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    2 Cor 1

    This letter opens with an introduction, as all of Paul's letter do. In it we find a custom followed by many Jewish people today. In that Paul gives praise to HaShem. Many Jewish people don't use HaShem, and Yeshua are not seen as interchangeable. Not many people do really. Also there are not many that give praise to Yeshua, though we may bless Him at times.
    As we read on, 8-11, we are told about the effectiveness of prayer. Paul in a way gives thanks for the prayer others lifted him up in. Telling how he feels it may have saved his life.
    15-19 reads as though some may have charged that Paul was insincere, and doesn't keep his word. To defend himself, Paul points out that HaShem has always done what He side He would. Never giving a yes for a no. Though at times some may think HaShem has not fulfilled His word, it may just be that when they ask for something, the answer was a no, or not right now.
    20 This passage has fueled replacment theology for many year. In that they see this as Paul teaching that they teach it to say, "All OT promises have been fulfilled, leaving nothing for the Jewish people. This shows that HaShem has rejected Israel, and replaced it with the church, this is seen in the NT promises that were given only to the church."
    A sad misuse of the passage to say the lest. This passage comes about as close to saying that, as it does that Satan will leave us a lone. Also when asked about the State of Israel today, many pass that off as the hand of man. Others have also said it was the work of Satan, so that he could lead some to worship him with out them knowing it.
    We should add them to our prayer, and resist the urge belittle them. After all, they doing what so many today are doing, simply taking the word of their teachers, with out testing it against all scripture. If they did, they would be sure to find, (if they seek the truth with an open heart and mind) the return of the people to Israel, is also in fulfillment of scripture. As Yeshua is our yes, and all promises are fulfilled in Him, it then becomes hard to say that Israel has been given everything they are going to get.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    2 Cor 2
    1-4 Their are many that see this as hinting at a 3rd letter, that has never cannoned. Some say it was lost, others say it was simply left out. No matter how one looks at that, the fact still remains the letter we don't have seems to have done it's intended work. In that it brought about the change Paul had hoped for.
    5-8 I am not sure why Paul felt the need to ask that they comfort the one that was making trouble, as it would seem that if they heard the good news, they would know to forgive. One contaminator however, tells us that the man had been disciplined by the church, and repented. So Paul was simply asking that they do as he had, and forgive. After all it is much easier to forgive than to harbor ill feelings. To expand on that teaching just a bit. If we as humans were to place a brick in a good strong bag every time we held on to bad thoughts, or feelings toward someone. That bag would become way to heavy to carry. Now if we turn around and remove one, for every person we truly forgive, making sure not to leave anyone out, before long we only have a bag, that we had no use for.
    9-11 By the act of forgiving, we remove a tool Satan uses against us. As Yeshua told us, Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
    To some the above means that if we are unwilling to forgive others, HaShem will not forgive us.
    12-17 This chapter closes with Paul giving praise to HaShem for the work He has done through Paul. The idea of him being watched in our every action, may well be seen as literal. Yet there are some that see this as being a reminder, that the word we teach should always be truth. Even if others around us hate what we teach.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    How is the talk about Paul going Mr Rainrider?

    I guess we all have Have our road to Damascus in a sense.. not all called to Apostleship or literally blinded.. but we all have our story to Praise and Glorify the Lord for conversion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    How is the talk about Paul going Mr Rainrider?

    I guess we all have Have our road to Damascus in a sense.. not all called to Apostleship or literally blinded.. but we all have our story to Praise and Glorify the Lord for conversion..
    It is going well thank you for asking.
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    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    2Cor 3

    1-3 Here we find the point many try to make all the time. When we speak of of our testimony, All the words in the world can only serve to help others understand what we went through. It is only in our actions that people can see the true light, love, and compassion that is the spirit working the true will of HaShem in us. The Laws written our hearts, and in our minds are how we are guided in our walk.

    4-6 Never has a man ever told me they are qualified to teach the word due to their time spent in some school, and had me convinced that we must go to class. I read a commentary on this once, that made the same claim many in the world do today. In it we find a sad misconception. It said something like this, (not an exact quote) "The old covenant was a religion of laws, followed by the interpretation of the Rabbi's. It leads to transgression and pride, both sin, and both bring death." The reason I a sad misconception, as it fail's to make clear that even in the Torah, (the so called religion it speaks to) Salvation was obtained by the following of laws, or the costumes of man. Even then it was a gift of HaShem, that was given only through faith, followed by obedience. Obedience alone with out faith , or faith without obedience just as today leads to death.

    7-11 To barrow the words of a man I am now studding under. "This passage gives us a clear pitcher of both the old and new covenant. Both started with such glory that it was seen in the face of man. The light we seek was so bright, that others know you were a true follower, simply by looking at you. As with most things however, that light faded. Not from Moses' face, it has also faded from the body of the church." His one question goes as follows, "What lead to this diminished glory?" Keep in mind no answer is wrong, or right. Their is however one that is a little more right then the rest. Satan has found his way into maost church's and has robed us of many truths.

    12-15 One commentator had this to say, "The old covenant led to fear and didn't remove spiritual blindness." This however can be shown wrong if one takes the time to read the Tanakh. Were we find many that were not blind. The prophets were filled with the Spirit, and even some of the leaders of Israel. One other commentator writes, "The old covenant has not been changed as much as some wish to think. It was however made corrupt by the religious leaders of that time. Just as the New covenant has not changed much from the old, it has been made corrupt by the many leaders in it, that are in it only for money. True faith, and salvation has been found in both, yet it does at times become necessary to reject the teachings of ones leader to obtain it."

