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Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?


“… wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal)
destruction … narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality.
There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is!

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom
of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven …
I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you (approved of you); depart
from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)
There’s much more to doing God’s will than merely believing in Jesus!
Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom … see the NT “sin lists”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6).

“You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures
to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22)
There are about 15 NT verses which teach us … the believer must
endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below).

“But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments.”
(Matthew 19:17)
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.”
(John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14)
Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him?

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43)

“For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life)
but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life)
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is
himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)?” (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25)

“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh” (Galatians 5:24)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)(Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption (eternal death)(Galatians 6:7-8)

“… the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received
... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which
I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.(1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

“Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)

“But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in
destruction and perdition (eternal death) … Command those who
are rich … that they may lay hold on to eternal life.” (1 Timothy 6:9-19)

‘My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure
in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn
away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are
the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact,
he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away!

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10)
“He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8)
The “cowardly” include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted
for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast.

“But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything
that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those
who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)

He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and
I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life” (Revelation 3:5)

Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious “overcomer” is …
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21)
Just what did Jesus overcome? Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil.
We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22).

“If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won’t forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:15)
Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven and also blocks you from being healed!

“Fear the Lord and keep His commandments … so that you may be saved.
… So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control.
Keep these commandments. If you do, you will put on the strength of
righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” -- most popular Christian “book” during 100-400 a.d.
Quoted as Scripture by such as Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus.
The Shepherd calls himself: “the Shepherd and messenger of repentance”.)


“Fear God, who has the power … to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:5)
“… unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3 and 13:5)

“… beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh
and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God … your sorrow
(over his first letter to them) led to repentance … For godly sorrow
produces repentance leading to salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:1-10)
Yes, ALL sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance!

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
“When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)


Has Satan deceived you? ... Has he deceived your church?

Satan hates God, and he hates you! … He and his demons work
tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them.
“the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a liar and the father of it (lies)(John 8:44)
“evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world” (Ephesians 6:12)

Have you been deceived into believing in “once saved, always saved”,
and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven?
(Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?)
Heads-up! The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose!
For example: “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … now present
your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:16,19)

Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit
to free them from their bondage to Satan – and from their slavery to sin!
 
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Here's an idea! Rather than coming and condemning the saved, why don't you find a forum of the truly unsaved, atheists, or Muslims, or New Agers, and share this with them!

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" Romans 10:14

Too many people have never opened a Bible, those are the people you need to reach!
 
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Here's an idea! Rather than coming and condemning the saved, why don't you find a forum of the truly unsaved, atheists, or Muslims, or New Agers, and share this with them!

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" Romans 10:14

Too many people have never opened a Bible, those are the people you need to reach!
Is not Romans 9-11 speaking to the Jews?
 
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Here's an idea!
Rather than coming and condemning the saved, why don't you find a forum of the truly unsaved, atheists, or Muslims, or New Agers, and share this with them!
Because the many dozens of dire warnings in the epistles were written to the churches!

Here's an idea ...
why don't you RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses.

If, and when, you do this, you will find ...
"believe" really means "believe, have faith in, trust in, obey ... until death".
This is what the NT teaches.
 
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Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?


“… wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal)
destruction … narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality.
There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is!

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom
of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven …
I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you (approved of you); depart
from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)
There’s much more to doing God’s will than merely believing in Jesus!
Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom … see the NT “sin lists”
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6).

“You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures
to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22)
There are about 15 NT verses which teach us … the believer must
endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below).

“But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments.”
(Matthew 19:17)
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.”
(John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14)
Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him?

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43)

“For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life)
but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life)
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is
himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)?” (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25)

“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh” (Galatians 5:24)
“For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)(Romans 8:13)
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
reap corruption (eternal death)(Galatians 6:7-8)

“… the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received
... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which
I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.(1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

“Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)

“But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in
destruction and perdition (eternal death) … Command those who
are rich … that they may lay hold on to eternal life.” (1 Timothy 6:9-19)

‘My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure
in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn
away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are
the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact,
he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away!

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10)
“He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8)
The “cowardly” include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted
for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast.

“But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything
that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those
who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)

He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and
I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life” (Revelation 3:5)

Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious “overcomer” is …
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21)
Just what did Jesus overcome? Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil.
We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22).

“If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won’t forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:15)
Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven and also blocks you from being healed!

