we choose. But what do the scriptures say,.......
Romans 10:14-17
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 2:9-13
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2 Corinthians 2:14-17
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. 15For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: 16To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? 17For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
1 Peter 4:10-11
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
I find that most who turn to the Hebrew & Greek do not always turn to Christ for discerning the words of His actual message. Most of the words in Greek is defined by how it is used in the verse and so one has to discern the message by Him in order to get the meaning of His words in the Greek right.
Example.. the Greek word "pneuma" which has a variety of definitions which does not and cannot always refer to the Holy Spirit. So penuma is defined by how it is used in the context of the message.
The fact that modern translators from the Greek has goofed in capitalizing pneuma as referring to the Holy Spirit in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 when it was not, shows that human error is bound to happen more than not in getting His actual message than from the written word as it is in the KJV.
So after you do whatever you do with the Greek, do ask Him for confirmation if you got it right, especially when you take that verse in Greek in context of the message that is being given.
If you do not see how it is an error to capitalize pneuma as referring to the Holy Spirit in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6, then I can honestly say to you, that it would be in your best interest to stick with the written word of the KJV.
And the KJV has been translated in other languages just as the NIV and other modern Bibles have been.
So if French is your main language for living up in Canada, then you should be able to get the KJV in French.
But you seem to be doing pretty good as far as your English goes but you would know more than I would. Unless you are talking about how the KJV is written in English, then you should know I see no hurdles for the way it is written.
Back in 1611,.. yeah.. there are some hurdles, but I am referring to the KJV as it is now at this site at Bible Gateway.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A157-158&version=KJV
There is an authorized King James Version but I do not see any difference in the wording. I just like the way it is presented in that King James Version. It is not the same as the New King James Version nor the 21st Century King James Version.... because those two versions have changed the wordings and the message as kept in the KJV I am using.
Anyway, pray about it. The scripture does not say .. go to the Hebrew & Greek to know His actual words to get His message, but to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom to understand and apply His word in the scripture.
James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Good night, sister.
Example.. the Greek word "pneuma" which has a variety of definitions which does not and cannot always refer to the Holy Spirit. So penuma is defined by how it is used in the context of the message.
The fact that modern translators from the Greek has goofed in capitalizing pneuma as referring to the Holy Spirit in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 when it was not, shows that human error is bound to happen more than not in getting His actual message than from the written word as it is in the KJV.
So after you do whatever you do with the Greek, do ask Him for confirmation if you got it right, especially when you take that verse in Greek in context of the message that is being given.
If you do not see how it is an error to capitalize pneuma as referring to the Holy Spirit in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6, then I can honestly say to you, that it would be in your best interest to stick with the written word of the KJV.
And the KJV has been translated in other languages just as the NIV and other modern Bibles have been.
So if French is your main language for living up in Canada, then you should be able to get the KJV in French.
But you seem to be doing pretty good as far as your English goes but you would know more than I would. Unless you are talking about how the KJV is written in English, then you should know I see no hurdles for the way it is written.
Back in 1611,.. yeah.. there are some hurdles, but I am referring to the KJV as it is now at this site at Bible Gateway.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A157-158&version=KJV
There is an authorized King James Version but I do not see any difference in the wording. I just like the way it is presented in that King James Version. It is not the same as the New King James Version nor the 21st Century King James Version.... because those two versions have changed the wordings and the message as kept in the KJV I am using.
Anyway, pray about it. The scripture does not say .. go to the Hebrew & Greek to know His actual words to get His message, but to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom to understand and apply His word in the scripture.
James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Good night, sister.
when you hearing someone quote the MSG
like it's literal scripture
like it's literal scripture
That is why I say check with Jesus at that throne of grace and He will confirm that the KJV is the actual scripture we are to have for the meat of His words to discern good and evil by in these latter days where faith is hard to find and the good fight is keeping the faith in Jesus Christ .
Once a person has yieled to Crrist he knows all is giong to be fine.
As being easy or difficult to e in Yeshua, I will not declare either way. He has done all of the
hard part for us, being perfect for us.
