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    Ways To Describe Grace

    1Cor 1:3 . . Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord
    Jesus Christ.

    I seriously doubt that John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer have an adequate
    concept of grace. I suspect that most are under the impression that grace is
    somehow a quantifiable substance like butter and gasoline; but in regards to
    God, grace is an abstract noun that expresses personal qualities apart from

    The New Testament Greek word for "grace" is charis (khar'-ece); which
    means: graciousness.

    Webster's defines graciousness as: kind, courteous, inclined to good will,
    generous, charitable, merciful, altruistic, compassionate, thoughtful, cordial,
    affable, genial, sociable, cheerful, warm, sensitive, considerate, and tactful.

    Cordial stresses warmth and heartiness

    Affable implies easy approachability and readiness to respond pleasantly to
    conversation or requests or proposals

    Genial stresses cheerfulness and even joviality

    Sociable suggests a genuine liking for the companionship of others

    Generous is characterized by a noble or forbearing spirit; viz: magnanimous,
    kindly, and liberal in giving

    Charitable means full of love for, and goodwill toward, others; viz:
    benevolent, tolerant, and lenient.

    Altruistic means unselfish regard for, or devotion to, the welfare of others;
    viz: a desire to be of service to others for no other reason than it just feels
    good to do so.

    Tactful indicates a keen sense of what to do, or say, in order to maintain
    good relations with others in order to resolve and/or avoid unnecessary

    Compassion defines a sympathetic awareness of others' distress, coupled
    with a desire to alleviate it.

    The Old Testament Hebrew word for grace is chen (khane); and means the
    same as charis (e.g. Gen 6:8).

    When you put all those lovely attributes together, you get a pretty good
    picture of the bright side of God's personality. There's a dark side too; but
    grace doesn't go there.


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    Knowing Your Religion is Right

    "Faith is believin' what you know ain't so."
    -- Mark Twain --

    Every so often I get asked how I know that my beliefs are true. My answer
    is: I don't know if they're true. Then of course they follow up with: Then why
    do you believe your beliefs are true when you have no way of knowing
    they're true?

    Most of the people who ask me those kinds of questions are genuine; they're
    not trying to trip me up and make a fool out of me. They really are curious
    about it. So I tell them that though I don't know if my beliefs are true, my
    instincts tell me they are; in other words: I cannot shake the gnawing
    conviction that they're true.

    "I have never seen what to me seemed an atom of truth that there is a
    future life . . . and yet . . .
    I am strongly inclined to expect one."
    -- Mark Twain --

    Twain logically concluded that there is no afterlife, but his instincts did not
    agree with his thinking; and I dare not criticize him for that because even
    my own religion requires that I believe in my heart rather then only in my

    Why does any believer believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
    Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
    Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
    answer? It appeals to them.

    It's a known fact that quite a few voters do their voting not with their head
    but with their gut. In other words, they settle on a candidate based upon
    how they feel about him, and then argue their choice.

    Take for instance President Barack Hussein Obama. A large block of
    Americans voted for him solely on the basis of the color of his skin rather
    than his executive ability. (Ironically Mr. Obama isn't even Black. He's what
    used to be called Mulatto prior to the era of political correctness, but now
    called Mixed Race; viz: his father was Black, but his mother was White.
    Lucky for Mr. Obama that his skin turned out dark or he may never have
    been nominated for US President, let alone elected.)

    "It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
    It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
    -- Mark Twain --

    Bigotry is rampant in the world of religions; and it's not uncommon for
    someone to shriek; "That's a lie!" and/or "You're wrong!" I like to tell bigots
    that they really ought to be a bit more circumspect with their choice of
    words lest the hapless day arrives when they are forced to eat them.

    It is of course impossible that all religions are right; that's pretty much a
    given. But on the other hand, it's very possible that none are right. So I
    would say that when settling upon a religion, don't worry so much about
    picking the one that's right; instead pick the one that's right for you; and if
    none are right for you, then in my estimation; you're just as well off because
    if your heart's not in it; then let's face it; your choice is no less arbitrary
    than randomly selecting cookies out of a jar of 100.


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    The Rich Man, Lazarus, And Abraham

    Fiction can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that,
    though untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

    Fantasy can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that are
    not only untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

    For example: a story about a wooden boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while
    a story about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio
    and the autistic boy is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while
    the other is far removed from normal reality.

    I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
    be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable-- banquets,
    stewards, weddings, farmers sowing seed, pearls, lost sheep, fish nets,
    women losing coins, sons leaving home, wineskins bursting, tares among the
    wheat, leavened bread, barren fig trees, the blind leading the blind, et al.