“Fear the Lord and keep His commandments … so that you may be saved.
… So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control.
Keep these commandments. If you do, you will put on the strength of
righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” -- most popular Christian “book” during 100-400 a.d.
Quoted as Scripture by such as Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus.
The Shepherd calls himself: “the Shepherd and messenger of repentance”.)


“Fear God, who has the power … to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:5)
“… unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3 and 13:5)

“… beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh
and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God … your sorrow
(over his first letter to them) led to repentance … For godly sorrow
produces repentance leading to salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:1-10)
Yes, ALL sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance!

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
“When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)


Has Satan deceived you? ... Has he deceived your church?

Satan hates God, and he hates you! … He and his demons work
tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them.
“the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a liar and the father of it (lies)(John 8:44)
“evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world” (Ephesians 6:12)

Have you been deceived into believing in “once saved, always saved”,
and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven?
(Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?)
Heads-up! The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose!
For example: “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … now present
your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:16,19)

Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit
to free them from their bondage to Satan – and from their slavery to sin!
It all applies...We don't live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
 
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“When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.”
(“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)
Well this is quite uplifting.

Well most churches here do beleive in the pre-trib rapture but I do not believe its a deception. You can make a great case for it from the Bible infact.

As for being deceived by satan, I certainly hope I am not, I am trying my best out here, trying to not look back while putting my hand to the plow.

Atleast no one can say you did not provide Scripture.
 
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Because the many dozens of dire warnings in the epistles were written to the churches!

Here's an idea ...
why don't you RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses.

If, and when, you do this, you will find ...
"believe" really means "believe, have faith in, trust in, obey ... until death".
This is what the NT teaches.

I do not believe OSAS but I dont see arguing over it nor seen it change anyones mind one way or the other. I have friends that believe OSAS and they know how I feel. We still commune together,attend church functions together and get along. I know this is a discussion forum but these subjects get so nasty that it is discouraging. Then you have to wonder if there is anything Christian about the discussion at all.
 
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I do not believe OSAS but I dont see arguing over it nor seen it change anyones mind one way or the other. I have friends that believe OSAS and they know how I feel. We still commune together,attend church functions together and get along. I know this is a discussion forum but these subjects get so nasty that it is discouraging. Then you have to wonder if there is anything Christian about the discussion at all.
Indeed. I can see both views have their concerns.
Those who believe in eternal security tend to worry that those who believe you can lose your salvation are saying they are saved by works in contrast to Eph2:8-9 and wonder how much sin until one falls away and so on.
On the other hand those who oppose eternal security make the case that teaching people you are always saved no matter what causes people to sin willfully more than if they are told you will lose it from intentional open rebellion.
(PS: This does not apply to reformed, because they say you will not be in open rebellion if saved. So to them it is not so much OSAS but ISAF (If saved always saved) and it will show in your life)
 
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At least no one can say you did not provide Scripture.
Yes, but these are only a few of my NT favorites.

You should read some of the recent words from the Lord coming through His prophets and watchmen!
After decades of giving His warnings to these people for the church,
He is stepping it up in even greater intensity, especially condemning the pastors.

His big-time judgment of America has really now begun.
Witness Houston ... it will be left totally desolate, uninhabitable!
 
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Then you have to wonder if there is anything Christian about the discussion at all.
Tell Jesus that it is unchristian to warn believers about the consequences of sin.
His warnings are everywhere in the NT ... and you complain about them.
Warnings to the churches are for those believers who are spiritually blind in some areas.
 
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Everyone of the scriptures used in the Op need to be looked at in "context".

For example : Matt. 7:21-23 is viewed through the context.

It is evident that Jesus is talking about false prophets in Matt. 7:15. These are not born-again believers because "inwardly" they are wolves. Christians are NOT wolves. They have a new heart in Christ.

Matthew 7:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said in verse 21:

"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...

( Jesus never said " I used to know you once.". He said I NEVER knew you at all...).

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....because He is Lord and will be for eternity.

Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

John 6:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."


1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)

[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24[/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being led by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him. It is His fruit that bears in and through us.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9[/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast
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[SUP]10[/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
 
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Tell Jesus that it is unchristian to warn believers about the consequences of sin.
His warnings are everywhere in the NT ... and you complain about them.
Warnings to the churches are for those believers who are spiritually blind in some areas.

​If people are believers they read the Bible for themselves and know about the consequences of sin. It is between them and the Lord.All are held accountable because we know the truth.We have the Bible and the Holy Spirit to guide us. I will say again,I do not believe in OSAS.
 
