“And they fortified Jerusalem unto the broad wall.” -- a conversation

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Bladerunner

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The Lord seems to be answering an IRL question I've been struggling with for the last couple of months in odd ways. (Does he do anything in normal ways? lol)

I'm coming to a resolution on it already, but thought it would be good to discuss together.

Note: Discuss. A different word than argue and a different word than teach. So, if you can only argue or teach, find a new post now.

I'd like a conversation, and I'd like it a little deeper than don't watch TV and don't listen to "ungodly" music.

This is about “And they fortified Jerusalem unto the broad wall” and "be of in the world, but not of it."

Sometimes that's harder than it seems. And often it's because we are led on a path that enters entire landscapes of the world-over-the-Lord ages ago. Yet this is our path the Lord has given us.
-- If we need counseling, most of the skilled counselors are humanists.
-- If we we want to help our communities politically, most politicians are worldly.
-- If we want to go into the arts, most of that field is run by worldly people. And most of the artists and crafters bought into it.
-- If we want to teach students, go into non-profits work, and even unions, they are of the world.

Does that mean don't do any of that? If you believe that then the world already won for you. God has put many of us on paths where we must be of the world, but not in it. And it very much means we have to know where to step without it blowing up in our face.

Now, I know, most will immediately go with "stay out of it all together," but "in the world" really means "in the world!" So "stay out" isn't godly advice. It's a knee-jerk reaction.

I've made an impractical decision in the last couple of days that both thrills me (because I know it is God working this out in me) and terrifies me (because the odds of it working just drastically dropped and I've been working this out for over a decade.) It's based on all of this, and now it's time to trust the Lord once again. I don't know if it will work out like I hope. But I do know it will work out like God planned. So I seek comfort from my bros. (And to me, bros is a nongender word.) Bros who have already pulled it off or are in the process of pulling it off in the Lord.

So, how has this worked in your life? And what has the Lord done for you? Personal failure is an option, as long as we know it is not failing God.
Unfortunately if I am agreeing with you on this subject and your interpretation then it probably will be a conversation. BUT since I do not agree with you, my interpretation would be considered teaching you how to interpret the subject above.
Have a good day!
 

longtrekker

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I’m much more aware these days of the “in the world but not of the world” proposition and how futile it is to get upset about it – because we know it’s coming. I think as a Christian u truly see this divide like nothing else.


I’ve read some excellent specific anecdotes here. My take concerns more the macro level of events as I feel the whole Judeo-Christian cultural bedrock of the West dissolving before my eyes in the space of a generation.

Gay marriage and transvestite washrooms – oh my word….and how easy the ‘world’ has turned out to accommodate these tectonic shifts. The world shrugs.

‘Cultural Christianity’ is being shown the door with actual Christians being ever more isolated and tested. I hope the next 20 years aren’t anything like the last 20 but I’ll wager the slide continues.

In my squandered youth I remember a friend of my parents’ generation telling me they felt sorry for my generation as they could see a degeneration I couldn’t – but man I think we have it easy compared to generations to come.

As an aside I see the MSM as the very epitome of the ‘world’. One of the very epitomes lol.

And on the "..walls of Jerusalem" – I’ll hafta give it some thought
 
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Hi lynn! :)

Maybe you shouldn't try to "fix it."
Maybe you should just trust that He really does guide your steps.
After all, how would you know that He doesn't want you with a worldly agent for His own purposes? He has let men be unjustly thrown in prison to accomplish His purposes...

A man makes his plans, but it is God who guides his steps. (Think that's in proverbs).
 
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Unfortunately if I am agreeing with you on this subject and your interpretation then it probably will be a conversation. BUT since I do not agree with you, my interpretation would be considered teaching you how to interpret the subject above.
Have a good day!
Well since this was too much for you...

So, how has this worked in your life? And what has the Lord done for you? Personal failure is an option, as long as we know it is not failing God.
...and you can't agree you've had such experiences, thank you for walking away.
 
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Hi lynn! :)

Maybe you shouldn't try to "fix it."
Maybe you should just trust that He really does guide your steps.
After all, how would you know that He doesn't want you with a worldly agent for His own purposes? He has let men be unjustly thrown in prison to accomplish His purposes...