All we who believe Him are to follow His Example and do what He teaches. I know by experience
His teaching is easier than that of ay flesh representative of His Word. Now being a true follower
of His Example is made tolerable by HIs presence in us, but to call being as much like He as possible
easy is a great stretch in my understanding.
Some very wonderful brethren who come in here, even inthis thread, teach, wisely I believe, never pass
anyone in distress. This alone , a loving lesson, is difficult at times.
I say this because I stopped to "help" a woman indistress who was going up hill on a bridge. She said she was just fine, resting, and becaue I was late meeting someone on that very hot day, I took her word, but in retrospect I should have pulled or pushed her shopping cart to the top of the bridge...boy am I ever a dunce. I should have insisted, but I did not, God forgive me.
I love that lesson, never pass a person in distsress........thank you D. and J......
As being easy or difficult to e in Yeshua, I will not declare either way. He has done all of the
hard part for us, being perfect for us.
All we who believe Him are to follow His Example and do what He teaches. I know by experience
His teaching is easier than that of ay flesh representative of His Word. Now being a true follower
of His Example is made tolerable by HIs presence in us, but to call being as much like He as possible
easy is a great stretch in my understanding.
Some very wonderful brethren who come in here, even inthis thread, teach, wisely I believe, never pass
anyone in distress. This alone , a loving lesson, is difficult at times.
I say this because I stopped to "help" a woman indistress who was going up hill on a bridge. She said she was just fine, resting, and becaue I was late meeting someone on that very hot day, I took her word, but in retrospect I should have pulled or pushed her shopping cart to the top of the bridge...boy am I ever a dunce. I should have insisted, but I did not, God forgive me.
I love that lesson, never pass a person in distsress........thank you D. and J......
if anyone has faith they will not doubt this:
and they won't freak out when the scripture, in its original Greek, refers to His sheep as those "who are being saved" ((1 Corinthians 1:18)) fearing that the "earnest" God has sealed us with ((Ephesians 1:14)) will be forfeited . . .
. . . because they know God is a faithful and able Shepherd of His people, that His love never fails, and that He will not lose even one of His flock.
He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
(Philippians 1:6)
(Philippians 1:6)
and they won't freak out when the scripture, in its original Greek, refers to His sheep as those "who are being saved" ((1 Corinthians 1:18)) fearing that the "earnest" God has sealed us with ((Ephesians 1:14)) will be forfeited . . .
. . . because they know God is a faithful and able Shepherd of His people, that His love never fails, and that He will not lose even one of His flock.
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Just a thought what did saved people in Abraham's time read.
Im pretty certain salvation is not based on what bible is read.
I would go as far as to say reading the bible alone will not lead a person
to salvation, there are plenty who read the bible, but arent Christians.
But put the Holy Spirit in the mix then it's an explosive spiritual mix.
Having said that as we are blessed with the bible, then we should read it and ask
the Holy Spirit for help in understanding it.
Im pretty certain salvation is not based on what bible is read.
I would go as far as to say reading the bible alone will not lead a person
to salvation, there are plenty who read the bible, but arent Christians.
But put the Holy Spirit in the mix then it's an explosive spiritual mix.
Having said that as we are blessed with the bible, then we should read it and ask
the Holy Spirit for help in understanding it.
Like I said... you can use any Bible to preach the gospel and people can be saved by correct verses in any Bible, BUT it is false teachings that leads others astray and it is selected errant verses in those modern Bibles that leads other astray, taking the meat out as in changing the actual meaning of His words so that believers cannot discern good & evil from that changed message, especially when it is used to support a false teaching or for that matter a false supernatural tongue.
1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied in ALL Bibles that many shall depart from faith & give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils in these latter days; hence saved believers are believing every spirit coming over them apart from salvation to be the Holy Spirit when it is not because according to the tradition taught of us ; we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15
2 Corinthians 11:1-4 warns in ALL Bibles about those who preach another Jesus, another spirit ( Holy Spirit ) and thus another gospel to receive, but again saved believers who experienced what they believe was the Holy Spirit falling on them apart from salvation IGNORES that warning not to pay heed to that.
