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    phil,

    perhaps you will or can expound on your own dialogue with us here in the Thread,
    on what you deem, important Pauline issues?

    we've just come-on the 'thread', so if you have already done this, we will understand
    not caring to 'repeat' again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Hi Rainrider,

    I've been reading through your posts, However, I have to admit that they seem somewhat lacking. What I mean is what was Paul's view of our union with Christ, how did he use scripture to show this? What was his view on Justification how did he use the OT to show this and prove his point?, what was Paul's view on the relationship of justification and sanctification? and the list goes on? You don't answer any of these and yet you are setting yourself up as an expert on Pauline studies.

    Since your are reading Pauline studies could your give me a synopsis on the New perspective, if you have been doing Pauline studies you will certainly be able to describe it and give a good reason to either believe it or refute it?

    Also what do you think about Peter recognising Paul's letters as on the same level as the OT therefore scripture NT, is it a problem of cannonization or transmission or is it a problem of circulation? I am sure we all await your dialogue on these important Pauline issues.
    Two things I must say. First I don't know everything, and never said I came close to it.
    The other is that being dyslexic, has left me at a disadvantage, in many ways. My eyes will not stay focused for long, so many of my post can take me from 2 to 3 hours to write. It has also left me with a vary small number of teachers to work with. Most will not work with you if you can't work at their pace, so I have been blessed with some Teachers that have worked with, at my pace, and are willing to over look when I get a letter wrong. Like if I place a d when it should be a b. Or a w rather than an m, and so on. or get hem backwards in the word. The most common is teh, rather than the.
    At the same time, it has meant that I have spent most of the last 15years studying the Torah only. So I may a bit new at the NT, yet that doesn't mean in my mind I don't have an understanding of what I read, or say. Also, as is a custom of mine, I try hard not to put my thoughts and words into a study. As this leads mostly leads to disruption, and can fill a threat with so muct that doesn't need to be there.
    Don't get me wrong, I study every week now with pastors from different walks of faith. I now am able to keep up in many online classes, and ever teach one of my own. It is mostly for others that have dyslexia, and is my way of helping the Rabbis that have taken their time to help me. What you ask for, is not something I will open the door to. You see, I learn sometime back that for me to open that door, leads to overly long post, on both sides. As it may take me up to 3 days just some I have seen, I do my best to keep my post as short as I can. That is done out of respect for any that may have the same problem as I do.
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    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    it's like a miracle, you being able to 'post and say' the things that you can,
    especially at the disadvantage that you have shared with all of us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldethennew View Post
    it's like a miracle, you being able to 'post and say' the things that you can,
    especially at the disadvantage that you have shared with all of us...
    HaShem gives us what we need to do what He leads us to do. It seems (at lest to me) that He does best work when we must rely on His strength, and not our own.
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    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainrider View Post
    HaShem gives us what we need to do what He leads us to do. It seems (at lest to me) that He does best work when we must rely on His strength, and not our own.


    INDEED!!!!!!!
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    Blessings on you! (Nu 6:24-26)


    Col 3:16-17
    16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

    KJV

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    Some see the book of Corinthians as a reply to the church. Paul had written to them before, as will be seen in 5:9 I think it is. They had replied asking him about a number of points. His answer is the following book.

    1Co 1:1 This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from our brother Sosthenes.


    1Co 1:2 I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.

    Corinth was a major port city. Controlling the rout between Roman and Asia. This being what it was, they would also have had many temples to many gods. Pagan life would been the norm in this city. Yet some, (the % I have never found) were made holy, when they turned their lives over to HaShem. A not so small task, when one thinks of the danger that followed not after this letter was written. There was a teaching I once heard that said, (their lord and ours) was speaking to calling on Zuz or what ever god was close by. They used the passage, like 1Cor.9:21 to make their point. This however shows a misleading intent on the part of any that would teach this way. Paul was telling us, Yeshua was their Lord, just as much as He is ours.


