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Jackson123

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How do you know the different between dream from the Lord or from you own think?

The last 3 hour I, sleep, but oN and off, every time I sleep I dream, and for 3 time I dream about the same story.

on those dream I heard some body Said, only 2 type of people, people WHO have Love or not.

please give a comment.
 

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How do you know the different between dream from the Lord or from you own think?

The last 3 hour I, sleep, but oN and off, every time I sleep I dream, and for 3 time I dream about the same story.

on those dream I heard some body Said, only 2 type of people, people WHO have Love or not.

please give a comment.
That comes with discernment which is a gift that is like a tree it grows at a slow and steady pace, We have to also consider that what we think about all the time or what we eat or what we watch or read can greatly affect our dreams also sleeping medication has been well known to do this as well. Scripture is a fantastic stone to build your house on when it comes to discerning who or what your dreams are from.
 

Jackson123

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That comes with discernment which is a gift that is like a tree it grows at a slow and steady pace, We have to also consider that what we think about all the time or what we eat or what we watch or read can greatly affect our dreams also sleeping medication has been well known to do this as well. Scripture is a fantastic stone to build your house on when it comes to discerning who or what your dreams are from.
thanks brother I appreciate your comment
 
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If you keep on getting the same dream, or you keep on getting dreams with the same theme, it's very likely that God is trying to tell you something.

Why is God sending you that particular dream? You might have to look at recent events in your life to figure out the meaning!

From my perspective, it seems that God might be hinting at the following passages: 1 John 2:3-11; 3:11-20; 4:7-21; 5:1-5. There's a lot in these passages, so I don't know exactly what God was hinting at to you, but these passages are all about who has love, and who doesn't - from God's point of view!
 

Jackson123

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If you keep on getting the same dream, or you keep on getting dreams with the same theme, it's very likely that God is trying to tell you something.

Why is God sending you that particular dream? You might have to look at recent events in your life to figure out the meaning!

From my perspective, it seems that God might be hinting at the following passages: 1 John 2:3-11; 3:11-20; 4:7-21; 5:1-5. There's a lot in these passages, so I don't know exactly what God was hinting at to you, but these passages are all about who has love, and who doesn't - from God's point of view!
thanks brother, I am in the position to decide whether to keep helping a needy or stop. There is a homeless family stay with me, They promise only a week, but allready more than a month, I my self low income, I am thinking to ask them to go, but his wife is sick now. May be God tell me to consider.

Also recently I involve in the discussion about salvation, the verses that you give me, reaffirm, that If you do not have love, mean you not born from God and It mean you not save.

Some time we discuss about salvation in the same time we hate each other because disagreemen. It's odd isn't It, how come we tell other how to be save, or what is the sign of save person while we demonstrate that we are not save by showing our malice toward our discussion opponent. but we not aware. It happen to my self. May be God give me a clue.
 
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Also recently I involve in the discussion about salvation, the verses that you give me, reaffirm, that If you do not have love, mean you not born from God and It mean you not save.
Can your dream below be trying to reprove your conclusion from the scripture above?

How do you know the different between dream from the Lord or from you own think?

The last 3 hour I, sleep, but oN and off, every time I sleep I dream, and for 3 time I dream about the same story.

on those dream I heard some body Said, only 2 type of people, people WHO have Love or not.

please give a comment.
What if a saved believer have love for one, but not for another? So is it really about salvation or is it about knowing when a saved believer is abiding in Him as they ought to be in living as His disciple when showing love towards others?

A saved believer can have love and thus have loved and then there are people whom have never loved which wuld be unbelievers.

1 John 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.[SUP]20 [/SUP]If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

It is because we do love God that sometime, we are tempted to not love our brother, and so that is why we are commanded to love our brother. We love God only because He has loved us first. Therefore as love is a fruit of the Spirit along with patience and longsuffering, we are to love our brother even when they are our enemies.

So I do not believe scripture is given to expose fake believers or anything like that, but to correct and to exhort believers to lean on Him to love others... since we loved Him because He first loved us, and so He will supply the love we need to love others when it is not in our flesh to love, especially when our brothers or sisters are our enemies.

Jesus set the example for us;

1 Peter 2:[SUP]19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

But yet when a brother is caught in a trespass, we are to tell them privately their fault... if he doubts the word, then bring two or three more witnesses to confirm the word; but if he simply just refuse to repent, then excommunicate the brother. But if he asks for forgiveness, then he is to be welcomed back into fellowship again.

