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    Genesis 4:3-5a

    Gen 4:3-4a . . In the course of time, Cain brought an offering to
    The Lord from the fruit of the soil; and Abel, for his part, brought the
    choicest of the firstlings of his flock.

    There's no indication in this scene suggesting their oblations were sacrifices
    for sin. The Hebrew word for their offerings is from minchah (min-khaw')
    and means: to apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute;
    specifically a sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary).

    Since the offerings were minchah type offerings-- which are essentially gifts
    rather than atonements --it would be wrong to insist Abel slew his firstling
    and/or burned it to ashes. In point of fact, holocaust offerings go by the
    name of 'olah (o-law') instead of minchah; for example Gen 22:2.

    Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of

    T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
    brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
    of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
    flock. (Targum Jonathan)

    Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
    was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
    animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was the appropriate
    first fruits offering.

    I think it's safe to assume the brothers were no longer boys, but rather,
    responsible men in this particular scene because God is going to treat them
    that way.

    This incident is not said to be the very first time they brought gifts to God.
    The brothers (and very likely their parents too), probably had been bringing
    gifts for many years; ever since they were kids. And up to this point,
    apparently both men were doing everything right and God was just as much
    pleased with Cain and his gifts as He was with Abel and his gifts.

    But where did they get this religion of theirs? Well; wasn't Abel a prophet?

    "Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the
    prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the
    blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar
    and the sanctuary." (Luke 11:50-51a)

    It's evident then that the offerings were a legitimate part of a God-given
    religion. (cf. Heb 11:4)

    Gen 4:4b-5a . .The Lord paid heed to Abel and his offering, but to
    Cain and his offering He paid no heed.

    Cain was of a good family. He wasn't the product of poverty or an inner city
    barrio or dilapidated public housing. His mother wasn't cruel and/or
    thoughtless, nor did she neglect him or abandon him. He wasn't in a gang,
    didn't carry a church key, a shank, an ice pick, or a gun; didn't smoke weed,
    drink, snort coke, take meth, gamble or chase women. He was very religious
    and worshipped the exact same God that his brother worshipped, and the
    rituals he practiced were correct and timely.

    Cain worked for a living in an honest profession. He wasn't a thief, wasn't a
    predatory lender, wasn't racist, wasn't a Wall Street barracuda, a dishonest
    investment banker, or an unscrupulous social network mogul. He wasn't a
    cheap politician, wasn't a terrorist, wasn't on the take, wasn't lazy, nor did
    he associate with the wrong crowd. The man did everything a model citizen
    is supposed to do; yet he, and subsequently his gift, were soundly rejected.

    It's common for poorly-trained Bible students to trip up on the nature of the
    men's offerings and totally miss the role that the nature of the men
    themselves played in their worship; in other words: they assume Cain was
    rejected because his offering was bloodless and they attempt to justify their
    theory by citing the below:

    "It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering to God than
    Cain did. God accepted Abel's offering to show that he was a righteous
    man." (Heb 11:4)

    The focus in both Genesis and Hebrews is not really upon the offerings
    because it's okay for a minchah to be bloodless. The focus is actually upon
    faith and righteousness; viz: Abel was a man of both faith and righteousness
    whereas his brother wasn't. In a nutshell: Cain's association with God was
    strictly via ritual.

    It's not uncommon for John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer to associate with
    God like that. On Sunday they go through all the proper motions; while the
    rest of the week they think, feel, speak, and act like secular humanists with
    little concern as to how God might feel about their conduct.


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    Genesis 4:5b-7a

    Gen 4:5b . . Cain was much distressed and his face fell.

    Cain was a whole lot worse than distressed. He was blazing mad. The word
    for "distressed" is from charah (khaw-raw') and means: to glow or grow
    warm; figuratively (usually) to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy. Cain is
    actually in a passionate rage over this and certainly in no mood for a lecture.

    Gen 4:6 . . And The Lord said to Cain: Why are you distressed, and
    why is your face fallen?

    God made an honest effort to talk things over with Cain and resolve their
    differences; but Cain didn't respond; he was too busy sulking in a black

    Gen 4:7a . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

    That is an irrevocable principle, and comes out very early in the Bible
    because it is so foundational to humanity's association with its creator. Well;
    Abel did do right and that's why his gift is said to be offered in faith.

    Cain's lack of faith is well illustrated at Isa 1:11-20. Yhvh's people were
    offering all the covenanted sacrifices, they were praying up a storm, and
    observing all the God-given feasts and holy days. He rejected all of it, even
    though He himself required it, because the people's conduct was

    "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to Yhvh." (Prv 15:8)

    Perhaps the classic example is the one below.

