Where Does Jesus Speak about the Millennium (Continued)

[Ahwatukee]

No DC. In chapter 2 Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar that he is the first king seen in the vision. Babylon is the first kingdom. In Chapter 7, Babylon has already fallen which leaves only three kingdoms remaining. In chapter 11 Daniel gives the historical breakdown of the events that surrounded the remaining four kingdoms. You are having to force the others into the narrative.

Greetings oldhermit,

Though there are four kingdoms mentioned, the ten-toed kingdom of partly baked clay and Iron, which is yet to come, is an extension or revival of the fourth kingdom of Rome. And just as the scripture states, just as the iron and baked clay don't adhere to one another, in the same way the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

Mystery Babylon of Revelation is not speaking about the ancient kingdom of Babylon, but of the type of Babylon that is to come and is already here, which is represented by the woman who rides the beast, which is pointing to Roman Catholicism's religious system and her commerce, which will become even greater once the anitchirst is revealed.

The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth:

At the time that John was receiving this information from the angel, Rome was that great city that ruled over the kings of the earth, which is pointing us to her counterfeit religious system that would arise.

The seven heads are seven hills upon which the woman sits:

Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills

The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet:

Rome/Vatican is that woman who is dressed in purple and scarlet, for these are the very colors of the bishops and cardinals of the Rome's Vatican.

Therefore, Mystery Babylon is not referring to the actual Babylon of Nebuchadnezzar, but to Roman Catholicism and her headquarters as a type of Babylon, in whom can be found all of the religious practices and rituals stemming from ancient Babylon.

For example, Mary worship is just a transposition of queen of heaven worship. Their promotion of Mary and Jesus is a transposition of mother and son worship. Their worship of a pantheon of god's is a transposition of their practice of prayer to the saints. All of these and more stemming from ancient Babylon. Even the Mitre hat that the pope wears is transposition from the fish hat that the priests of Dagon of the Philistines wore, which also stems from ancient Babylon.

The second beast of Revelation 13, the false prophet, will be played by one of the future popes, the leader of the woman, Roman Catholicism. He will be given power to perform those miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast, the antichrist and that for the sake giving him authentication regarding his claim of being God.

Mystery Babylon is already here and has been here, but she will come back into power once that antichrist is revealed. The antichrists reign and the pope as the false prophet, will give the pope and Roman Catholicism the power that it once had and more.

Currently there are over 1.2 billion Catholics. Once that antichrist comes and the false prophet begins to perform his miracles, signs and wonders, the devout will become more even more devout and all of those counterfeit splinter groups referring to themselves as Christian (Mormons, JW's, etc.) will be deceived and will merge with Roman Catholicism becoming apart of Mystery Babylon, the one world religion.

 

[oldhermit]

LOL. The woman, the great harlot is not the Vatican empire, it was Jerusalem.

 

[Locutus]

I've asked dispensationalists this before - what mechanism transfers the blood guilt from O' Jerusalem "that kills the prophets" to another entity such as the RC church?

Of course they squirm around and talk about all the Christians that have been killed throughout the ages, including the ones at the hands of the RC church.

But that does not nullify the judgment that was meted out on the city of Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD

 

[Ahwatukee]

LOL. The woman, the great harlot is not the Vatican empire, it was Jerusalem.

LOL! No, it isn't! You're just repeating the false teachings that you have adopted. The woman of Rev.12 is not the same woman of Rev.17-18.

 

[Locutus]

I just realised Ahataboy started a new thread and posted in it.

 

[oldhermit]

LOL! No, it isn't! You're just repeating the false teachings that you have adopted. The woman of Rev.12 is not the same woman of Rev.17-18.

No the woman in chapter 12 is the nation of Israel in general through whom the Messiah came - the man child. The woman of chapter 17 is Jerusalem. This is continued in chapter 18. Let me show you.

By oldhermit

The Funeral Dirge of Babylon, 1-8

A. The proclamation, “After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illumined with his glory. And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying,

1. “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!” The falling of this once great city into destruction is in keeping with her spiritual fall. She had destroyed herself spiritually and now, God will destroy her through war. Her level of physical destruction was measured out according to the depths of her uncleanness.
2. “She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.” This is not talking about the city post destruction. He is not talking about the devastated city as place haunted by demons and spirits. He is not describing a geographical landscape. This is describing the moral character of the city that resulted in her destruction. Spiritually speaking, she had become full of demons, unclean spirits, and birds of prey. These descriptive terms are employed because of immoral affiliations with the nations, not because she was destroyed. This speaks of spiritual decline. Thishad reduced Jerusalem to an immoral, unclean predator who preyed on the helpless and persecuted the Christians. The reason behind this is illustrated by the following statements. “For(because) all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.” The appetites of this voluptuous city for luxury and decadence had drawn trade for the most precious goods of the world from the other nations.