    1Co 1:3 May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.


    1Co 1:4 I always thank my God for you and for the gracious gifts he has given you, now that you belong to Christ Jesus.


    1Co 1:5 Through him, God has enriched your church in every way—with all of your eloquent words and all of your knowledge.
    1Co 1:6 This confirms that what I told you about Christ is true.
    1Co 1:7 Now you have every spiritual gift you need as you eagerly wait for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1Co 1:8 He will keep you strong to the end so that you will be free from all blame on the day when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.
    1Co 1:9 God will do this, for he is faithful to do what he says, and he has invited you into partnership with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

    The opening of this letter gives us a look at just well the church in Corinth was doing, at lest in some ways. The idea of eloquent words and knowledge, shows a great blessing, as most follows of that time were poor, and may not have had an education. Today, as we know the higher an education one gets, the better they can articulate their thoughts. Some wish to use this, as a way to belittle others, in hopes of showing how great they think they are.
    Paul on the other hand used this blessing to show that what He had told them before hand was true, and also to show reason for them to trust him. In this manner, they would be antagonized, and rebel.
    1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose.












    1Co 1:11 For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters.
    1Co 1:12 Some of you are saying, “I am a follower of Paul.” Others are saying, “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Peter,” or “I follow only Christ.”

    The leaders of the church should have been the ones to bring this to Paul's attention. In hopes of finding a way to stop the infighting. If we were to replace the names of the men with the denomination one follows, we would be facing the same thing today. As one commentator puts it, "When we answer with a denomination to the question, 'what do you follow' we show 2 things. A lack of understanding of Yeshua, and an alliance to man rather than Yeshua." When asked his answer to this question, he replied, "I am a born again believer, walking in the word as best I can. Following all that we are told, though at times I do come up short in this."
    In rely to this, another commentator said, "It is much the same as placing them self above others, and wishing to invoke the name of Yeshua to do so. Showing that they will hear the words of others, even when the words are wise, and meant to help."
    1Co 1:13 Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!

    Although some may have taken offense by this, Paul's point would seem to be that they were not baptized in the name of any man, or then name of a church. Though some wish to teach they have an advantage over other church's, they fail to understand that we are in the same body, that body is the body of Yeshua.
    1Co 1:14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
    1Co 1:15 for now no one can say they were baptized in my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    Are you saying that Hebrew scholars who write commentaries have not got it correct and you have? Just interested to know.

    NOT AT ALL!!!!



    I have not seen a single commentary by anyone (and I have read many) who expound on the double takes in the Hebrew text.

    I have seen many scholars whose work I deeply respect, and whose scholarship far exceeds mine miss or fail to comment on how Hebrew idiom effects the meaning of certain verses in both the Hebrew and the Koine texts.

    Could you explain double takes in the Hebrews text and how not understanding how Hebrew idiom effects the meaning of certain verses in both the Hebrew and the Koine texts.

    Where would you find those prescriptions for rightly dividing the word.?

    I understand that parables where designed to hide spiritual truths but have not heard of that requirement.

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    Some see the book of Corinthians as a reply to the church. Paul had written to them before, as will be seen in 5:9 I think it is. They had replied asking him about a number of points. His answer is the following book.

    I would see it as God’s answer .When he speaks he speaks to the whole church. What can be applied to those in that sect can be applied to all. He does not speak privately to one group. Once a person start separating it ,dividing the word of God from the same word the sky is the limit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainrider View Post
    Some see the book of Corinthians as a reply to the church. Paul had written to them before, as will be seen in 5:9 I think it is. They had replied asking him about a number of points. His answer is the following book.

    1Co 1:1 This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from our brother Sosthenes.


    1Co 1:2 I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.