John 16:13 testified in ALL BIBLES that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself, but speaks what He hears and that is why God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native tongue ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ), and thus can NEVER be used by the Holy Spirit as a prayer language nor serve as a sign toward believers that they had received the Holy Spirit apart from salvation ( 1 Corinthians 14:22 ). ALL BIBLES have these truths .....
All it takes is a changed message in the modern Bibles to IGNORE all of those warnings.
Romans 8:26-27 in ALL modern Bibles testify WRONGLY that the Holy Spirit gives His own intercessions directly by Himself and that sounds are being made when He does that.
The KJV is the ONLY one that keeps the truth in His words in that even the groaning of the Holy Spirit CANNOT be uttered; hence no sound at all. For Angel53510 to go to the Greek, alaletos, is defined as unspeakable and unutterable. So all those modern Bibles are wrong for implying otherwise that sounds are being made here in Romans 8:26.
That is why verse 27 exists to explain how the unspeakable intercessions of the Holy Spirit's are known to the Father. The "he" is Jesus Christ, the Word of God, that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 as it is this "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit as He is the only Mediator between God and men in according to the will of God in presenting any intercession to the Father. Why? Because any intercession the Son presents to the Father, whenever the Father says "Yes.." to any intercession, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answered prayers as testified in John 14:13-14 in ALL BIBLES.
Matthew 6:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
So praying in tongues is not of Him when He prefers us to ray in secret and that the father knows before we ask anything in prayer so that testify to no necessity for the Holy Spirit to pray for us OUT LOUD.
So many saved believers have fallen away from the faith and refuse to see that tongues cannot be used as a prayer language for explaining why interpretation is not coming or why no foreigner is understanding it and especially when they are all alone when this tongues gets going when they want to pray; hence interrupting their prayer time with the Lord.
So yes... you can preach the gospel out of any Bible.. but no... you cannot defend the faith out of any of those modern Bibles when they all support tongues to be used as a prayer language to tongue speakers that have gained that tongue by apostasy of thinking that was the Holy Spirit that came over them in giving that kind of supernatural tongue which can be found in world's religions, idolatries, and even cults in christianity and not just the occult.
They ignore all the other truths in scripture in harping Romans 8:26-27 and thus reading their kind of tongues into 1 Corinthians 14th chapter ( ignoring verse 21-22 ) and even reading their experience into receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation into scripture ( like Acts 19:1-7 BUT disciples of John the Baptist's were not believers in Jesus Christ ) BECAUSE they want to believe their second blessing and that tongue which never comes with interpretation is of God.
So I emphasize relying only on the KJV for the actual meat and meaning of His words because keeping the faith is the good fight when all it takes is a couple of verses to make believers doubt the truths in God's words everywhere else in that modern Bible.
1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied in ALL Bibles that many shall depart from faith & give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils in these latter days; hence saved believers are believing every spirit coming over them apart from salvation to be the Holy Spirit when it is not because according to the tradition taught of us ; we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15
2 Corinthians 11:1-4 warns in ALL Bibles about those who preach another Jesus, another spirit ( Holy Spirit ) and thus another gospel to receive, but again saved believers who experienced what they believe was the Holy Spirit falling on them apart from salvation IGNORES that warning not to pay heed to that.
John 16:13 testified in ALL BIBLES that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself, but speaks what He hears and that is why God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native tongue ( 1 Corinthians 14:21 ), and thus can NEVER be used by the Holy Spirit as a prayer language nor serve as a sign toward believers that they had received the Holy Spirit apart from salvation ( 1 Corinthians 14:22 ). ALL BIBLES have these truths .....
All it takes is a changed message in the modern Bibles to IGNORE all of those warnings.
Romans 8:26-27 in ALL modern Bibles testify WRONGLY that the Holy Spirit gives His own intercessions directly by Himself and that sounds are being made when He does that.