A man makes his plans, but it is God who guides his steps. (Think that's in proverbs).
The "fix it" thingy comes from Post's video and it's talking about maintaining the mighty wall of Jerusalem. (God's kingdom.) The only one who can fix the world is God.

And honestly, I don't want to work with agents that promote LBGT because of who my agent needs to be. My novel is for middle-graders (MG) -- 8-12 y.o. So the agents I'm looking at already work in the children's book field. Usually they promote picture books, MG, and YA. Catching the problem yet? (Probably, but just in case.) They're actively seeking books for children to convert them into believing LBGT is normal.

I really don't have a problem with such books for adults. If my novel was mainstream, (for adults in their lingo), I would have much less of a problem with it. But, noper. Not going to work with someone out to brainwash kids at such a young age.
 
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#29
The Lord seems to be answering an IRL question I've been struggling with for the last couple of months in odd ways. (Does he do anything in normal ways? lol)

I'm coming to a resolution on it already, but thought it would be good to discuss together.

Note: Discuss. A different word than argue and a different word than teach. So, if you can only argue or teach, find a new post now.

I'd like a conversation, and I'd like it a little deeper than don't watch TV and don't listen to "ungodly" music.

This is about “And they fortified Jerusalem unto the broad wall” and "be of in the world, but not of it."

Sometimes that's harder than it seems. And often it's because we are led on a path that enters entire landscapes of the world-over-the-Lord ages ago. Yet this is our path the Lord has given us.
-- If we need counseling, most of the skilled counselors are humanists.
-- If we we want to help our communities politically, most politicians are worldly.
-- If we want to go into the arts, most of that field is run by worldly people. And most of the artists and crafters bought into it.
-- If we want to teach students, go into non-profits work, and even unions, they are of the world.

Does that mean don't do any of that? If you believe that then the world already won for you. God has put many of us on paths where we must be of the world, but not in it. And it very much means we have to know where to step without it blowing up in our face.

Now, I know, most will immediately go with "stay out of it all together," but "in the world" really means "in the world!" So "stay out" isn't godly advice. It's a knee-jerk reaction.

I've made an impractical decision in the last couple of days that both thrills me (because I know it is God working this out in me) and terrifies me (because the odds of it working just drastically dropped and I've been working this out for over a decade.) It's based on all of this, and now it's time to trust the Lord once again. I don't know if it will work out like I hope. But I do know it will work out like God planned. So I seek comfort from my bros. (And to me, bros is a nongender word.) Bros who have already pulled it off or are in the process of pulling it off in the Lord.

So, how has this worked in your life? And what has the Lord done for you? Personal failure is an option, as long as we know it is not failing God.
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why do you always like to drop 'bombs' and then ski-daddle?

it's kind of like going fishing because your body is craving fish, and then, after the 'catch',
you let him go', if your going to say something so intimate, you know, just lay it out there...,
most of us are grown-up enough to not be 'surprised' by to much of ANYTHING,
that we can't imagine...I'm talking a certain 'age here'...
and NO, He doesn't do anything according to 'our-standards or our thoughts'...
 
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#30
Unfortunately if I am agreeing with you on this subject and your interpretation then it probably will be a conversation. BUT since I do not agree with you, my interpretation would be considered teaching you how to interpret the subject above.
Have a good day!
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well,

many of us have learned how well 'teaching/sharing up in here goes over' - usually not to well, -
and a witness of a humble heart is a rare read/sight indeed...
 
Feb 28, 2016
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#31
There has been numerous times over the years, where I have failed to cut corners,
at work despite being told to do so and get on with the work, targets and service standards
are more important. There has been numerous instances where I have pointed out
something isn't quite right.

Each time I've been berated for not getting through the work quickly enough,
for being behind. In all honestly I just could not do a sloppy job. That accuracy has
meant that I've discovered lots of previous mistakes that others have made, or
overlooked in the past. Mistakes that needed rectifying as they cause a lot of
problems later. Each time my line manager has just got frustrated at me for finding
them and for slowing the work down even more and told me I had to fix it, rather
than the case worker who make the mistakes etc. Which again has slowed down my
own work.