    Corinth was a major port city. Controlling the rout between Roman and Asia. This being what it was, they would also have had many temples to many gods. Pagan life would been the norm in this city. Yet some, (the % I have never found) were made holy, when they turned their lives over to HaShem. A not so small task, when one thinks of the danger that followed not after this letter was written. There was a teaching I once heard that said, (their lord and ours) was speaking to calling on Zuz or what ever god was close by. They used the passage, like 1Cor.9:21 to make their point. This however shows a misleading intent on the part of any that would teach this way. Paul was telling us, Yeshua was their Lord, just as much as He is ours.


    1Co 1:3 May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.


    1Co 1:4 I always thank my God for you and for the gracious gifts he has given you, now that you belong to Christ Jesus.


    1Co 1:5 Through him, God has enriched your church in every way—with all of your eloquent words and all of your knowledge.
    1Co 1:6 This confirms that what I told you about Christ is true.
    1Co 1:7 Now you have every spiritual gift you need as you eagerly wait for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1Co 1:8 He will keep you strong to the end so that you will be free from all blame on the day when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.
    1Co 1:9 God will do this, for he is faithful to do what he says, and he has invited you into partnership with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

    The opening of this letter gives us a look at just well the church in Corinth was doing, at lest in some ways. The idea of eloquent words and knowledge, shows a great blessing, as most follows of that time were poor, and may not have had an education. Today, as we know the higher an education one gets, the better they can articulate their thoughts. Some wish to use this, as a way to belittle others, in hopes of showing how great they think they are.
    Paul on the other hand used this blessing to show that what He had told them before hand was true, and also to show reason for them to trust him. In this manner, they would be antagonized, and rebel.
    1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose.












    1Co 1:11 For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters.
    1Co 1:12 Some of you are saying, “I am a follower of Paul.” Others are saying, “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Peter,” or “I follow only Christ.”

    The leaders of the church should have been the ones to bring this to Paul's attention. In hopes of finding a way to stop the infighting. If we were to replace the names of the men with the denomination one follows, we would be facing the same thing today. As one commentator puts it, "When we answer with a denomination to the question, 'what do you follow' we show 2 things. A lack of understanding of Yeshua, and an alliance to man rather than Yeshua." When asked his answer to this question, he replied, "I am a born again believer, walking in the word as best I can. Following all that we are told, though at times I do come up short in this."
    In rely to this, another commentator said, "It is much the same as placing them self above others, and wishing to invoke the name of Yeshua to do so. Showing that they will hear the words of others, even when the words are wise, and meant to help."
    1Co 1:13 Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!

    Although some may have taken offense by this, Paul's point would seem to be that they were not baptized in the name of any man, or then name of a church. Though some wish to teach they have an advantage over other church's, they fail to understand that we are in the same body, that body is the body of Yeshua.
    1Co 1:14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
    1Co 1:15 for now no one can say they were baptized in my name.
    Sorry not sure how that happened. Maybe it just took to long so it posted on it's own. I really have no clue.


    1Co 1:16 (Oh yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas, but I don’t remember baptizing anyone else.)
    1Co 1:17 For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News—and not with clever speech, for fear that the cross of Christ would lose its power.

    A dear friend of mine has this to say about the above. When anyone tells me something, and they speak for 30 minutes or so, using words that are not understood, I just go to sleep, then agree with them when my wife wakes me up. LOL It is this form of teaching that Paul may be speaking of.
    Then on the other hand, it has been said that the use of plain words, and not the use of legal jargon, is what wins hearts.
    1Co 1:18 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.
    1Co 1:19 As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”

    Although Paul only quotes a part of Isa. 29:14, he makes the case that mans wisdom will always come up short. No matter how intelligent one may be, no matter how well the words are picked, if one is headed for damnation, they will seem and sound like running water.
    1Co 1:20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish.