Matthew 18:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

So this is why we are not of the letter and we are to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to guide us in all situations since He is in us and is with us always.



thanks brother, I am in the position to decide whether to keep helping a needy or stop. There is a homeless family stay with me, They promise only a week, but allready more than a month, I my self low income, I am thinking to ask them to go, but his wife is sick now. May be God tell me to consider.
Since they had broken their promise, which they should not have promised in the first place for who can plan for tomorrow?

James 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

You may have to start assigning chores for them to do in and around the house, except when they are sick, of course.

Paul was setting the example as a visiting missionary in trying to reprove the practice of some visiting missionary that were hardly working in doing their fair share around the house where they were staying but being out and about being busybodies in other people's affairs.

2 Thessalonians 3:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

They really should have set goals to you and say "God be willing...He shall help us achieve our goals." Since they are well beyond the time they had said they would be staying, they should give updates to you of the status in their lives and of hopeful prospects to show they have been active and still active in trying to be out from under your shelter.

I do not know what it is like in your country if there are any churches that offers food for the poor in your area, but trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to direct your foot steps in the way you should go.
 
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Do you all go to the Bible after you dream and then try to get the Bible to back up your dreams?
 
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A dream should never contradict the Bible. If a dream is from God, then you've got the same author of the Bible and the dream, so they should agree! Where caution needs to be exercised is in the interpretation of the dream, because that's down to us!
 
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Jackson123

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Can your dream below be trying to reprove your conclusion from the scripture above?



What if a saved believer have love for one, but not for another? So is it really about salvation or is it about knowing when a saved believer is abiding in Him as they ought to be in living as His disciple when showing love towards others?

A saved believer can have love and thus have loved and then there are people whom have never loved which wuld be unbelievers.

1 John 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.[SUP]20 [/SUP]If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

It is because we do love God that sometime, we are tempted to not love our brother, and so that is why we are commanded to love our brother. We love God only because He has loved us first. Therefore as love is a fruit of the Spirit along with patience and longsuffering, we are to love our brother even when they are our enemies.

So I do not believe scripture is given to expose fake believers or anything like that, but to correct and to exhort believers to lean on Him to love others... since we loved Him because He first loved us, and so He will supply the love we need to love others when it is not in our flesh to love, especially when our brothers or sisters are our enemies.

Jesus set the example for us;

1 Peter 2:[SUP]19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

But yet when a brother is caught in a trespass, we are to tell them privately their fault... if he doubts the word, then bring two or three more witnesses to confirm the word; but if he simply just refuse to repent, then excommunicate the brother. But if he asks for forgiveness, then he is to be welcomed back into fellowship again.

Matthew 18:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

So this is why we are not of the letter and we are to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to guide us in all situations since He is in us and is with us always.





Since they had broken their promise, which they should not have promised in the first place for who can plan for tomorrow?

James 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

You may have to start assigning chores for them to do in and around the house, except when they are sick, of course.

Paul was setting the example as a visiting missionary in trying to reprove the practice of some visiting missionary that were hardly working in doing their fair share around the house where they were staying but being out and about being busybodies in other people's affairs.

2 Thessalonians 3:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

They really should have set goals to you and say "God be willing...He shall help us achieve our goals." Since they are well beyond the time they had said they would be staying, they should give updates to you of the status in their lives and of hopeful prospects to show they have been active and still active in trying to be out from under your shelter.

I do not know what it is like in your country if there are any churches that offers food for the poor in your area, but trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to direct your foot steps in the way you should go.
thanks a Lot, we have to follow Jesus, suffer for other, I know It is not an easy task for regular human like me. But after pray and read the response of over brother and sister in this forum, include you, I assign him to clean my yard, and I start think, God Will help me to pay the extra Bill that I use for his family.

But yes I agree that we have to love even our enemy, love other No matter what is not easy, but It is His Will.

I have a friend that think other race is his enemy, after some conversation, he Said, in his childhood, he is the only african america in his Class. He think all his classmate hate him, I believe not every body in his class hate him, may some but he think that way, I ask him how do you know? Can you read what they think? He Said the way they act tell that they hate african american. I believe only Jesus can heal him, he become racist and hate white. While Jesus Said love your enemy.
For some people with certain background seem not easy to fulfil this task.
 

Jackson123

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A dream should never contradict the Bible. If a dream is from God, then you've got the same author of the Bible and the dream, so they should agree! Where caution needs to be exercised is in the interpretation of the dream, because that's down to us!
yep, If that dream come from the Lord.
 
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thanks a Lot, we have to follow Jesus, suffer for other, I know It is not an easy task for regular human like me. But after pray and read the response of over brother and sister in this forum, include you, I assign him to clean my yard, and I start think, God Will help me to pay the extra Bill that I use for his family.