    "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure
    in burnt offerings." (Ps 51:16)

    When David wrote that; he had only just committed the capital crimes of
    adultery and premeditated murder. There was just no way that God was
    going to accept his sacrifices and offerings on top of that; and David knew it

    The principle didn't go away. It's still the Lord's way of doing business with
    people; even with Christians.

    "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have
    fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but
    if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with
    another." (1John 1:5-7)


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    Genesis 4:7b-8

    Gen 4:7b . . But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at
    your door;

    This is the very first instance in the Bible of the word "sin". The Hebrew word
    is chatta'ah (khat-taw-aw') and/or chatta'th (khat-tawth') which are
    ambiguous words that technically mean an offense; as in repeat offender. In
    other words; not just an occasional slip-up, but a life style; viz: a habit.

    Whatever it was that God found displeasing in Cain's life at the time of the
    minchah disaster was moved to the back burner at this point because
    something far worse is looming on Cain's horizon; and it wasn't his kid
    brother's murder; no, it's something far more fatal to one's spiritual welfare.

    It's a perpetual unwillingness to talk things over with God and get some
    things straightened out between the two of you. This is not just serious-- it's
    extremely serious and apparently quite common among people with Cain-ish

    "But they refused to pay attention, and turned a stubborn shoulder and
    stopped their ears from hearing. And they made their hearts like flint so that
    they could not hear the law and the words which the Lord of legions had
    sent by His spirit through the former prophets" (Zech 7:11-12)

    That attitude is one of the very reasons why some people are sent to hell.

    "This is the condemnation: that the light has come into the world, and men
    loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For
    everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest
    his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light,
    that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." (John

    Gen 4:7c . . it desires to have you, but you must master it.

    This is the first mention of self control in the bible. In other words; yes, God
    created humanity with the capability to choose the wrong paths for itself,
    and the capability to choose the wrong behavior too; but that's only half the
    story. God also created humanity with the capability to choose the right
    paths for itself, and the capability to choose the right behavior.

    Gen 4:8a . . Now Cain talked with Abel his brother;

    Cain probably complained to his brother that Yhvh was unfair. But the poor
    man couldn't have picked a worse sounding board because Abel was a
    prophet (Luke 11:50-51). In Cain's dispute with the Lord, Abel no doubt
    took Yhvh's side in it. That was too much. There's no way a man like Cain
    was going to take a lecture from his own kid brother. Abel's popularity with
    God was bad enough, but preaching only made it worse and added insult to

    No doubt Cain was very jealous of his kid brother's on-going popularity with
    God. Poor Abel lost his life just because he was a pious man.

    "Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother.
    And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his
    brother's were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world
    hates you." (1John 3:12-13)

    One of the boys involved in the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School
    shooting incident shot and killed a girl in the cafeteria just because she
    believed in God. Isn't that amazing? That boy was nothing in the world but a
    twentieth century Cain with a gun.

    Gen 4:8b . . and when they were in the field, Cain set upon his
    brother Abel and killed him.

    Whether or not Cain premeditated his brother's death that day is difficult to
    tell. The word for "killed" is from harag (haw-rag') and means: to smite with
    deadly intent. So the attack on his kid brother, whether premeditated or not,
    was definitely meant to end Abel's life rather than to just rough him up and
    teach him a lesson.

    How Cain planned to explain Abel's death to his parents isn't stated. He
    couldn't very well blame it on a carnivorous predator since man and beast
    were on friendly terms prior to the Flood. It's my guess he set up the crime
    scene to make it look like an accident.


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    Genesis 4:9-12

    Gen 4:9 . . Yhvh said to Cain: Where is your brother Abel? And he
    said: I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?

    The Hebrew word for "keeper" indicates, in this case, a guardian; viz:
    responsibility for someone or something put in one's care; for example: Abel
    was a keeper of the sheep: a shepherd. (Gen 4:2)

    Cain worshipped the True God, same as his brother, and he practiced the
    very same rituals; yet responded to his maker's simple question with a lie
    and a sarcastic rejoinder. Those who are the Serpent's progeny often act like
    that because the Serpent's progeny have a Serpent's tongue.

    "You are of your father the Devil, and the desires of your father you want to
    do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth,
    because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his
    own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." (John 8:44-45)

    Gen 4:10 . .Then He said: What have you done? Hark, your
    brother's blood cries out to me from the ground!

    The Hebrew word for "cries out" is from tsa'aq (tsaw-ak') and means: to
    shriek; which can be defined as a wild, involuntary scream.

    Whether or not human blood actually has an audible voice isn't nearly
    important as to what it might be saying. And in this case, it certainly
    couldn't be good.

    In civil law, it's handy to produce the corpus delicti in a homicide case
    because it's very useful for proving the reality of a death, and for
    establishing the cause, and the time, of its occurrence. It's interesting that
    God didn't produce Abel's body for evidence. He could have, but instead
    relied upon the voice of his body's blood. So a murder victim's blood can be
    introduced as a witness in the courts of Heaven. That is very interesting.