    I do so wish I could recall what it was called. No matter, I do remember the teaching of a wise old man, from Church history.
    At one time, philosophy was a religion of it's own. Built on the grounds of who had the best tail to tell, and could stand up in debate, to make their point. Mostly with the use of words to hard to understand for most, and put together in a way to cloud their unanswer. In other words, (at lest as he told us) An unanswer is what you we hear from most politicians, when they find they have backed into a corner, and to answer a question would only show they have no clue what they are talking of. I still think he made that word up.
    1Co 1:21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe.
    1Co 1:22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom.
    1Co 1:23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.

    I first wish to point out that what comes after this, isn't my thoughts or words.
    One teaching on this that I have heard in a church, follows that the Jewish people can only believe works, and if there is no sign, then there is no Messiah. In their wisdom, they spent no telling how much time looking for a way to back this misplaced idea. It was found in the words of a Rabbi that said, Until Yeshua does the works of Messiah, we can't call him Messiah.
    What follows are my own thoughts and words.
    As with many things in the hearts of man, if we look long enough and hard enough, we can find in the words of others what we wish to find. When we look at the words of another, with no understanding of the heart behind it, we can make them say what every we wish. It is in my mind the thoughts of this Rabbi, (being an orthodox I am sure) that Yeshua didn't bring the long awaited and prayed for peace.
    When it comes to the Greeks, as pointed out above, they loved their philosophy.
    1Co 1:24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.














    1Co 1:25 This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.


    1Co 1:26 Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you.
    1Co 1:27 Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful.

    Once more Paul makes note of the power of HaShem, by pointing out that before they turned to HaShem, through their faith in the works fo Yeshua, they were not see as much of anything by others. The Tanakh also makes this point. When we see that HaShem seemed to always pick the underdog to do his work. The weak to take a land that with out him, they would never have been able to. True wisdom, ( as was said by one teacher of mine) comes from ones own understanding, rather by wilingness to admit when you don't have all the answer's. Pride gets in the way of this, so give thanks to HaShem in your weakness, and let it be known it is only by His strength that you are able to do a thing.
    1Co 1:28 God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important.


    1Co 1:29 As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.


    1Co 1:30 God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin.


    1Co 1:31 Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the LORD.”

    There was a person in my life that once asked, "Why do you speak with so much pride about not being able to read?"
    Truth is I read at around a 9th grade leave when my mind doesn't play trikes with letters, and words. When it does, I read at around a 1 grade level. The kicker to that, a thing I am awed by, When I read the Word, my mind never plays tricks, and the words are clear in my mind. It is the only book I can do this with. HaShem I think uses this disability to guide me away from things I may read that can be harmful to my walk with him. You see, when I read things about His word, like say The Miracle of the Scarlet Thread, it remained clear for the most part. Yet when I tried to read a book, that was meant to show me the truth faith, ( at lest by one church's standard) not one letter ever reviled it's self as what it should be. So yes I may boast, yet not of my own greatness, I boast of the Power fo HaShem, to work in us His will, if we simply let Him lead the way.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garee View Post
    I would see it as God’s answer .When he speaks he speaks to the whole church. What can be applied to those in that sect can be applied to all. He does not speak privately to one group. Once a person start separating it ,dividing the word of God from the same word the sky is the limit...
    You do make a valid point. Thank you for correcting my miss use of words.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    1Co 2:1 When I first came to you, dear brothers and sisters,[fn] I didn’t use lofty words and impressive wisdom to tell you God’s secret plan.


    1Co 2:2 For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.
    1Co 2:3 I came to you in weakness—timid and trembling.
    1Co 2:4 And my message and my preaching were very plain. Rather than using clever and persuasive speeches, I relied only on the power of the Holy Spirit.
    1Co 2:5 I did this so you would trust not in human wisdom but in the power of God.