Each time I've been justified as later on, higher management have realised those
mistakes and short cuts are happening too much and work is not getting done properly
and so procedures have changed and suddenly everyone else has been told to do it
the way I've been doing it. I got no credit for it though as that has always got swept
under the carpet as well!

A recent example. There is a specific case we deal with on my team which does not have
service standards. Its still very important and delays cause problems. But because it's not
measured work, for the last 5 years, caseworker have been told to put them to the bottom
of the priority.

I did a little but I always made sure none of these cases of mine, was left more than a
couple of months. It use to drive my manager nuts that I wouldn't leave them.

Then i moved to part time work and started working on different teams, then last year i
was moved back on my original team and was given the job of looking at all these old
cases which everyone else had left! The oldest goes back to 2013!

These old cases are causing big problems now and questions are being asked as to why
they were left.

None of them are mine I kept on top of mine. But suddenly my manager who previously
critised me, is now begging me to look at all these old cases as soon as possible.

I've cleared about half of them so far. Unfortunately 5 years of documents and files to
go through mean a lot of paperwork to get through for each case and to continue to work
from where it was left off.

Plus there are fresh cases coming in all the time to keep up with.

I think part of this is just my attention to detail, my character, but part of it is also that I just
cannot bring myself to do a sloppy poor job, it doesn't feel right at all. It feels
like I'm being dishonest and cheating.

As I say it always gets justified in the end. But I never get any recognition for doing
the job properly. I just seem to get to clear up everyone's mess while they get the pats
on the back for meeting service standards.

I think that is the way the world is generally.
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whoa, what a test' of character Jesus is asking of you, of course it's for you to see
just where your standing/mettle is with Him, and how far it has grown, maybe since you/we/us, last thought
of it...
 

notmyown

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May 26, 2016
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He knows His sheep? :)
that's what i was thinking! great minds. lol

But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers. (Jn 10:2-5)

i wonder..... :)
 
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why do you always like to drop 'bombs' and then ski-daddle?

it's kind of like going fishing because your body is craving fish, and then, after the 'catch',
you let him go', if your going to say something so intimate, you know, just lay it out there...,
most of us are grown-up enough to not be 'surprised' by to much of ANYTHING,
that we can't imagine...I'm talking a certain 'age here'...
and NO, He doesn't do anything according to 'our-standards or our thoughts'...
This is a bomb? Wanting to get on a personal base with my bros is a bomb?

And what skedaddle? I'm still here. I'm old-school fisherman. You catch it; you eat it.

I'm not getting this at all.
 
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that's what i was thinking! great minds. lol

But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers. (Jn 10:2-5)

i wonder..... :)
It's nice hanging around Great Minds. I keep hoping to absorb some of it. (And it's working, even if I'll not be getting up to Great Minds level any time soon. lol)
 
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Miri

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whoa, what a test' of character Jesus is asking of you, of course it's for you to see
just where your standing/mettle is with Him, and how far it has grown, maybe since you/we/us, last thought
of it...

Thats a cinch, my whole life has been a test of mettle. It still is both at home and work.

Like today, manager asks for a little job chat.
Asks me how I'm going with my work loads as I seem to be keeping up to date.
Then anounces that the bloke I sit next to is struggling with his work load and to
give him time to catch up, she would like me to take all his new cases for the next
4 weeks.

Only i work 3 days a week, he works 5 days a week. So for the next month I will have
to do his work and my work! Somehow try to cram an 8 day week into 3 days!

He is behind because he is never there, he smokes and goes for a cigarette at least 4
times a day. I know cos I end up dealing with his phone calls. Plus even when he isn't
having a ciggy break, he is often away from his desk for 15-20 mins at a time for no
apparent reason. The other day he was messaging a friend in another office for several
minutes.

But hey. We won't bother to call him to one side and have words with him, just get
Miri the part timer who is more up to date, to do his work!

I should add that each case takes anything from 10 weeks to 26 weeks to resolve,
longer if they end up at public inquiries or in chambers meetings. So the cases
I will take over the next month, could remain with me still working through them
for a long time. It's not like it's just for 4 weeks.

Another test of zipping it and let God work it out because I just don't know how to
any more.

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#36
Thats a cinch, my whole life has been a test of mettle. It still is both at home and work.