    Abel's blood accuses. In contrast, Christ's blood defends (e.g. Rom 5:6-11,
    Heb 12:24, and 1Pet 1:18-19). That's a whole lot more to people's

    Gen 4:11 . .Therefore, you shall be more cursed than the ground
    which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your

    The original curse upon the soil reduced its agrarian productivity. But the
    curse upon Cain brought his agrarian productivity to a complete and
    irrevocable end.

    Gen 4:12 . . If you till the soil, it shall no longer yield its strength to
    you. You shall become a ceaseless wanderer on earth.

    Ceaseless wandering was an inevitable consequence of the inability to raise
    an adequate amount of your own food in that day and age. Nobody was
    eating meat yet, so the soil was pretty much it as far as nourishment went.

    Cain went on to become a very hungry, very overworked man. Wherever he
    tried to farm, the ground would respond in such a way as to act infertile. The
    curse was leveled right at his diet and the source of his food. Up till now,
    Cain had been a successful, independent farmer. But no amount of
    agricultural wisdom would ever restore his independence, nor his once green
    thumb no matter how hard he tried to overcome it. Cain had crossed over a
    line and there was no going back.

    Since Cain could no longer sustain himself by farming, it would be difficult to
    settle down and build himself a home; so he was forced to become
    migratory and forage for seasonal foods like the uncivilized beast that he
    was. It was poetic justice. The punishment sure fit his personality. If he was
    going to act like a brute, then he deserved to live like one.

    Though the Bible doesn't say; it would seem to me a reasonable assumption
    that the curse upon Cain extended to his posterity (cf. Num 14:18). Up
    ahead we'll see that they became renowned as a commercial/industrial
    society rather than agrarian. As time went by, and the Adams family
    multiplied and spread out; Cain's community no doubt traded with them
    using income from the sale of manufactured goods to barter for the foods
    that they themselves were unable to grow. Dependence upon imported food
    may not be ideal; but it's certainly better than going hungry.


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    Genesis 4:13-16

    Gen 4:13 . . Cain said to the Lord: My punishment is too great to

    His punishment was actually very lenient. In point of fact, it wasn't
    punishment at all, it was discipline. It's true that Cain would struggle to
    survive; but at least he was allowed to live. His kid brother was dead. How is
    that fair?

    Q: How did Cain get off with only a slap on the wrist? Why wasn't he
    executed for murder since God himself mandates capital punishment for
    murderers as per Gen 9:5-6, Ex 21:12-14, Lev 24:17, Lev 24:21, and Num
    35:31-34? Does God practice a double standard?

    A: Murder is intrinsically evil, yes; however; according to Deut 5:2-4, Rom
    4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, law enacted ex post facto is too late; viz: law
    can't be enforced until after it's enacted, not even divine law; which is
    precisely why God didn't, and couldn't, prosecute Cain for murder.

    Gen 4:14a . . Since You have banished me this day from the soil,
    and I must avoid Your presence and become a restless wanderer on

    Who said he must avoid God's presence? Somebody can be a ceaseless
    wanderer without losing touch with God; I mean, after all: He's everywhere
    at once. (Ps 139:7-12)

    Estrangement was Cain's decision, just as it was Judas' decision to break
    with Jesus. Both men could've turned it around if they wanted; but didn't.
    Cain walked out on God of his own volition. Now he would face life very

    Gen 4:14b . . anyone who meets me may kill me.

    I'm curious as to who Cain feared might slay him. The Adams family were
    the only people on earth at that time. It appears to me that Cain did not
    believe his father Adam was the only man that God created.

    Gen 4:15a . .The Lord said to him: I promise, if anyone kills Cain,
    sevenfold vengeance shall be taken on him.

    Humanistic senses of right and wrong demand that Cain pay for murdering
    his kid brother. But up to that point in God's association with humanity, He
    had not yet announced any edicts related to criminal justice. So then, were
    somebody to go after Cain and execute him for the crime of murder, they
    would be nothing less than a lynch mob taking the law into their own hands;
    which is clearly a very serious thing to do.

    Gen 4:15b . . And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest anyone who
    met him should kill him.

    The nature of Cain's mark is totally unknown. However, the "mark" wasn't so
    people would hoot at Cain wherever he went. It was a "No Hunting" sign so
    future generations of the Adams' family would know the real Cain from
    imposters who might be inclined to give themselves a sort of diplomatic
    immunity by impersonating Abel's brother.

    God allows ignorance as an excuse; to a point. However, information creates
    responsibility. When a person knows an act is wrong, and goes ahead and
    does it anyway, they are in much deeper trouble than one who did not know
    that a particular act was wrong.