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Everyone of the scriptures used in the Op need to be looked at in "context".

For example : Matt. 7:21-23 is viewed through the context.
It is evident that Jesus is talking about false prophets in Matt. 7:15. These are not born-again believers because "inwardly" they are wolves. Christians are NOT wolves. They have a new heart in Christ.
Yes, and I wish that you would do so!

For example : Matt. 7:21-23 is viewed through the context ...
Jesus says He NEVER knew those who did NOT do the will of the Father.
W. E. Vine insists that "knew" means "approved of".
 
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Because the many dozens of dire warnings in the epistles were written to the churches!

Here's an idea ...
why don't you RECONCILE the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses.

If, and when, you do this, you will find ...
"believe" really means "believe, have faith in, trust in, obey ... until death".
This is what the NT teaches.
So who then loves Jesus so much to be find worth to go to heaven? Do we not all fail?
 
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So who then loves Jesus so much to be find worth to go to heaven? Do we not all fail?
Just simply and sincerely keep repenting of your sins.
And to repent includes forsaking those particular sins.
 

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Just simply and sincerely keep repenting of your sins.
And to repent includes forsaking those particular sins.
Thats one thing. But showe me the one who loves the Lord so much, that he is worth to enter heaven.
 
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Yes, but these are only a few of my NT favorites.

You should read some of the recent words from the Lord coming through His prophets and watchmen!
After decades of giving His warnings to these people for the church,
He is stepping it up in even greater intensity, especially condemning the pastors.

His big-time judgment of America has really now begun.
Witness Houston ... it will be left totally desolate, uninhabitable!
Here we go.
I bet there are a bunch people claming Houston will be left totally desolate and uninhabitable.
But the truth is that just like New Orleans, it will be rebuilt, even a regular joe can deduce that, no prophecies needed. I hope these prophets and watchmen aren't some youtube sensationalists, but I will risk it and ask for you to provide a link.

Everytime something happens in America, there are dozens of prophecies on youtube claiming it is judgment from God. Just wait how excited these guys are when the big earthquake hits california. It is because of hollywood and all the wickedness or something like that. If God were to bring judgment on the world because of its sin, He would just wipe it all out right now, not send a hurricane in the middle of the bible belt. Think about it. Take a deep breath and count to ten.
 
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Here we go.
I bet there are a bunch people claming Houston will be left totally desolate and uninhabitable.
But the truth is that just like New Orleans, it will be rebuilt, even a regular joe can deduce that, no prophecies needed. I hope these prophets and watchmen aren't some youtube sensationalists, but I will risk it and ask for you to provide a link.

Everytime something happens in America, there are dozens of prophecies on youtube claiming it is judgment from God. Just wait how excited these guys are when the big earthquake hits california. It is because of hollywood and all the wickedness or something like that. If God were to bring judgment on the world because of its sin, He would just wipe it all out right now, not send a hurricane in the middle of the bible belt. Think about it. Take a deep breath and count to ten.
I agree. They were saying the same kind of religious nonsense when Katrina hit New Orleans.

The funny thing is - Bourbon Street area which is where all the "sinning" takes place wasn't touched at all. Seems God didn't know where the waters should go in order to bring judgment to them...:rolleyes:..

The reality is - IMO - they are mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and don't really know what the New Covenant actually accomplished in the Lord's death and resurrection and it's relationship to judgment.
 
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Here we go.
I bet there are a bunch people claming Houston will be left totally desolate and uninhabitable.
But the truth is that just like New Orleans, it will be rebuilt, even a regular joe can deduce that, no prophecies needed. I hope these prophets and watchmen aren't some youtube sensationalists, but I will risk it and ask for you to provide a link.

Everytime something happens in America, there are dozens of prophecies on youtube claiming it is judgment from God. Just wait how excited these guys are when the big earthquake hits california. It is because of hollywood and all the wickedness or something like that. If God were to bring judgment on the world because of its sin, He would just wipe it all out right now, not send a hurricane in the middle of the bible belt. Think about it. Take a deep breath and count to ten.


Right! It annoys me when people have this attitude and speak for God. We are under grace at this moment or people would be struck dead left and right,starting with televangelists.lol Why would Texas deserve a catastrophe more than any other state? The governor is a Christian and just declared a day of prayer for the state. Its just nonsense when people say these things.They are people who say the same thing about the Titanic and there were missionaries aboard the ship who drowned also,so how is that fair of God? Its silly.