B. Warning issued to the faithful
“I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”

1. The plea was not only for the saints to distance themselves from this city and her state of immorality and uncleanness, it was also a plea for repentance, 2Corinthians 6:16-18, “Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. “Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,” says the Lord. “AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” says the Lord Almighty.” This is from Isaiah 52:11 as God urged those who would return to the Lord to separate themselves from the unfaithful city. Now, this angel is calling upon those in Jerusalem who would return to the Lord to separate themselves from this demon-filled and unclean spirit infested city. Do not become participants with her in her sins. The consequences will be participation in her plagues.
2. “Sins have piled up as high as heaven” is simply another way of saying her iniquity has become full. “Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete,” Genesis 15:16.

C. The call for vengeance,
This was the plea of the saints beneath the altar in 6:10, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

1.The time for payback has come and the plea goes up, “give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her.”
2. Self-glorification to be rewarded with torment and mourning. Jerusalem had assimilated the same attitudes of which King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had been guilty hence the quote from Isaiah 47:8-9 regarding ancient Babylon. “To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I SIT as A QUEEN AND I AM NOT A WIDOW, and will never see mourning.’ Jerusalem felt secure in the notion that she was the beloved city of God. She felt confident that no evil could come upon her. She had become arrogant and proud. “For this reason in one day her plagues will come (in other words, sudden judgment would descend upon her quickly.), pestilence and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the Lord God who judges her is strong.” The same fate that befell that ancient city will be visited upon Jerusalem for “God has remembered her iniquities.” Read God's pronouncement upon Babylon in Isaiah 47. This was a mocking and hopeless fate that awaited that city and now God is reading those same charges against Jerusalem and pronouncing upon her the same miserable fate. No wonder God has assigned the name “Babylon the Great” to this once faithful city turned harlot. She had become like Babylon of old.

II. Lament for Babylon, 9-24
The following is a funerary lament by the merchants of the earth over the fall of Jerusalem. Compare the type of language used in this text with that of Isaiah 52 and Jeremiah 51 regarding God's judgments upon ancient Babylon.
“And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, (They fear the wrath of Rome.) saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’ “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more – (Jerusalem was one of the richest cities of the first century and when Jerusalem fell the nations lost a very lucrative trade market.) cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble, and cinnamon and spice and incense and perfume and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and cargoes of horses and chariots and slaves and human lives.” (This represents a very extensive clientele of nations and one of the trade items was the slave market. This gives us some idea of the scope and size of the market in Jerusalem. Josephus recorded, “Nor indeed is Judea destitute of such delights as come from the sea, since its maritime places extend as far as Ptolemais: it was parted into eleven portions, of which the royal city Jerusalem was supreme, and presided over all the neighboring country, as the head does over the body.”). Jerusalem was the chief of international commerce. “The fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them.” (Jerusalem had lived in extravagant luxuryand felt secure in their wealth and in their international trade relations). “The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls; for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every ship master and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What city is like the great city?’ “And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’ (The fall of Jerusalem had far reaching global economic repercussions. The flow of commerce to and from Jerusalem with the trading nations was gone.) “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.” (God is avenging the blood of all the righteous that Jerusalem has ever been guiltyof shedding. Now those who had been slain for the Lord could rejoice in her destruction). “Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. (This is the same this as the “great mountain” being thrown into the sea in 8:8. The sea represents the collective of humanity or the nations. Whoever remained of Israel would be scattered among the nations.) “And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer; and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; (In other words Jerusalem was to become a dead city.) for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. “And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.”In this is fulfilled he words of Jesus in Matthew 23:35, “So that upon you (Jerusalem) may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.”

 

[oldhermit]

LOL! No, it isn't! You're just repeating the false teachings that you have adopted.

Once I accepted millennial theories as fact but there were just so may questions I could not reconcile with scripture. Every question I ask received an variety of answers from others and more often than not the answers were contradictory. This became so confusing to me that finally I decided that I would simply set aside everything I thought I know about this subject and dispense will all secondary and tertiary sources of information and start at the beginning from the biblical text alone to put all of this together. What I found was rather remarkable and it changed my entire eschatological views.There is just simply no symmetry between millennial eschatology and biblical eschatology.