    Now; if Christ had told one that alleged the moon was made of green
    cheese; we would have good reason to believe that at least that one was
    fantasy; but none of them are like that. No; there's nothing out of the
    ordinary in his parables. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction;
    but never fantasy because none of them are so far removed from the normal
    round of human experience that they have no basis in reality whatsoever.

    Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
    that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
    theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
    man; the father of the Hebrew people, held in very high esteem by at least
    three of the world's prominent religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
    And he's also the friend of God (Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus
    Christ-- a man famous among normal Christians for his honesty and
    integrity --would say something untrue about a famous real-life man;
    especially about one of his Father's buddies.

    And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
    story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
    things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
    commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

    There is something else to consider.

    The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
    it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro

    John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

    John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
    things which I have heard of Him.

    John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
    the Father taught me.

    John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
    sent me.

    So, by alleging that Luke 16:19-31 is fiction/fantasy, the parable theory
    slanders God by insinuating that He's a person of marginal integrity who
    can't be trusted to tell the truth about people, not even about His own
    friends, which is ridiculous seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that
    God cannot lie.

    God's impeccable character is what makes that narrative all the more
    disturbing. Unless somebody can prove, beyond a shadow of sensible doubt,
    that Christ's Father is a tale-spinner; I pretty much have to assume the
    narrative was drawn from real-life; and if not drawn from real life, then at
    least based upon real life.

    In other words: there really is an afterlife place of conscious suffering where
    people endure unbearable anxiety worrying their loved ones are on a road to
    where they are and there is no way to warn them; which brings to mind the
    survivors of the Titanic watching their loved ones go to Davy Jones while
    utterly helpless to do anything about it.

    People for whom I feel the most pity are parents that brought up their
    children to walk in mom and dad's ideological footsteps and the ideology
    turned out to be mistaken. How do people in hell bear up under something
    like that on their conscience?


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    Christ's Demise

    The Koran's Christ didn't pass away on the cross.

    "And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the
    apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it
    appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are
    only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only
    follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure." (The Women 4.157)

    The Bible's Christ fully expired.

    "And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into Thy hands I
    commit my spirit. And having said this, he breathed his last." (Luke 23:46)

    "When they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not
    break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear,
    bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given
    testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and
    he testifies so that you also may believe." (John 19:31-35)

    Since Jesus was somewhat elevated, (it's not stated exactly how high) the
    spear point would have entered his body at an upward angle. The text
    doesn't say which side was penetrated, but from John's description, and
    judging from the intent of the soldier to leave no doubt about Jesus' death,
    the heart side was very likely the side they cut into and the spear point
    would've entered just under his rib cage.

    The heart is surrounded by a membrane called the pericardium; which
    serves to contain a serous material resembling water to prevent the surface
    of the heart from becoming dry and/or chafed by its continual motion. It was
    very likely this which was pierced and from which the water flowed. The
    point of the spear also seems to have reached one of the ventricles of the
    heart, and the blood, yet warm, rushed forth, either mingled with, or
    followed by, the liquor of the pericardium, so as to appear to John to be
    blood and water flowing together. Though not medically accurate in our day,
    John's calling the serous fluid "water" was accurate enough in his own day.

    Had Christ managed to survive the spear he most certainly would have died
    of suffocation. According to the records, his friends covered his face with a
    towel, wrapped him with strips of cloth like a mummy, and coated him with
    a paste consisting of 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes: all of which served to
    not only put him in a straight jacket, but also sealed him in an air-tight
    cocoon of sorts.

    1• The Towel

    "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
    but wrapped together in a place by itself." (John 20:7)

    The koiné Greek word translated "napkin" is soudarion (soo-dar'-ee-on)
    which defines a sweat-cloth; viz: a towel for wiping the perspiration from the
    face, or binding the face of a corpse.

    2• The Mummy

    "Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes" (John

    "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
    but wrapped together in a place by itself." (John 20:7)

    The Greek word translated "wound" is deo (deh'-o) which means to bind

    The Greek word translated "linen cloths" is othonion (oth-on'-ee-on) which
    defines bandages.

    3• The Cocoon

    "And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night,
    and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
    Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the
    spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury." (John 19:39-40)

    Myrrh is a gum resin. The aloe of that day was a thick liquid taken from an
    aromatic tree and used in medicines and cosmetics, etc. Blending those two
    ingredients together produced a nice sticky goo that could be slathered and
    plastered all over the deceased to seal the body and retard putrefaction
    and/or seal in odors and thwart vermin. This was likely the final step just
    prior to wrapping the whole affair in a shroud (Matt 27:59).