    Paul, unlike many teachers of his day, and today for that matter, didn't wish to try and show how smart he was, or how big of words he could use. One commentator went as fair as to say that Paul mostly said more in 10 minutes than most today would say in an hour.
    As for my own thoughts on this passage, Paul understood that some may hear him that didn't not have his education, and may not understand clever wording.
    As Paul made clear, he relied on, or allowed the Spirit to speak through him. Rather than turn to his own thinking, and wisdom. Paul said he came in weakness, timid and trembling. This may well have been his way say that in our weakness, HaShem is able to show us His strength. Real power doesn't come from refined preaching, or logical persuasiveness. Rather from the message it's self. Using ones own understanding, often leads to misunderstanding, and misuse of scripture. More by the listener than the teacher.
    1Co 2:6 Yet when I am among mature believers, I do speak with words of wisdom, but not the kind of wisdom that belongs to this world or to the rulers of this world, who are soon forgotten.
    1Co 2:7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the mystery of God—his plan that was previously hidden, even though he made it for our ultimate glory before the world began.
    1Co 2:8 But the rulers of this world have not understood it; if they had, they would not have crucified our glorious Lord.
    1Co 2:9 That is what the Scriptures mean when they say, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him.”

    The rulers Paul is talking of here are most likely, political leaders. As their words are often forgot almost as soon they have spoken them. spiritual leaders on the other hand, must always pick their words with care, and understanding. Knowing both the level of understanding, and the ability of their flocks. keeping their teachings with in the truth of the Word at all times. As their words may be passed on, or tested for truth, by the Word they teach of.
    1Co 2:10 But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets.
    1Co 2:11 No one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit.
    1Co 2:12 And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us.

    I find it said that at lest one commemoration said, "It was to us, Paul is letting us know that only them that walked with Yeshua, and got the word from him were giving the truth. For us today, we may think we understand, only the Spirit no longer teaches us."
    For a person to think, or teach this, shows a lack of even trying to understand. As I do hope we all know, the word (we) points to any and all that follow Yeshua, being filled with the Spirit, and led in truth by the Spirit. To think that one can understand the Word by their own wisdom, or by secular means, is folly.
    1Co 2:13 When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths.
    1Co 2:14 But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.
    1Co 2:15 Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others.
    1Co 2:16 For, “Who can know the LORD’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?” But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.







    Many times man learns things from a human prospective. Things learned in this manner, can not placed into a Spiritual Word. Just as the things the Spirit places on ones heart, can't be converted into human words or understanding. The one event in my life that has shown this to me in a way no words could ever hope, was my trip to Israel. That for me was never meant for anything other than to see the land, in hopes of finding a better understand of what Yeshua faced in His walk on this earth. I steeped into that trip, with a secular mind set.
    To explain the parts I know I can.
    I get off the plan, and for the first time in my life, I felt truly at peace, and at home. As we walked the land, heard the teachings of what went on in every place we stopped, something slowly changed in my. As my mind went from, "I already know that story", to "Hay I understand that story now." As the trip went on, it became,"So that's what HaShem has been trying to show me!" BY the time I was due to leave, I know that one day I had to return, only next time, I would not go with a group that didn't rush through everything. The Spiritual change that took place in my heart, is the part I can't place into words. My insight of the Word is a bit more clear, as well as my Spiritual understanding of it. Yet, I do find that the things I now see, that once was hidden from my heart, seem to be the things are so readily dismissed in today's teachings. As for my reason for using them in a forum like this, their are many that are anti-Septicemic, and don't know it. This leads to argument, and discord, that should be left for a more privet venue.
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    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    1Co 3:1 Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life.
    1Co 3:2 I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready,
    1Co 3:3 for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn’t that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren’t you living like people of the world?
    1Co 3:4 When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world?

    This can leave on to think that the Corinthians had been studying the Word for some time. Some say Paul had spent 1 1/2 years with them before this letter was written. With in that time, they learned little about the Spiritual life, and how to walk in the Spirit. Another teaching is that they had been doing fine, as long as Paul was with them. When he left, others came in and disrupted their lives, leading them back into the ways of the world.
    He repeats his warning about claiming to follow a man, and not Yeshua. Today this would equate to the claim of denominations. No matter what the name on the door, it can do nothing for us. HaShem has done the work, and is still working for us, so by all rights, we should profess to following Him, and Him a lone.
    1Co 3:5 After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us.