 

[shrume]

Once I accepted millennial theories as fact but there were just so may questions I could not reconcile with scripture. Every question I ask received an variety of answers from others and more often than not the answers were contradictory. This became so confusing to me that finally I decided that I would simply set aside everything I thought I know about this subject and dispense will all secondary and tertiary sources of information and start at the beginning from the biblical text alone to put all of this together. What I found was rather remarkable and it changed my entire eschatological views.There is just simply no symmetry between millennial eschatology and biblical eschatology.

That is your opinion. Many of us are convinced millennial eschatology is biblical eschatology.

 

[iamsoandso]

No the woman in chapter 12 is the nation of Israel in general through whom the Messiah came - the man child. The woman of chapter 17 is Jerusalem. This is continued in chapter 18. Let me show you.

By oldhermit

The Funeral Dirge of Babylon, 1-8

A. The proclamation, “After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illumined with his glory. And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying,

1. “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!” The falling of this once great city into destruction is in keeping with her spiritual fall. She had destroyed herself spiritually and now, God will destroy her through war. Her level of physical destruction was measured out according to the depths of her uncleanness.
2. “She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.” This is not talking about the city post destruction. He is not talking about the devastated city as place haunted by demons and spirits. He is not describing a geographical landscape. This is describing the moral character of the city that resulted in her destruction. Spiritually speaking, she had become full of demons, unclean spirits, and birds of prey. These descriptive terms are employed because of immoral affiliations with the nations, not because she was destroyed. This speaks of spiritual decline. Thishad reduced Jerusalem to an immoral, unclean predator who preyed on the helpless and persecuted the Christians. The reason behind this is illustrated by the following statements. “For(because) all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.” The appetites of this voluptuous city for luxury and decadence had drawn trade for the most precious goods of the world from the other nations.

B. Warning issued to the faithful
“I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”

1. The plea was not only for the saints to distance themselves from this city and her state of immorality and uncleanness, it was also a plea for repentance, 2Corinthians 6:16-18, “Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. “Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,” says the Lord. “AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” says the Lord Almighty.” This is from Isaiah 52:11 as God urged those who would return to the Lord to separate themselves from the unfaithful city. Now, this angel is calling upon those in Jerusalem who would return to the Lord to separate themselves from this demon-filled and unclean spirit infested city. Do not become participants with her in her sins. The consequences will be participation in her plagues.
2. “Sins have piled up as high as heaven” is simply another way of saying her iniquity has become full. “Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete,” Genesis 15:16.

C. The call for vengeance,
This was the plea of the saints beneath the altar in 6:10, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

1.The time for payback has come and the plea goes up, “give back to her double according to her deeds; in the cup which she has mixed, mix twice as much for her.”
2. Self-glorification to be rewarded with torment and mourning. Jerusalem had assimilated the same attitudes of which King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had been guilty hence the quote from Isaiah 47:8-9 regarding ancient Babylon. “To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I SIT as A QUEEN AND I AM NOT A WIDOW, and will never see mourning.’ Jerusalem felt secure in the notion that she was the beloved city of God. She felt confident that no evil could come upon her. She had become arrogant and proud. “For this reason in one day her plagues will come (in other words, sudden judgment would descend upon her quickly.), pestilence and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the Lord God who judges her is strong.” The same fate that befell that ancient city will be visited upon Jerusalem for “God has remembered her iniquities.” Read God's pronouncement upon Babylon in Isaiah 47. This was a mocking and hopeless fate that awaited that city and now God is reading those same charges against Jerusalem and pronouncing upon her the same miserable fate. No wonder God has assigned the name “Babylon the Great” to this once faithful city turned harlot. She had become like Babylon of old.

II. Lament for Babylon, 9-24
The following is a funerary lament by the merchants of the earth over the fall of Jerusalem. Compare the type of language used in this text with that of Isaiah 52 and Jeremiah 51 regarding God's judgments upon ancient Babylon.
“And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, (They fear the wrath of Rome.) saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’ “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more – (Jerusalem was one of the richest cities of the first century and when Jerusalem fell the nations lost a very lucrative trade market.) cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble, and cinnamon and spice and incense and perfume and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and cargoes of horses and chariots and slaves and human lives.” (This represents a very extensive clientele of nations and one of the trade items was the slave market. This gives us some idea of the scope and size of the market in Jerusalem. Josephus recorded, “Nor indeed is Judea destitute of such delights as come from the sea, since its maritime places extend as far as Ptolemais: it was parted into eleven portions, of which the royal city Jerusalem was supreme, and presided over all the neighboring country, as the head does over the body.”). Jerusalem was the chief of international commerce. “The fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them.” (Jerusalem had lived in extravagant luxuryand felt secure in their wealth and in their international trade relations). “The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls; for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every ship master and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What city is like the great city?’ “And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’ (The fall of Jerusalem had far reaching global economic repercussions. The flow of commerce to and from Jerusalem with the trading nations was gone.) “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.” (God is avenging the blood of all the righteous that Jerusalem has ever been guiltyof shedding. Now those who had been slain for the Lord could rejoice in her destruction). “Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. (This is the same this as the “great mountain” being thrown into the sea in 8:8. The sea represents the collective of humanity or the nations. Whoever remained of Israel would be scattered among the nations.) “And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer; and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; (In other words Jerusalem was to become a dead city.) for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. “And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.”In this is fulfilled he words of Jesus in Matthew 23:35, “So that upon you (Jerusalem) may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage after ad66 Israel was not a part of the Roman economical structure.