    So all told-- the crucifixion, the spear, the face towel, the wrappings, and
    the gooey paste --I think it's pretty safe to conclude that Christ, as he is
    depicted in the Bible, was quite deceased.


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    Christ's Recovery

    There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Christ's
    resurrection. Some say his crucified body came back to life. Some say that
    his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body. Still others say that
    Christ's crucified body not only didn't recover, but he came back with a spirit
    body; and his post resurrection physical appearances were done as an angel
    disguised in a fully-functioning human avatar.

    It's evident that Christ has a glorified body at present (Php 3:20-21). But I
    really don't think such was the case out at the cemetery.

    John 2:19-22 . . Jesus answered them: Destroy this temple, and I will
    raise it again in three days. The Jews replied: It has taken forty-six years to
    build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days? But the temple
    he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his
    disciples recalled what he had said.

    Had not Christ's crucified body revived, then his prediction would be easily
    proven false because the temple he spoke of was "this temple" viz: the body
    he was standing in as he spoke with the Jews.

    Q: If Christ didn't come back from death with the glorified body spoken of in
    Php 3:20-21, then how and when did he obtain it?

    A: Some day the bodies of all Christ's believing followers will be raised from
    the dead and taken up to meet the Lord in the air (1Thes 3:14-17). On the
    way up, the bodies will undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation.
    (1Cor 15:51-53). I think it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's body
    underwent a similar transformation while on the way up to heaven as per
    Acts 1:9 so that today his body is no longer a normal human body; but
    instead a superhuman body to which all his believing followers' bodies will
    one day conform.

    Q: What about the fact that he was able to pass through a locked door?
    (John 20:19). Surely a normal human body could never do such a thing.

    A: Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, walked on water, calmed storms,
    restored withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and
    leprosy, multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the
    dead, withered a fig tree, levitated into the sky, etc. Come on now; what's
    one more miracle more or less for a man like that?

    Q: Why make a big deal out of the nature of Christ's resurrection?

    1: Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove Jesus' bodily
    resurrection because his bodily crucifixion is only half enough to protect
    people from the wrath of God. Though his bodily crucifixion obtains
    forgiveness for people's sins, it does not gain people an acquittal; i.e. a
    verdict of innocence.

    Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised
    to life for our justification.

    The Greek word translated "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which
    means acquittal; i.e. a verdict of innocence; viz: exoneration.

    People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal
    record. Christ's bodily resurrection expunges their record so that on the
    books, it's as though they've never done anything bad.

    This clearing of one's record that I'm talking about is obtained via the
    kindness and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's
    crucified body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus'
    crucified body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether
    the man even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and
    consequently end up put to death in brimstone because records are to be
    reviewed when people stand to face justice at the Great White Throne event
    depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    2: Belief in Christ's bodily resurrection is one of the essential elements of
    the gospel that must be accepted if one is to have any hope at all of
    escaping the lake of brimstone.

    1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brothers, the good news which
    I declared to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, through
    which you are also being saved, with the speech with which I declared the
    good news to you, if you are holding it fast, unless, in fact, you became
    believers to no purpose.

    . . . For I handed on to you, among the first things, that which I also
    received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that
    he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to
    the Scriptures.

    Paul goes on to say that if Christ's crucified body did not revive, then his
    followers haven't a prayer of escaping the sum of all fears.

    1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you
    are still in your sins.

    FYI: What and/or where are the scriptures about which Paul spoke? There's
    at least two. One is the story of Jonah; which Christ appropriated as a "sign"
    of his own resurrection. (Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40). Another is in the book of
    Psalms at 16:8-10 (cf. Acts 2:22-36)


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    2Tim 3:16 . . All Scripture is inspired by God

    The Greek word for "inspired" is theopneustos (theh-op'-nyoo-stos) which is
    a combination of theo which means God, and pneustos which means to
    inflate: as in blowing up a balloon or a soccer ball and/or filling a boat's sails
    with wind.

    Theopneustos is probably about as close as you'll get for a Greek word
    corresponding to Gen 2:7 where it's stated:

    "Then Yhvh God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his
    nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

    "breathed into" is pretty much what theopneustos says. But the breath of life
    isn't artificial respiration. Pumping air into a corpse doesn't work. It's been
    tried. The breath of life is a mysterious energy with enough power to even
    make solid rock sentient. (Luke 3:8)

    What all this means is: scripture is more than just text-- God has willed
    scripture to have a peculiar kind of life all its own.