    1Co 3:6 I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow.


    1Co 3:7 It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow.
    1Co 3:8 The one who plants and the one who waters work together with the same purpose. And both will be rewarded for their own hard work.




    1Co 3:9 For we are both God’s workers. And you are God’s field. You are God’s building.

    Many times when one hears a broadcast from a pastor on tv, we hear I did this, I can do that, and other I's. As Paul makes clear it is not the person doing anything. HaShem is the one that has done everything they lay claim to. Some never slow down to give thanks for others that may ave a hand in helping others find salvation, or that may have helped to lay a foundation of trusting faithfulness.
    1Co 3:10 Because of God’s grace to me, I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.




    1Co 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.
    1Co 3:12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw.




    1Co 3:13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value.

    Everyone will face the fire of judgment. The things we do today, will be purified by that fire. Much the way many things in Torah are, the fire will always remove unclean, or unholy things that may find there way into ones life. All of the wrong understanding, pride of being a member of this or that denomination, and so on. Those who teachings are true, and faithful will receive their reword, others may still be given salvation, only they may not receive any rewords at all.
    1Co 3:14 If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward.
    1Co 3:15 But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.
    1Co 3:16 Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
    1Co 3:17 God will destroy anyone who destroys this temple. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

    HaShem once lived in the Temple, the Arc of he covenant was his seat. Today we are the Temple, and our hearts should be His throne. If one desecrates the Temple, HaShem will destroy them. This can be done in many ways, from over eating, to neglecting ones own life, and body in any way that brings harm to it.
    1Co 3:18 Stop deceiving yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world’s standards, you need to become a fool to be truly wise.












    1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.”
    1Co 3:20
    And again, “The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise; he knows they are worthless.”


    1Co 3:21 So don’t boast about following a particular human leader. For everything belongs to you—


    1Co 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Peter, or the world, or life and death, or the present and the future. Everything belongs to you,


    1Co 3:23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

    Paul is not telling us to act a fool, rather that we should give up what we have as for wisdom of this world. Salomon, once called the wisest King of the world, didn't become that by following in the ways of the world. He turned to HaShem, and allowed HaShem to work His will through him. We can be sure that Solomon prayed over every thing that came before him for judgment. Opening his heart and mind to will of HaShem, so that HaShem was the real King of Israel, and Solomon was nothing more than a way for HaShem to speak to His people. Let us always pray that our teachers, do the same, leaving a side their own thoughts, and understanding, that HaShem can use them, and us, to do His will, and not our own.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    1Co 4:1
    So look at Apollos and me as mere servants of Christ who have been put in charge of explaining God’s mysteries.
    1Co 4:2
    Now, a person who is put in charge as a manager must be faithful.
    1Co 4:3
    As for me, it matters very little how I might be evaluated by you or by any human authority. I don’t even trust my own judgment on this point.
    1Co 4:4
    My conscience is clear, but that doesn’t prove I’m right. It is the Lord himself who will examine me and decide.

    All to often in life, we stand so strongly on what we think, never thinking that we as humans can be wrong no mater what we may think. Paul seems to telling us that even though he thinks he is doing the right thing, doesn't mean that he is. Paul even makes it clear that he doesn't trust his own judgment when come to this. Yet many in the world seem to trust their own thinking to the point of rejecting anyone that does not agree with them.

    1Co 4:5
    So don’t make judgments about anyone ahead of time—before the Lord returns. For he will bring our darkest secrets to light and will reveal our private motives. Then God will give to each one whatever praise is due.
    1Co 4:6
    Dear brothers and sisters, I have used Apollos and myself to illustrate what I’ve been saying. If you pay attention to what I have quoted from the Scriptures,you won’t be proud of one of your leaders at the expense of another.