 

[oldhermit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage after ad66 Israel was not a part of the Roman economical structure.

She was still under Roman rule and was on of the ten tributary kings of Rome who "have no kingdom of their own because they receive their authority from the beast for a little while" from chapter 17.

 

[iamsoandso]

She was still under Roman rule and was on of the ten tributary kings of Rome who "have no kingdom of their own because they receive their authority from the beast for a little while" from chapter 17.

in Rev.17 the ten kings had not received any kingdom as yet Rev.17;12,,,so then following the quote in post #1 and following along with your dialogue with d.c. the ten kings are they Jewish or Roman?

 

[oldhermit]

in Rev.17 the ten kings had not received any kingdom as yet Rev.17;12,,,so then following the quote in post #1 and following along with your dialogue with d.c. the ten kings are they Jewish or Roman?

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.” 'Horns' typically refer to power or authority. These are the ten tributary kings of Rome who are represented by various nations over whom Rome claimed power and who have no kingdom of their own because they receive their authority from Rome for a little while.

“These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. These will wage war against the Lamb...” These tributary kings exist only to give their power and authority to the beast. These join with the beast in the persecution of the saints – “war against the Lamb.”

 

[oldhermit]

Babylon is not the only derogatory name given to Jerusalem in Rev. She is also called Egypt and Sodom in chapter 11.

 

[iamsoandso]

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.” 'Horns' typically refer to power or authority. These are the ten tributary kings of Rome who are represented by various nations over whom Rome claimed power and who have no kingdom of their own because they receive their authority from Rome for a little while.

“These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. These will wage war against the Lamb...” These tributary kings exist only to give their power and authority to the beast. These join with the beast in the persecution of the saints – “war against the Lamb.”

Still Israel minted their own coins in ad66 and revolted against Rome's authority so they had not yet been given any kingdom for one hour and surly if they were destroyed in ad70 by Rome they were not in alignment in any sort with Rome.

 

[oldhermit]

Still Israel minted their own coins in ad66 and revolted against Rome's authority so they had not yet been given any kingdom for one hour and surly if they were destroyed in ad70 by Rome they were not in alignment in any sort with Rome.

Actually, Agrippa II (27-100 A.D.) succeeded his father as king but he did not actually rule in Jerusalem but north of Palestine.

 

[Ahwatukee]

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.” 'Horns' typically refer to power or authority. These are the ten tributary kings of Rome who are represented by various nations over whom Rome claimed power and who have no kingdom of their own because they receive their authority from Rome for a little while.

“These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. These will wage war against the Lamb...” These tributary kings exist only to give their power and authority to the beast. These join with the beast in the persecution of the saints – “war against the Lamb.”

The ten horns are those ten future kings of the ten-toed kingdom, who will rule with the beast and will give all of their power and authority to the beast. These will be those future kings of the ten-toed kingdom which is yet to come.

 

[oldhermit]

The ten horns are those ten future kings of the ten-toed kingdom, who will rule with the beast and will give all of their power and authority to the beast. These will be those future kings of the ten-toed kingdom which is yet to come.

Nonsense. You are in over your head here. Perhaps you need to pick on someone else.

 

[iamsoandso]

Actually, Agrippa II (27-100 A.D.) succeeded his father as king but he did not actually rule in Jerusalem but north of Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Agrippa_II Agrippa2 sent troops to support Rome so that would mean that those in Jerusalem during the siege were not connected with Rome/beast.

 

[oldhermit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Agrippa_II Agrippa2 sent troops to support Rome so that would mean that those in Jerusalem during the siege were not connected with Rome/beast.

No, he was still the appointed king of the Jews and was recognized as such by the emperor. If I am not mistaken, did he not later return to Jerusalem sometime around 71 or 72?

 

[iamsoandso]

No, he was still the appointed king of the Jews and was recognized as such by the emperor. If I am not mistaken, did he not later return to Jerusalem sometime around 71 or 72?

Not if Babylon came to it's end in ad70?