    Heb 4:12-13 . . For the word of God is living and active and sharper than
    any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of
    both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the
    heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open
    and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

    Scripture, then, is a divine agent: it speaks about God, it speaks for God,
    and it speaks as God. In a manner of speaking then: scripture can be
    thought of as a close encounter.

    "In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance
    for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of
    the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in
    whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves." (Paulus PP
    VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)

    Paulus PP VI said it well. So then: when people listen to the Bible, they listen
    to God; and when they mock and ridicule the Bible, they mock and ridicule

    The voice of God is set to be called as a witness in the prosecution's case
    against certain individuals.

    John 12:48-49 . . He who rejects me, and does not receive my sayings,
    has one who judges him: the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last
    day. For I did not speak on my own initiative, but the Father himself who
    sent me has given me commandment, what to say, and what to speak.


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    "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private

    The KJV's obsolete language is misleading. Here's that same passage in
    updated language.

    2Pet 1:20-21 . . Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of
    Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy
    never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were
    carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    That passage isn't talking about one's own personal understanding of
    prophecy, rather, the origin of prophecy. In other words: the sayings of the
    prophets didn't arise from human reasoning and a fertile imagination. No,
    they got their sayings directly from God.

    Now, the sayings they got from God are not quite the same as the sayings
    that you see in print. No, the sayings you see in print are the prophets'
    interpretations of the sayings they got from God; viz: they translated God's
    language and grammar into common language and grammar that you and I
    can understand. That's pretty amazing when you think about it.

    For example: Jesus once said that his words are spirit (John 6:63). Well that
    right there is a bit of a problem because I don't have in my possession an
    Enigma machine designed to decode spirit words; so were I not blessed with
    the anointing as per 1John 2:26-27, I'd be sort of like a blind man in a dark
    room looking for a black cat that isn't there when it comes to spirit words.

    1Cor 2:12-13 . .We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit
    who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
    This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
    words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.


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    Sons And Bums

    Deut 21:18-21 . . If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not
    obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline
    him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders
    at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
    stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a
    drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must
    purge the evil from among you.

    The Hebrew word for "profligate" is zalal (zaw-lal') which, among other
    things, means to be morally loose and/or worthless

    The word for drunkard refers to heavy drinking; which could refer to wild
    parties and such.

    Those words don't describe minor children, rather, of-age children, i.e.
    legally adults still living at home and mooching off their parents instead of
    out on their own, working for a living to support themselves.

    There's a rule of thumb that says "When you live in our house, you'll live by
    our rules". Well; the bum described in Deut 21:18-21 not only mooches off
    his parents, but does whatever he pleases in their home, not caring how
    mom and dad might feel about anything.

    These days that's becoming more and more common when 26 is the new 21.
    Kids are staying home longer than they used to. Well; there's nothing
    intrinsically wrong with kids staying home longer, but when their lifestyle
    becomes intolerable for their parents, it's time for them to move out.

    Why is the punishment so severe for bums? Well for starters; it violates one
    of the Ten Commandments.

    Ex 20:12a . . Honor your father and your mother,

    Failure to comply with that command merits dying before one's time.

    Ex 20:12b . . that your days may be prolonged in the land which Yhvh
    your God gives you. (cf. Eph 6:1-3)


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    Jephthah's Daughter

    Judg 11:30-32 . . And Jephthah made a vow to Yhvh and said: If you will
    indeed give the sons of Ammon into my hand, then it shall be that whatever
    comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from
    the sons of Ammon, it shall be the Lord's, and I will offer it up as a burnt

    Some of the "houses" back in that day were constructed as an enclosed
    compound; which included a courtyard. Around the periphery of the
    courtyard were the family's living quarters and sometimes accommodations
    for certain of the family's animals. The "door" of the house served not as an
    entry to the family's living quarters, rather, as a gate to the courtyard.

    Something very similar to that description is depicted in the Charlton Heston
    movie Ben Hur. I rather suspect that at least of few of the animals were
    allowed to freely roam the courtyard and were Jephthah's intended sacrifice
    rather than his kin. That would help explain the bitter disappointment he
    expressed when his daughter met him first.

    As for giving his daughter to the priests for a burnt offering; that just wasn't
    done. Human sacrifice isn't specified in the covenant that Yhvh's people
    agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
    Deuteronomy; so offering a human on the Altar would have been a violation.

    Deut 4:2 . .You shall not add anything to what I command you or take
    anything away from it, but keep the commandments of the Lord your God
    that I enjoin upon you.

