When Was the Kingdom of God Established?

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[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Whenwas the Kingdom of God established? [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Wasit established in the Beginning when God created the heavens, theearth and life? Or was it established later? We can speculate, but wedefer our own understanding to our faith in God, and if we cannotderive the answer from our faith in God, so be it. For faith involvesthings which we cannot fully understand, although God has shown atleast that He is willing to reason with us, when in Isaiah 1:18 Hesays, “Come now, let us reason together...” But that limits us tothat which God wants us to reason about in His Domain. But since ourforefather ate from the Tree of Knowledge, we are not limited onearth as to what we may gain our understanding about, and in thatregard, everything is fair game.[/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Soit is with that understanding that we may wonder when God's Kingdomwas established. It seems that we first have to define the word“kingdom.” Dictionary.com defines “kingdom” as follows: “2.anything conceived as constituting a realm or sphere of independentaction or control...” Well, in that respect, God's Kingdom firstexisted at the time of the Creation. Not only did he create theheavens and the earth, and life on the earth, He had full controlover it all. He controlled what the heavens and the earth should looklike, and He controlled what man should look like. In his wisdom Hedid not give man wings, so all man's offspring didn't have wingseither. He did not give animals the ability to think like man, but Helimited the animals' thinking to that which they needed to do tosurvive. [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Godcreated and controlled the Flood that came about during the time ofNoah, controlling it so it lasted 40 days and nights. He scatteredthe people during the time of Babel, so in that regard He wascontrolling too. In effect, in all this, God said “This is myKingdom.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Itseems though, that not everyone saw the earth as part of the Kingdomof God. Can a kingdom be established when very few people are awareof its existence? The answer may depend on what the word “establish”means. Dictionary.com defines the word as follows: “1. to found,institute, build, or bring into being on a firm or stable basis: toestablish a university; to establish a medical practice. .. 4. tocause to be accepted or recognized: to establish a custom..6. toenact, appoint, or ordain for permanence, as a law; fix unalterably. [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Regarding1., there is no doubt that God built the heavens and earth and lifeitself. Regarding 4., the recognition may have existed among a fewpeople just after the Beginning, but then that recognition decreasedproportionately as more people populated the earth, from the time thepeople were scattered from Babel. Many had gone after other gods,believing it was those gods who created the heavens and the earth,and who has control over life. And at that point, although God'sKingdom existed, you wouldn't know it from living among such people.[/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Wethen come to number 6, which says, “to enact, appoint, or ordainfor permanence, as a law; fix unalterably.” In that respect, it canbe said that God established His Kingdom with Abraham and hisoffspring, declaring him to father a great nation in God's name. Hedetermined that in a world in which many followed other gods, Abrahamwould be most receptive to the Kingdom on earth established by God.We don't know why God chose Abraham in particular, when his name wasAbram, for we only know from Genesis 11 who Abram's father was, thenin Genesis 12 the Bible jumps right into 12:1-2 which says, “Nowthe LORD said1 to Abram, 'Go from your country and your kindred andyour father's house to the land that I will show you. And I WILL MAKEOF YOU A GREAT NATION, and I will bless you and make your name great,so that you will be a blessing.'” This happens to us all at leastonce a week, right? [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Itcan be rightfully said, then, that God's Kingdom always existed, butas it turns out, the nation under Abraham did not include the rest ofthe people in the world. God's Kingdom was always there, but at thetime, it was only the nation of Abraham that God wanted to bestowbenefits of the Kingdom that others wouldn't have, so it would seem. [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Atthe time the Hebrews of Moses settled into the Promised Land, itappears that God was willing to extend the benefits of His Kingdom toothers, but starting with those that the Hebrews would encounter. Leviticus 19:34 says, “You shall treat the stranger who sojournswith you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself,for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”Well, to love a stranger who has no knowledge of God's Kingdom as onewould love themselves, would include sharing with the stranger theknowledge of God's Kingdom. [/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]Ifthe stranger were invited into the home of a Hebrew, the strangerwould inevitably see certain behavior of the Hebrew which is donebecause of God's Kingdom, and the stranger may thus come to know theexistence of the Kingdom of God for what it is. Jesus saw this asthe calling to spread the Word of God to the rest of the world,particularly since you cannot love someone as you do yourself withoutsharing the good things you have. In that sense, God's Kingdom willnot be established until the entire world accepts Jesus'understanding from God as to how we should conduct ourselves...lovingGod with all our heart, soul, might and mind, and loving eachother aswe love ourselves.[/FONT]
 
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Hey, man. How about pushing that SPACE BAR a little harder?
 

MarcR

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There is no one correct answer; because, the Kingdom of God means different things in different contexts.