Like today, manager asks for a little job chat.
Asks me how I'm going with my work loads as I seem to be keeping up to date.
Then anounces that the bloke I sit next to is struggling with his work load and to
give him time to catch up, she would like me to take all his new cases for the next
4 weeks.

Only i work 3 days a week, he works 5 days a week. So for the next month I will have
to do his work and my work! Somehow try to cram an 8 day week into 3 days!

He is behind because he is never there, he smokes and goes for a cigarette at least 4
times a day. I know cos I end up dealing with his phone calls. Plus even when he isn't
having a ciggy break, he is often away from his desk for 15-20 mins at a time for no
apparent reason. The other day he was messaging a friend in another office for several
minutes.

But hey. We won't bother to call him to one side and have words with him, just get
Miri the part timer who is more up to date, to do his work!

I should add that each case takes anything from 10 weeks to 26 weeks to resolve,
longer if they end up at public inquiries or in chambers meetings. So the cases
I will take over the next month, could remain with me still working through them
for a long time. It's not like it's just for 4 weeks.

Another test of zipping it and let God work it out because I just don't know how to
any more.

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Why zip it? Why not ask her to talk with him to figure out ways he can handle is job better? It's not being snotty. It just seems to me that a boss/employee relationship requires give and take.

I suspect she knows exactly what's going on and you're her easy-way to deal with it.

(And, for the record, I took 2-3 smoke breaks, but made up for them by coming in early and taking work with me to lunch. Actually, taking work with me to lunch was great, because I left the building so no phones, coworkers, customers, or bosses stopping by to interrupt. lol)
 
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Miri

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My manager said he is less experienced than me and doesn't know how to do the
larger complicated cases. I've been there longer yes, but he has been there nearly
3 years so he should be experienced by now.

She said she likes that I think outside the box. Her reason to give me more work.
Surely it would be better to make sure he knows how to do the work. Sigh.

But yet that same thinking outside the box got me in trouble a couple of years back.
(See previous post).

Managers know what's going on but turn a blind eye when they can't be bothered to
deal with it. My manager is going to America for 5 weeks in September. She just wants
a quiet life for a few weeks and doesn't want anything to rock the boat, so she can
get on top of her own work quickly and go off for a nice relaxing holiday.
 
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My manager said he is less experienced than me and doesn't know how to do the
larger complicated cases. I've been there longer yes, but he has been there nearly
3 years so he should be experienced by now.

She said she likes that I think outside the box. Her reason to give me more work.
Surely it would be better to make sure he knows how to do the work. Sigh.

But yet that same thinking outside the box got me in trouble a couple of years back.
(See previous post).

Managers know what's going on but turn a blind eye when they can't be bothered to
deal with it. My manager is going to America for 5 weeks in September. She just wants
a quiet life for a few weeks and doesn't want anything to rock the boat, so she can
get on top of her own work quickly and go off for a nice relaxing holiday.
Suggestion, and yeah, I bet she'll wait until after America to implement it. How about offering her either a brain picking session or a teaching opportunity? i.e. Offer to give coworkers a rundown on how you're able to get your work done in a timely way? I'm not sure if that is a 1 hour meeting, a 2-3 hour meeting, or an entire seminar to explain it, but if you know how, and they don't, then it's the most effective way towards efficiency for the department.

Honestly, as someone who was forever pressed to meet deadlines, I'd appreciate a coworker teaching me ways to keep ahead of it. If it was from someone who thought they knew more than I do, I could see getting annoyed, but that's not your personality. And, frankly, if she's not into the idea, then this will be a reoccurring problem for the rest of your time working there. Except it will continue to get worse, because she absolutely knows to give the busy person more work so the lazy people don't mess up her performance grades.

Considering you aren't in a place in your life to look for a new job, it seems like a fair solution. And, yup, you still have to do his work for a couple of months, but hopefully America rubs off on her, and she gets some idea what doing her job should be like, since she won't be getting help from government workers over here. (Yeah, government work over here, is like what you have -- twice the number of people needed to get the work done because half the workers rarely work.
:rolleyes:)

If she doesn't go for it, do you have any way of making suggestions like this to upper management?

The more you do, the more she will pile on you to do. At some point in time, you go insane or become so physically exhausted you can't do it anymore, lose the job, and she keeps hers.