    16-18 There is one commentator that makes a mistake one should do their best to stay clear of. That is to claim that we have something Moses never knew. In that we now have true salvation, and we know the Spirit of HaShem. I find it sad that anyone would think this way, Moses, a man that spoke face to face with HaShem, didn't know the Spirit? Really?
    In closing, I am going to sum this up as best I can with my own words. Not something I like doing, however, at this time, there is something on my heart that needs to be said.
    The world has became so convinced that HaShem has somehow changed, that He would now offer us salvation that He with held from Israel for some 4000 years. It is passed off as truth, and take in the minds of so many, as fact. Yet with a simple reading of the Tanakh, this teaching loses it's luster. Or it should. We know that HaShem doesn't change, Mal. 3:6, Heb13:8 bare witness to this. SO try and change Him now, so that He better fits our needs, is a sin of it's own. Paul made it clear that we are changed to become more like Him, never doe Paul say HaShem will change to more like what we want.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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    2 Cor 4

    1-2 One writer, has a lot to say about this passage. To cut it short I am going to say it in my own words. As it is something that I have not only seen, have also fought to stop. First let me be clear on something. I do follow Torah as best as I can, yet I don't push that on others. If I am asked, I am willing to give my reasons why I do what I do. It should stop there, and not have anyone try to make me see things their way. The other, the way I see scripture is how I tell it. If others simply don't see that way, it is not an open door to beat a dead horse. After all, I have been down that road many times, and it has never changed how I understand one word of scripture.
    That said, the writer I speak of has this to say. ( in my words not his). Paul had been accused of twisting the Tanakh to sut his own needs, and of using underhanded meatheads to reach others. Just as some Messianic Jewish congregations, and "Christians" have. BY misusing and distort Jewish sancta. Things like using a Kippah, tafillin, tallit, Shabbat candles, Torah scrolls, and the feast. This is many times done to creat a false impression that these groups are Jewish and not "Christian". Many times this is done to draw in Jewish people, leading them to think they are not trying to convert them. Just as their are some that wish to get others to follow Torah, explaining how it is only to better help one walk as Yeshua walked. Then slowly, they try to get others to convert to Judaism. Nether way is expendable in my book. Both have their foundation in lies, and is the work of Satan.
    Before anyone jumps to any conclusion, I have sat with Orthodox Jewish family's for Passover. It was made clear from the onset, that I was only there to learn what I could, I was not Jewish, and would never try to change anything bout their faith. Nether them or I brought up anything that didn't have to do with Passover, as they seen it. After however, when I was asked what was different from how I see it, the door was open, and we talked for some time. We parted ways, and to this day we email, and have a friendship that has grown out of honesty, and respect.
    So when someone tells me I am Judaizer, in my mind it only shows a lack of, or unwillingness to excetp that my walk is mine, and is done in the way that it is to be more like Yeshua. Besides, is it wrong to give my life over to Yeshua, in every way I see fit? After all, He gave His life for me.
    3-6 There are some in the world that simply haven't hear the "GOOD NEWS" in a way they understand. Still others simply will not hear it. To them it is hidden. Satan fights to keep it that way, by any means he can. There are some people that find it much easier to talk about their day at work and so on. The Word is something that is not a part of their daily topic. Others find that even talking about a movie they seen, somehow turns to the Word. Why not, after all HaShem, who said Let there by light, placed a part of that light in us. It is there to be seen, so why let it shine on others around you? Ever had someone you didn't know walk up and ask, "Are you a believer?" If not, your light may well be hidden.
    8-10 In today's world, we who do believe, are being persecuted, killed, and face the idea that one day soon we will hunted down like rabid dogs. Yet I will bet that their isn't any true believer ready to give up the fight, and play dead. Even as we look what is going on the world, and find much of it hard to understand, or even believe, we hold on to the faith that we will in the end be granted a life in Heaven.
    13-15 As I have said many times in my life. Yes it has cost me a job or 2 in the past. Still, I walk by faith, and that faith moves me to speak, ever when I am told not to. You see Just like Paul tries to explain, If we walk in trusting faithfulness, nothing on this earth holds much glamor for us. Jobs come and go, hunger, illness, friends, and family are lost at some point. Yet in it all, we should find joy. If we set our eyes on what is to come, no mater what we face on this earth, can do nothing to change the gift we will find in the end.

    In closing, I simply wish to add one thing. Call it what you will, think of it how you will. In our lives, we all find others that walk the same walk we do. So to use an odd analogy. I will ask one thing, then explain what I am asking.
    Are you the dry wall, or the stud behind it? Both need to be in place to say the house is finished. The dry wall is there for all to see, We pain it, hang things on it, and still their it is. Little thought is given to the stud, until you want to hang something heavy. Yet it is what holds your roof up, it hides behind the nicely painted dry wall, gets no attention at all really.
    The reason I asked. That stud is in a way the world. Without it, you don't have a place to live. If you see your self as the stud, you may need wish to rethink that.
    The dry wall, the world can do with out. It has it's place, and to some it finishes the work of the house. Yes it is nice, and just what kind of house would be without it? Still for the purpose of this analogy, lets just say the dry wall is the people that are nice, and help the world look good. They are not really a part of the world however. They can be removed, and the world will go on without a hitch.
    Still think of your self as the stud? Many people do, until they find out that the dry wall is in fact the true believer. The stud on the other hand is the one that says, "I believe" yet are not. They hid themselves, in a place that makes them hard to distinguish and find. The dry wall on the other hand, wants everyone to know. It stands out, and tells a story. It is unashamed, and bold in it's telling. So once more, are you the dry wall or stud? I am sure that many have changed their mind.
    we were asked to pray for 2 thing in the Word, do we pray them?
    Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
    Mat.9:38
    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

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