Restoring the Edenic covenant

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pottersclay

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And the Bible proves you wrong....this never stops you from making hay out of sticks though....

When Jesus said all authority has been given to me....He gave us back what Satan stole from Adam....
A. Don't see it that way........what did Satan steal from Adam?
 

Magenta

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A. Don't see it that way........what did Satan steal from Adam?
Is steal the right word? Some say Adam gave Satan dominion of the earth after God gave it to Adam. However, God has dominion over the Earth...

"Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O Lord, and You exalt Yourself as head over all," (1 Chronicles 29:11)

"The earth is the Lord's, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it," (Psalm 24:1)

Bless the Lord, all you works of His. In all places of His dominion. Bless the Lord, O my soul!" (Psalm 103:22)

"... These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come," (Eph. 1:19-21)
 

miknik5

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The ratification part includes sanctions. The sanctions are that. a. The sanctions are promises of benefits that will come if you keep the covenant. “If you keep my covenant, here are the things you’ll get.” It is sort of like what we might the carrot in the pair, the carrot and the stick, when you think about motivating an animal.
b. The sanctions also contained curses. “Here are the bad things that will happen to you if you don’t keep my covenant.” That’s the stick.
All GOD's promises are yes and amen to those who are IN CHRIST JESUS
 

Locutus

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#85
Just mulling things over here - in garden was the tree of life, so there must have been some simple sort of "covenant" is you wish.

And the other mention of the tree of life is in the book of revelation:

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

There can be no doubt that the tree of life mentioned by John is covenant based.
 

stonesoffire

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#86
If you have received the holy spirit then you have been restored to Eden, there is only one source of the living water/the water of life

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Companion verse:

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Thats awesome! I never thought about the source of living water. I love revelation truth! Thank you Locutus!
 

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1 Corinthians 15


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Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.









The above gives such insight.


Glory to GOD and our Messiah always and forever.
 

stonesoffire

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#88
A. Don't see it that way........what did Satan steal from Adam?
I can see that the presence of God walking with Adam was stolen. Innocence in life was stolen. Being supplied with provision without working to sweat was stolen. And royal life with and in God was stolen. That last line I got from David Crowders song Back to the garden. Great song!
 
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heartofdavid

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#89


The covenant with Abraham was unconditional. It was going to happen no matter what. If the sons of Abraham failed, God was about ready to do the same with Moses. The unconditional is by faith. That will never be different no matter what we choose, pro or con. Just explaining further the conditional and unconditional covenants. Some people may say there's a certain number of covenants according to man's traditions, depending on our religious filters.
No,that's like saying if Jesus didn't fulfill his mission,God would use another. The bible was scripted. The people,their deeds,and even their words went down exactly right.

Iow,the bible was written before man even walked the earth.
 
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Keep in mind that we will rule with Christ on this earth. In reading the Bible more closely concerning life after death, Jesus rules here as originally planned from the beginning.
Jesus is ruling right now. Jesus is the King of the universe.

Revelation 1:5 "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--"
 
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heartofdavid

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#91
tell me guys....what does this have to do with the new covenant? The will of inheritance?
There is a doctrine out there called " manifest sons of God".
In it,they teach God wants to restore us back to " sons",and back to the garden.

No,no,no. JESUS is the second Adam,not us.

Further,he will restore the earth beginning with the millennium and part of that is THE THRONE OF DAVID RE ESTABLISHED.
NOT THE GARDEN.

I suspect that is where the edenic thingy is heading.
 
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heartofdavid

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#92
Jesus is ruling right now. Jesus is the King of the universe.

Revelation 1:5 "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--"
Well sorta.

He is sovereign,but has not TAKEN the earth yet.only the born again are under his kingdom.
Under his sovereign rule Satan took man and the earth.
Jesus bought us back,but the earth will come later.

It is in the book of Ruth.
A vivid,vivid depiction of what is about to happen.
 
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heartofdavid

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#93
1 Corinthians 15


15
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.









The above gives such insight.


Glory to GOD and our Messiah always and forever.
Yes,It is all about Jesus
 
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heartofdavid

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#94
Is steal the right word? Some say Adam gave Satan dominion of the earth after God gave it to Adam. However, God has dominion over the Earth...

"Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O Lord, and You exalt Yourself as head over all," (1 Chronicles 29:11)

"The earth is the Lord's, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it," (Psalm 24:1)

Bless the Lord, all you works of His. In all places of His dominion. Bless the Lord, O my soul!" (Psalm 103:22)

"... These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come," (Eph. 1:19-21)
Through woman all men died because Adam /was tempted or died through eve. Death is inherited. The unredeemed are indeed the walking dead.

Now,through woman,Mary all are offers life,because Jesus came through her womb.

What a beautiful God. Woman has been renewed in both reputation and testimony.

In acts it says "...the restoration of all things"
 
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heartofdavid

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#95
Thank you Meggido :) Some count seven covenants, so it
seems two may have been combined by some reckoning :)
Without going back and looking,I am guessing he left off the davidic covenant.
 
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Just mulling things over here - in garden was the tree of life, so there must have been some simple sort of "covenant" is you wish.

And the other mention of the tree of life is in the book of revelation:

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

There can be no doubt that the tree of life mentioned by John is covenant based.
Top add to this thought....God said they could eat of ANY tree in the Garden....now what would the outcome be if they had eaten of the tree of life, before they fell?
 
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There is a doctrine out there called " manifest sons of God".
In it,they teach God wants to restore us back to " sons",and back to the garden.

No,no,no. JESUS is the second Adam,not us.

Further,he will restore the earth beginning with the millennium and part of that is THE THRONE OF DAVID RE ESTABLISHED.
NOT THE GARDEN.

I suspect that is where the edenic thingy is heading.
I suspect that as well...The Edenic ended, it was conditional, and Adam failed the condition...What you say about the throne of David is why the Davidic has not yet been fulfilled.
 

unobtrusive

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Acts 3:21 says, “whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.”

This is most probably a reference to the future period when God will restore the earth to its original condition which existed before the fall of Adam and Eve. We see this reflected in Paul’s comments as well.

Rom. 8:20-21
, “For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”

Another possibility, though less likely, is that it refers to the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel mentioned by Paul in Rom. 11:25-26.

"For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in; 26 and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob."

Still, the first option seems most probable and is further supported by 1 Cor. 15:25-26 which says, “For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.”
 

unobtrusive

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For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
(Romans 8:22)


"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt" (Genesis 6:12a)

After the fall humans and the instigation of nephilim violence these inhabitants were totally destroying the earth.
 
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