The KJV is the ONLY one that keeps the truth in His words in that even the groaning of the Holy Spirit CANNOT be uttered; hence no sound at all. For Angel53510 to go to the Greek, alaletos, is defined as unspeakable and unutterable. So all those modern Bibles are wrong for implying otherwise that sounds are being made here in Romans 8:26.
That is why verse 27 exists to explain how the unspeakable intercessions of the Holy Spirit's are known to the Father. The "he" is Jesus Christ, the Word of God, that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 as it is this "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit as He is the only Mediator between God and men in according to the will of God in presenting any intercession to the Father. Why? Because any intercession the Son presents to the Father, whenever the Father says "Yes.." to any intercession, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answered prayers as testified in John 14:13-14 in ALL BIBLES.
Matthew 6:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
So praying in tongues is not of Him when He prefers us to ray in secret and that the father knows before we ask anything in prayer so that testify to no necessity for the Holy Spirit to pray for us OUT LOUD.
So many saved believers have fallen away from the faith and refuse to see that tongues cannot be used as a prayer language for explaining why interpretation is not coming or why no foreigner is understanding it and especially when they are all alone when this tongues gets going when they want to pray; hence interrupting their prayer time with the Lord.
So yes... you can preach the gospel out of any Bible.. but no... you cannot defend the faith out of any of those modern Bibles when they all support tongues to be used as a prayer language to tongue speakers that have gained that tongue by apostasy of thinking that was the Holy Spirit that came over them in giving that kind of supernatural tongue which can be found in world's religions, idolatries, and even cults in christianity and not just the occult.
They ignore all the other truths in scripture in harping Romans 8:26-27 and thus reading their kind of tongues into 1 Corinthians 14th chapter ( ignoring verse 21-22 ) and even reading their experience into receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation into scripture ( like Acts 19:1-7 BUT disciples of John the Baptist's were not believers in Jesus Christ ) BECAUSE they want to believe their second blessing and that tongue which never comes with interpretation is of God.
So I emphasize relying only on the KJV for the actual meat and meaning of His words because keeping the faith is the good fight when all it takes is a couple of verses to make believers doubt the truths in God's words everywhere else in that modern Bible.
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The Law is Grace, Jesus' Grace, written upon/in our hearts in order for us to be able
to serve Him and others as He has Commanded us to, through Love/Obedience...
we see no 'burden' here, only a way to express our Love and appreciation, else,
wouldn't they just lay dormant, if there was no desire to put to use what He has
so humbly Blessed us with? wouldn't we still be acting/doing what this carnal world does?
of course it a daily process to grow into the man/woman that He desires for us to become...
not easy, but very doable...
after all, He is sitting on the Right Hand of His Father in order to 'intercede' for us
when we dis-obey, that's what our Holy Intercessor does - to deny Him this position,
is to deny Him, His Father, The Holy Spirit, and His Holy Sacrificial Gift of Love...
when we truly do Love our Saviour, He let's us know exactly what His check-list is,
and how to keep it...
The Law is Grace, Jesus' Grace, written upon/in our hearts in order for us to be able
to serve Him and others as He has Commanded us to, through Love/Obedience...
we see no 'burden' here, only a way to express our Love and appreciation, else,
wouldn't they just lay dormant, if there was no desire to put to use what He has
so humbly Blessed us with? wouldn't we still be acting/doing what this carnal world does?
of course it a daily process to grow into the man/woman that He desires for us to become...
not easy, but very doable...
after all, He is sitting on the Right Hand of His Father in order to 'intercede' for us
when we dis-obey, that's what our Holy Intercessor does - to deny Him this position,
is to deny Him, His Father, The Holy Spirit, and His Holy Sacrificial Gift of Love...
when we truly do Love our Saviour, He let's us know exactly what His check-list is,
and how to keep it...
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That promise also applies to those "left behind" whom have fallen away from the faith or had foolishly sowed to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption and not repenting of it and thus gets excommunicated at the pre trib rapture event and thus disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper.