    Paul notes his use of scripture, and not the use of self, when speaking to them. When one moves past what the Word tells u, do we not place our self, and our thoughts above the Word? When one names a teacher, putting their teachings out as better than another, we run the risk of discrediting the others. Even if both teach the word of Truth. One may well have a higher understanding, yet they both teach Truth.

    1Co 4:7

    For what gives you the right to make such a judgment? What do you have that God hasn’t given you? And if everything you have is from God, why boast as though it were not a gift?
    1Co 4:8

    You think you already have everything you need. You think you are already rich. You have begun to reign in God’s kingdom without us! I wish you really were reigning already, for then we would be reigning with you.
    1Co 4:9
    Instead, I sometimes think God has put us apostles on display, like prisoners of war at the end of a victor’s parade, condemned to die. We have become a spectacle to the entire world—to people and angels alike.

    Some teach that Paul is speaking of the "games" that were held in Rome. When followers were placed in combat with lions, and other deadly beast. Paul seen how this was being used to bring blessings to others, and would gladly have accepted this on himself.
    Yet another teaching on this is as follows. Paul seeing how some would pit one teacher against another, seen this as placing them on stage. Hoping for a good fight over what a passage means. This is done many times today, even in this forum. When one will not enter into argument they are seen as weak, even when they have seen that many of the "debates" turn to name calling, or belittling phrases, that are meant to be hidden.

    1Co 4:10
    Our dedication to Christ makes us look like fools, but you claim to be so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are so powerful! You are honored, but we are ridiculed.
    1Co 4:11

    Even now we go hungry and thirsty, and we don’t have enough clothes to keep warm. We are often beaten and have no home.
    1Co 4:12

    We work wearily with our own hands to earn our living. We bless those who curse us. We are patient with those who abuse us.
    1Co 4:13

    We appeal gently when evil things are said about us. Yet we are treated like the world’s garbage, like everybody’s trash—right up to the present moment.

    Paul like most that went out to teach the Word, never had a home. Hunger may well have been a big part of their lives. Yet they were to happy to move past this, and go on teaching. Paul and many that knew him, worked to earn what they had. Mostly it was for the food they had. When one moved around as much as Paul, the odds were they had little need for material things.

    1Co 4:14

    I am not writing these things to shame you, but to warn you as my beloved children.
    1Co 4:15

    For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you.
    1Co 4:16

    So I urge you to imitate me.
    1Co 4:17
    That’s why I have sent Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord. He will remind you of how I follow Christ Jesus, just as I teach in all the churches wherever I go.

    I have heard one teaching that made the claim Paul was full of himself. So much so that he seen himself as perfect in every way. So that we should walk as he walked. This teaching however is wrong in many ways. Paul didn't teach this at all. Paul was not speaking of his personal life in this passage. He was pointing to the way he used scripture to interpret scripture. As well how he did his best to walk in what the Word tells us. Timothy as we all know was a close associate of Paul, he had learned how to use the Word, without removing any part of it, to make clear it's intent. So yes Paul did have faith that Timothy would teach in the same way, and not lead them down the wrong road.

    1Co 4:18

    Some of you have become arrogant, thinking I will not visit you again.
    1Co 4:19

    But I will come—and soon—if the Lord lets me, and then I’ll find out whether these arrogant people just give pretentious speeches or whether they really have God’s power.
    1Co 4:20

    For the Kingdom of God is not just a lot of talk; it is living by God’s power.
    1Co 4:21

    Which do you choose? Should I come with a rod to punish you, or should I come with love and a gentle spirit?

    Giving them the chose, may have been to show that Paul was unafraid to do ether. As we can find in Acts Paul did visit them, and he confronted them that opposed him. Showing that they were nothing more than big talkers. Pauls life and words should always be seen not Paul being smarter than the rest of the world, rather as HaShems, power at work.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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