In one context the Kingdom of God refers to Jesus end time rule; which, from our perspective, is established in future time.

In another context the Kingdom of God refers to the Lordship of Jesus in each believer's heart. This is established at Salvation.

In still another context, the Kingdom of God refers to the Church, which, unlike the church, refers to all God's faithful in all times and places. This was established sometime before Job wrote:

Job 19:25-27
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
KJV
 

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Well it is not for nothing that Jesus used seed metaphors.

At first subterranean and unseen, then visible, and finally growing into an immense tree.

However, I do think the Kingdom had a start point.
 
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I'm pretty sure it was established here on the Earth, and in us, at the moment of Jesus' ascension.
 

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In Luke, Jesus tells us that the destruction of Judea and Jerusalem means that the Kingdom of God is close at hand

Luke 21 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand

 
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Well it is not for nothing that Jesus used seed metaphors.

At first subterranean and unseen, then visible, and finally growing into an immense tree.

However, I do think the Kingdom had a start point.
I wonder if you realize what a wise statement that was. Especially since most of the church seems to think God's kingdom is limited, while Satan takes over the vast majority of the Earth.... and the people in it.
 
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1COR. 15:50.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

LUKE 17:21.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, The Kingdom of God is within you.
(it would appear that The Kingdom of God is 'inside' of people, but, if you 'look at who'
Jesus is talking to, it is some Pharisees who were plotting to kill Him -
so, was The Kingdom of God IN THEM? we don't think so!!!

some 'Translations' have it correct' when they say, (The Kingdom of God is AMONG you.)
guess Who That Was standing and speaking there, among them???
 

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1COR. 15:50.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

LUKE 17:21.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, The Kingdom of God is within you.
(it would appear that The Kingdom of God is 'inside' of people, but, if you 'look at who'
Jesus is talking to, it is some Pharisees who were plotting to kill Him -
so, was The Kingdom of God IN THEM? we don't think so!!!

some 'Translations' have it correct' when they say, (The Kingdom of God is AMONG you.)
guess Who That Was standing and speaking there, among them???
The Kingdom of God is not a visual event. Fantastic.
Now we have another refutation of the Preterist Folly

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


 

J7

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1COR. 15:50.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

LUKE 17:21.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, The Kingdom of God is within you.
(it would appear that The Kingdom of God is 'inside' of people, but, if you 'look at who'
Jesus is talking to, it is some Pharisees who were plotting to kill Him -
so, was The Kingdom of God IN THEM? we don't think so!!!

some 'Translations' have it correct' when they say, (The Kingdom of God is AMONG you.)
guess Who That Was standing and speaking there, among them???
50 [FONT=&quot]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

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[FONT=&quot]Simply reaffirming that a person must be born again to enter it - no good being just a tribal Israelite [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

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[FONT=&quot]20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Pharisees were looking for a coronation on earth. As Jesus was crowned in Heaven, he is explaining to them that it is an event which would be neither observable, nor at a geographical location on earth.


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oh boy, yu sumpin', and, where does it say that Jesus was 'crowned in heaven,
we must never make assumptions, viable, yet assumptions...
He is already reigning, already crowned...

when we post on assumptions then both parties can draw several conclusions...:eek:

you sound like a good student, we certainly give it our best...and always speak in
Love...oh how we love learning...
 

J7

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Here in Hebrews 1:

(NIV) 8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

 
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this was our point, He was already 'crowned', everything already on earth, written in heaven...
a thought that Jesus conceived before He let it begin...
 

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Acts 2 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Christ means anointed King of Israel (Micah 5:2).
 

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I think it's not too important that we know. Before the foundation of the world is really the best answer.

To know Him and the power of His resurrection. Is my desire. There are some things too high for us. Until I can receive all the smaller things I'll leave the little ones alone. It's peace we are to pursue.
 
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Well it is not for nothing that Jesus used seed metaphors.

At first subterranean and unseen, then visible, and finally growing into an immense tree.

However, I do think the Kingdom had a start point.
Yes in the beginning it was established that he would bring in the new creation as the old vanishes up in smoke on the last day. We do not know Christ after the corrupted rudiments of this creation he cannot be found in a science laboratory as if His kingdom is of this worldism . We are sent from that kingdom as ambassador from a foreign land where our citizenship and birth right come from . It is never established as being here under the Sun.(the time keeper)

Two beginnings or Genesis's. One seen the other not .We walk by faith the unseen eternal, and not by sight after the temporal ...all saints died not receiving the promise.
 

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Well the Kingdom of Heaven began when the Church began/made a quantum leap, at Pentecost AD33

Jesus sat down at God's throne in heaven, and the Holy Spirit was sent down. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and he duly opened the door.