    Deut 5:29-30 . . Be careful, then, to do as the Lord your God has
    commanded you. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left: follow only the
    path that the Lord your God has enjoined upon you

    In the end, Jephthah's daughter didn't bewail the loss of her life; rather, the
    loss of any hope of having a family of her own. I've a feeling she joined
    other women of Israel dedicated to assisting with things in and around the
    Temple vicinity (cf. 1Sam 2:22). According to 1Cor 7:34, that vocation is
    better suited to unencumbered single women than married.


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    Of Babes And Bears

    2Kgs 2:23-24 . . And [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as
    he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city,
    and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou
    bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the
    name of The Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and
    tare forty and two children of them."

    It would appear from the 1611 KJV that Elisha was guilty of criminal child
    abuse. But to begin with, there's two different Hebrew words translated
    "children" in that passage.

    In verse 23, the word is na` ar (nah'-ar) which has a pretty wide
    application; and more than one meaning: 1) a boy from the age of infancy
    to adolescence 2) a servant (of either gender) 3) a girl (of similar latitude in.
    age as a boy)

    The word in verse 24 is yeled (yeh'-led) which has even more latitude than
    na` ar; and just simply means offspring, viz: the young of either man or
    beast, e.g. Gen 30:26 where yeled indicates not only Jacob's sons, but also
    his daughter Dinah. In other words: yeled speaks of somebody's kids; in this
    case the wayward kind, i.e. juvenile delinquents.

    A far more rational scenario is that Elisha was accosted by a youth gang; not
    by a posse of unsupervised little toddlers; as some have supposed. Youth
    gangs can be dangerous at times; and Elisha was very lucky to get away
    before they attacked him. The curse of the bears was obviously an act of self
    defense. They ran interference for Elisha; distracting the youths; thus
    creating an opportunity for Elisha to get away before the gang did more to
    him than just taunting.

    Here's a paraphrased way to look at it.

    "From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road,
    some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. Go on up, baldy; they
    said. Let's see you go on up too, chrome dome. He turned around, looked at
    them and called down a curse on them in the name of The Lord. Then two
    bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths."


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    Spiritual Body vs Spirit Body

    1 Cor 15:44 . . It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If
    there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

    Watch as I revise that passage because the difference is significant.

    "It is sown a natural body, it is raised up a spirit body. If there is a natural
    body, there is also a spirit body."

    No; it doesn't say spirit body but nevertheless that's what some people have
    decided it ought to say.

    The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily
    refer to spirit. Below is a list of spiritual things that bear absolutely no
    resemblance whatsoever to the body chemistry of an angel or a demon.

    Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
    Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
    Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
    Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
    Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
    Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
    Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
    Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
    Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
    Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
    Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
    Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

    The spiritual body spoken of at 1Cor 15:44 is in no way composed of spirit.
    Of what material it is composed I don't know; but I do know at least three
    things about it.

    1• The spiritual body is patterned after Christ's body.

    "Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a savior from there, the
    Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything
    under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his
    glorious body." (Php 3:20-21)

    2• The spiritual body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods and

    "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I
    tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of
    God." (Luke 22:15-16)

    "I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day
    when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt 26:29)

    "You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a
    kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and
    drink at my table in my kingdom." (Luke 22:28-30)

    3• The spiritual body is capable of being seen by the naked eye.

    "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has
    been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you
    have watched him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)

    "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even
    those who pierced him." (Rev 1:7)


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    Non Binary Identification

    The non binary political movement consists of people who give no
    importance to identifying one's self as either male or female, and prefer to
    speak of themselves with neuter pronouns, for example: it, its, that, they,
    and them.

    I've no reservations whatsoever that humanity's creator regards non gender
    people as freaks of nature; in other words: non gender people are not of His
    making because His making was two genders: male and female.

    Gen 1:27 . . God created Man in his own image, in the image of God
    created He him; male and female created He them.

    Matt 19:4 . . Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning
    made them male and female?

    If people can't agree with humanity's creator on something as elementary as
    their gender designations as per Gen 1:27 and Matt 19:4, then I have to
    assume that they disagree with Him on many other issues far more
    important than that.

    There's a term for people unable to accept themselves as the person they
    really are. I think it might be called Dissociative Disorder. There was a time
    when society confined people with those kinds of conditions to psychiatric
    facilities for observation and therapy, but nowadays political correctness
    requires that they be "included". But God-honoring Christian churches dare
    not accept into their official membership roles someone known to be non

    Heb 12:15 . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no
    bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

    A bitter root is one belonging to a species unfit for human consumption.
    When you find noxious vegetation sprouting in your garden, you've got to
    get out there with a hoe and dig that stuff up before it spreads out of


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