But yes I agree that we have to love even our enemy, love other No matter what is not easy, but It is His Will.

I have a friend that think other race is his enemy, after some conversation, he Said, in his childhood, he is the only african america in his Class. He think all his classmate hate him, I believe not every body in his class hate him, may some but he think that way, I ask him how do you know? Can you read what they think? He Said the way they act tell that they hate african american. I believe only Jesus can heal him, he become racist and hate white. While Jesus Said love your enemy. For some people with certain background seem not easy to fulfil this task.
Well, this does not mean our African American brother is not saved because he hates white. It just means he is not abiding in Him as he ought to be as His disciple. That is how you should apply the Book of 1 John.

1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The apostle John was addressing some believers that for some reasons, had thought sin was no longer sin to them, and so they walked in darkness, living in sin. That was what the first chapter of the Book of 1 John was about whereas some believers read that book to mean that believers can never sin which is another error for reading it in that way when 1 John 2:1-2 testify along with 1 John 1:9 that believers still sin, but they are not supposed to live in unrepentant sin or practice sinning which is the same as walking in darkness. They need His help to lay aside every weight and sin in running that race for living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd.

So when a brother is hating people, may the Lord lead you to point him to Jesus Christ as his example.

1 Peter 2:[SUP]16 [/SUP]As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Matthew 5:[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.[SUP] 44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;[SUP] 45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.[SUP] 46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[SUP] 47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If he feels his class mates hates him for the color of his skin, then he should be encouraged to show the love of Christ in him to others, leaning on Christ to remove any prejudices or bad past experiences they had with African Americans with His love from himself to show that not all African Americans are bad or mean or hateful either. I am sure white people had unpleasant experiences with white people just as African Americans have from other African Americans, but the devil has a way of making people believe that bad experiences are more apt to happen from people of different skin color.

So we cannot allow how the way other people act or not act determine whether to show Christ's love towards others or not since Jesus Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.

Anyway, a professing believer not loving others does is not an indication that he is not saved, but rather that he is not abiding in Him as he ought to be, He should be encouraged to take this "trespass" or "fault" of his to the Lord for help in putting away hatred and malice to help pray for those that he thinks are his enemies and even when they do become outright his enemies for the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do as Jesus did while still on the cross.

Luke 23:[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
 

Jackson123

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Well, this does not mean our African American brother is not saved because he hates white. It just means he is not abiding in Him as he ought to be as His disciple. That is how you should apply the Book of 1 John.

1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The apostle John was addressing some believers that for some reasons, had thought sin was no longer sin to them, and so they walked in darkness, living in sin. That was what the first chapter of the Book of 1 John was about whereas some believers read that book to mean that believers can never sin which is another error for reading it in that way when 1 John 2:1-2 testify along with 1 John 1:9 that believers still sin, but they are not supposed to live in unrepentant sin or practice sinning which is the same as walking in darkness. They need His help to lay aside every weight and sin in running that race for living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd.

So when a brother is hating people, may the Lord lead you to point him to Jesus Christ as his example.

1 Peter 2:[SUP]16 [/SUP]As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Matthew 5:[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.[SUP] 44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;[SUP] 45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.[SUP] 46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[SUP] 47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If he feels his class mates hates him for the color of his skin, then he should be encouraged to show the love of Christ in him to others, leaning on Christ to remove any prejudices or bad past experiences they had with African Americans with His love from himself to show that not all African Americans are bad or mean or hateful either. I am sure white people had unpleasant experiences with white people just as African Americans have from other African Americans, but the devil has a way of making people believe that bad experiences are more apt to happen from people of different skin color.

So we cannot allow how the way other people act or not act determine whether to show Christ's love towards others or not since Jesus Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.

Anyway, a professing believer not loving others does is not an indication that he is not saved, but rather that he is not abiding in Him as he ought to be, He should be encouraged to take this "trespass" or "fault" of his to the Lord for help in putting away hatred and malice to help pray for those that he thinks are his enemies and even when they do become outright his enemies for the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do as Jesus did while still on the cross.

Luke 23:[SUP]33 [/SUP]And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
my interpretation oN matt 25 is If you not invite stranger or racist, Jesus Will say depart from me or go to hell.

I am not judge him, If I am in that situation I may do the same, but that is what Jesus Said in matt 25

and I agree the same white or the same black may hate each other. But same time people hate stranger or racist. Than people that experience Become victim of racist, become racist. It is funny he hate racist, and not aware he is racist.

I agree we still sin, but do not practice sin. For Example Christian may rob the bank, but not AS a job. Then he fell Sorry, turn himself to the authority and pay back the money he had stolen AS much AS he can.