The Lord will finish His work even in those unrepented & wayward saints left behind as there will be vessels unto dishonor in His House testifying to the power of God in salvation for even those who believe in His name.
So.. yes.. those who followed the stranger's voice; John 10:1-5 , will be made to hear His voice and be of the one fold & one shepherd ( John 10:16 ) when they are resurrected at the end of the great tribulation to see and hear the King of kings to serve Him for the milleniel reign of Christ.
The Lord will finish His work even in those unrepented & wayward saints left behind as there will be vessels unto dishonor in His House testifying to the power of God in salvation for even those who believe in His name.
So.. yes.. those who followed the stranger's voice; John 10:1-5 , will be made to hear His voice and be of the one fold & one shepherd ( John 10:16 ) when they are resurrected at the end of the great tribulation to see and hear the King of kings to serve Him for the milleniel reign of Christ.
I agree there are many false doctrines coming from those who twist (wrest in the KJV) the scriptures to their own destruction. It is apparent that those who adhere to false doctrines are appointed to such. Romans 1:18-23, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.
It's commendable and appropriate to warn our brothers and sisters out there to turn away from such false teachings.
1 Timothy 4:1-16
Galatians 1:6-12
2 Corinthians 11:1-4
However, God is not asleep.( Psalm 121:3,4) He will save to the uttermost (Hebrews 7:25) all of His children
(John 17:6-19). So we can trust in Him (Psalm 9:10) to complete the work He has started in us, and in our true brothers and sisters.(Philippians 1:6) (1 Corinthians 1:4-9)
About the King James version of the bible, (my personal favorite version)....... sadly, this version is also used by those who promote some of the false doctrines that are out there. Tongues instead of languages and charity instead of love as seen in 1 Corinthians 13:1 just as one example. It has been used by many false prophets and deceivers to promote their false religious ideals and ensnare the ignorant just as much, if not more than any other version available today.
It is also apparent that as long as men are unwilling to seek God through the scriptures and prayer while trying to keep the outward appearance of being a godly person....... there will always be someone to attempt to ensnare them with false doctrine. This seems to be the bigger issue.
It is also commendable to study the Greek and Hebrew when looking at verses in the Old and New Testaments for better insight into the scriptures, as they are the original manuscripts that have been translated to our modern versions including the KJV that we enjoy reading today. I don't think Angela is trying to offend you by saying "When I want the meat if the word, I will check it against the Hebrew and Greek! Never against the KJV which is a translation."
It is what it is..... That is sound advice. She didn't say throw away your favorite version but that she goes to the original manuscripts for the meat of word.
It's commendable and appropriate to warn our brothers and sisters out there to turn away from such false teachings.
1 Timothy 4:1-16
Galatians 1:6-12
2 Corinthians 11:1-4
However, God is not asleep.( Psalm 121:3,4) He will save to the uttermost (Hebrews 7:25) all of His children
(John 17:6-19). So we can trust in Him (Psalm 9:10) to complete the work He has started in us, and in our true brothers and sisters.(Philippians 1:6) (1 Corinthians 1:4-9)
About the King James version of the bible, (my personal favorite version)....... sadly, this version is also used by those who promote some of the false doctrines that are out there. Tongues instead of languages and charity instead of love as seen in 1 Corinthians 13:1 just as one example. It has been used by many false prophets and deceivers to promote their false religious ideals and ensnare the ignorant just as much, if not more than any other version available today.
It is also apparent that as long as men are unwilling to seek God through the scriptures and prayer while trying to keep the outward appearance of being a godly person....... there will always be someone to attempt to ensnare them with false doctrine. This seems to be the bigger issue.
It is also commendable to study the Greek and Hebrew when looking at verses in the Old and New Testaments for better insight into the scriptures, as they are the original manuscripts that have been translated to our modern versions including the KJV that we enjoy reading today. I don't think Angela is trying to offend you by saying "When I want the meat if the word, I will check it against the Hebrew and Greek! Never against the KJV which is a translation."
It is what it is..... That is sound advice. She didn't say throw away your favorite version but that she goes to the original manuscripts for the meat of word.