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
 
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heartofdavid

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thanks a Lot, we have to follow Jesus, suffer for other, I know It is not an easy task for regular human like me. But after pray and read the response of over brother and sister in this forum, include you, I assign him to clean my yard, and I start think, God Will help me to pay the extra Bill that I use for his family.

But yes I agree that we have to love even our enemy, love other No matter what is not easy, but It is His Will.

I have a friend that think other race is his enemy, after some conversation, he Said, in his childhood, he is the only african america in his Class. He think all his classmate hate him, I believe not every body in his class hate him, may some but he think that way, I ask him how do you know? Can you read what they think? He Said the way they act tell that they hate african american. I believe only Jesus can heal him, he become racist and hate white. While Jesus Said love your enemy.
For some people with certain background seem not easy to fulfil this task.
Very nice post God bless you sir
 
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heartofdavid

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How do you know the different between dream from the Lord or from you own think?

The last 3 hour I, sleep, but oN and off, every time I sleep I dream, and for 3 time I dream about the same story.

on those dream I heard some body Said, only 2 type of people, people WHO have Love or not.

please give a comment.
Your dream was of God,and possibly from God. God speaks to us several ways. Dreams is one of those ways.
 

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Try talking to a mature believer in the Lord about it. Possibly someone you know personally or a pastor you know.
 

CherieR

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Do you all go to the Bible after you dream and then try to get the Bible to back up your dreams?
I agree that people may do this sometimes. Other times people have a sincere heart when looking to the bible for meaning about their dreams.
 
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Yeah dreams are tough to live with but commonly our dreams are reflections of what we did during the day,especially electronic activities such as video games or television,I can't count how many times I've dreamed I was still playing a game or have a totally randomly bizarre dream that had no meaning,of course the worst for me are the ones that jolt a person awake,but still there is a window always for God to send a dream which is a great blessing,though satan plays his hand too,but oh well he'll just have to get over himself,I serve God now so he can take his tantrums somewhere else,always good to discuss things spoken of in the bible to grow in spirit,good night and keep your faith in God "Everyone",and continue "Learning" God bless you.
 

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Your dream of 2 kinds of people, with Love and without Love, as you know already refers to believers and unbelievers.
It reminds me of this page I read about the time of trouble of the end of the world, this is a copy.

The following is an end-time vision given to an established, seasoned minister of the gospel, Dr. Mark Barclay, and told in his own words. My heart was quickened when I read it and I thought: "This vision needs to be circulated to the body of Christ worldwide for we are seeing the increasing effects of it being unfolded in this hour, although it was given more than 25 years ago."
If you are skeptical of these things I would encourage you to listen to your heart as you read it and allow the Holy Spirit to bear witness with you.
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. ... But the anointing which you have received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. For as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in Him" (1 John 2:20, 27)
Here then is the vision told in the minister's own words:
"In 1987 I was a speaker at a camp meeting in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I spoke during the Thursday evening service. Dr. Kenneth E. Hagin spoke during the Friday evening service. I remember that I had just flown in from meetings in Paris, France. I mentioned to my wife how much I would like to stay and hear Dr. Hagin speak. She agreed.
As Dr. Hagin entered the pulpit, he began to pray in tongues. When he started, I started. A moment later, I was caught up in a vision (I was told later that it was probably more like a trance). As I went into this vision, I remember how Dr. Hagin's voice was getting quieter and quieter, until I could hear him no more. It was so quiet all around me I felt like I could hear my own heartbeat.
All of a sudden I felt evil, as if it were surrounding me. Anger rose up in me, and fear tried to get a grip on me. Suddenly, something caught my attention out of my left eye. I turned hard to the left to see what it was. I saw the circumference of the earth, from one edge to the other, and this horrible black, dark cloud was rising up over the horizon. Somehow I knew it would eventually fill the entire earth.
An alarm went off in me, screaming to me to run away from it as fast as I could. I felt like I should scream at it, to stop it in its tracks by using the name of Jesus. I began to rebuke it and started to say, "In the name of Jesus ... " I didn't quite get it out, and the Lord said, "That will do you no good."
"What?" I said.
The Lord said, "Son, you cannot use My name to stop what I prophesied. I am not causing this dark cloud, but I did prophesy it would happen in the last days."
I remember in the vision that I asked the Lord "What is this? What is this evil, tempestuous, dark cloud?"
The Lord said, "This is what I showed My prophet, Isaiah (Isa. 60:1-2). This is every evil thing you can name. It is every demon, it is every disease, it is sickness and bacterial attacks that haven't even been discovered yet. It will cause humans to do things to humans that aren't even human. It is filled with insanity, and many people will lose their mind and their faculties. It is murder, terror, rape, abuse, terrorism, torture and much worse. It is filled with deceptions, heresies, perversions and filth."
Some things the Lord showed me I have not had permission to speak.
I also saw people—many, many people. Some were running into the dark cloud, and some were being sucked into it. It reminded me of this very powerful Shop-vac I have. It will not only suck up the dirt but also my tools, if I don't pay attention.
I saw may people screaming with terror and actually being dragged into this cloud. Though they were refusing it and resisting it with all their strength, they still did not possess the power to stop it.
I was so disturbed when I saw a cross on someone's pocket or jewelry. I remember saying to the Lord, "Who are those people being drawn into this filth and terror, wearing the Christian symbol of the cross? Who are these people, not even resisting? And who are these people, resisting with all their might but it does them no good? They just keep disappearing into this horrible, evil cloud of gross darkness."
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, these are those who do not have clean hands and a pure heart. They have been warned but ignored the warnings. Some even wanted this filth as their lifestyle."
I asked, "Well, who are these wearing the cross?"
"Oh," the Lord said, "These are the people who claim Me as Savior. Many of them have desired this filth and even fought for it. They make excuses but are not excused. The ones who are resisting thought My prophets were exaggerating and from the old school, and they denied the warnings. Now that this evil has come, they possess little to no power, and certainly not enough to resist and overcome this horrible onslaught of enemy power. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart will be able to totally resist this. It will cover the earth."
There was much more to this, but I began to come out of the vision and once again heard Brother Hagin speaking in tongues from the pulpit.
I asked my wife what had happened, and she said, "Nothing, he hasn't done anything but pray in the spirit."

I began to realize that nobody seemed to see this vision or get caught up into this trance but me. I held my wife's hand a little tighter and began to pray fervently in the spirit. As I did, I got caught up in the spirit again.
Just like before, Brother Hagin's voice got quieter and quieter until it was gone. I found myself alone again. It was so quiet I could hear my own heartbeat. Suddenly, a piercing light hit the corner of my right eye. It was so bright that I instantly shrouded my head with my hands and arms. It reminded me of the intense light that my optometrist uses to examine the back of my eyes. Actually, it was much brighter than that.
Everything within me said, "Turn and look into it. Turn now, and run into it." Yet there was this hesitation because it was so bright it seemed to shine through me. Finally I gave in to it and looked directly at it. With both eyes I saw the depth of this bright cloud. Just like the dark cloud I had seen before, it was coming up over the horizon of the earth. I could tell that it was going to cover the planet. I just knew that I knew that nothing could stop it.
I remembered asking the Lord, "What is this? What is this massive, earth-consuming, bright cloud?"
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, this is My glory. This is the glory cloud that I showed My prophet Isaiah (Isa. 61:1-2). This is what I promised, that My glory will fill the whole earth."
"Well," I asked, "what is inside the cloud?"
"It is filled with the greatest miracles humans have ever seen. It is filled with healing for every disease, and a cure for every sickness. It is power to overcome sin and filth—to receive the truth and reject error, heresy and doctrines of demons. It is a full manifestation of My Spirit. It is the full anointing of Jesus Christ and more, much more."
He showed me other things that I have no permission to speak at this time.

I saw people in this vision, just like before with the cloud of darkness. Many, many people were running into it and almost frolicking in it. It was like my first response—too bright to behold, and then I wanted to run into it. There were those who seemed to want to pull away from this glory cloud.
"Lord, who will enter into this great glory of God and enjoy this awesome power?" I asked.
"Those who have a pure heart and clean hands," the Lord answered. "They are the ones who will escape the horrible vacuum of the evil, dark cloud and be consumed with My glory. I will require you to tell these things to My people at an appointed time."
Now is that time! As I travel the world over, I see both of these manifestations happening. In fact, I see them beginning to intensify. Sometimes I say that both God and Satan are having a revival among men. We will now see more and more people running to each cloud, causing a great gulf or divide. Could this be the separation of sheep and goats, or the separation of wheat and tares?
I am not a conspiracy-theory person. I am not a fear-based preacher. I am not a prophet of doom. So what I am about to say is none of these. But, I am actually witnessing the spirits of the Antichrist, prepping the people of the earth (including many church goers) for the arrival of the Antichrist himself. I see demons (spirits of the Antichrist) going throughout all the earth. They are slowly re-programming the minds of men (doctrines of demons) to systematically disassemble the work of Christ and disengage the army of God.
You can avoid this, if you choose. If you choose not to, you will suffer the consequences. Please don't do that!" —Dr. Mark Barclay (marktbarclay.com