    No one had been forbidden to kill Abel, nor forbidden to kill any other man
    for that matter. But soon it would become widespread public knowledge that
    God strictly forbade killing Cain. Therefore, anyone who ignored God would
    pay dearly for knowingly, and willfully, ignoring His wishes; just as Adam
    died for tasting the forbidden fruit because the tasting was willful, and done
    in full understanding of both the ban and the consequence. (cf. Num 15:30
    31, Matt 11:20-24, Luke 12:47-48, Heb 10:26-27)

    Gen 4:16a . . Cain left the presence of The Lord

    Cain's departure from the presence of the Lord wasn't a forced eviction as
    had been the Adams' departure from the garden. And even though the
    Adams were driven from the garden, they weren't driven from God. The
    family kept that connection and brought up their boys to keep it too.

    Cain's self-imposed exile has the aura of a dreadful finality. He renounced
    God, and his native religion, and was content to forego its privileges so that
    he might not be under its control. He forsook not only his kin but also their
    worship, and cast off all pretenses to the fear of God-- apparently putting
    out of his mind God's statement: "If you do what is right, will you not be

    Gen 4:16a is a terrible epitaph upon the tombstone of Cain's life, and you
    can almost feel the concussion of a dreadful thud as the mighty doors of
    perdition close solidly behind him; sealing his passage into permanent

    Why didn't God plead with Cain to stay in touch? Well, that would be like
    throwing good money after bad. God had already tried at Gen 4:7; and like
    Einstein once remarked: Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing the
    same way over and over again and expecting a different result. Well; God's
    not insane; He knows when to say when. Sadly, there are people for whom
    it can be said: That was the last straw.

    Of all the things that Cain had done up to this point, walking out on God was
    his worst mistake. Yes, he would have to scrounge for food; but that was
    just a bump in the road; not the end of the road. People need to think that
    over. No matter how harsh your circumstances are, and no matter what life
    has thrown in your face, loss of contact with your maker is much worse. It is
    wise to stay in touch with God even if your life is a train wreck and God
    seems oblivious to your circumstances.

    "The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in
    steadfast love. He will not contend forever, or nurse His anger for all time . .
    As a father has compassion for his children, so The Lord has compassion for
    those who fear Him. For He knows how we are formed; He is mindful that
    we are dust." (Ps 103:8-14)

    That Psalm's encouragement is restricted to "those who fear Him". The Cains
    of this world are of course eo ipso excluded.

    Gen 4:16b . . and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

    The Hebrew word for "Nod" is from nowd (node) and means: wandering,
    vagrancy or exile. Precisely how Nod got its name, or where it was located is
    unknown. The only other place in the entire Old Testament where nowd is
    found is at Ps 56:9.


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    Genesis 4:17-19

    Gen 4:17a . . Cain knew his wife,

    Adam was created directly from the dust of the earth. Not so Eve. She was
    constructed from a human tissue sample amputated from Adam's body. In
    other words: Eve's flesh was biologically just as much Adam's flesh as
    Adam's except for gender; viz: Eve wasn't a discrete species of human life,
    rather; she was the flip side of the same coin.

    After God created Adam and Eve, He wrapped creation and has been on
    sabbatical every since.

    According to the Bible, all human life thereafter came from Eve's flesh.

    "Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the
    living." (Gen 3:20)

    Bottom line: The flesh of Cain's wife descended from his mother's flesh.

    NOTE: Seeing as how Eve was the mother of all living, then she was the
    mother of Christ; ergo: if Mary was the mother of God, then so was Eve.

    An even more convincing example of prehistoric incest is Noah and his three
    sons and their wives. Nobody else survived the Flood; ergo: Shem's, Ham's,
    and Japheth's children married amongst themselves-- brothers with sisters
    and/or cousins with cousins.

    "Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and
    Japheth. These three were the sons of Noah; and from these the whole earth
    was populated." (Gen 9:18-19)

    Obviously the human genome was very pure back in those days. The proof
    of it is pre-historic human life's amazing longevity-- Adam lived to be 930,
    and Noah to 950.

    NOTE: Scientists have identified 100,000 pieces of retrovirus DNA in human
    genes, making up eight percent of the genome. As to whether those
    retroviruses have contributed to the shortening of the human life span, I
    don't know; but I'd bet that those bugs were not in the human genome at

    According to Acts 17:26 it was the creator's deliberate design that all human
    life descend from a solo specimen. Well, in order for that to happen, people
    had to sleep with close relatives in the beginning.

    Now as to the "sin" of incest; according to Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal
    3:17, Bible laws enacted ex post facto are too late; viz: law can't be
    enforced until after it's enacted. Well, laws forbidding incest weren't codified
    until the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus,
    Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

    Gen 4:17b . . and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he then
    founded a city, and named the city after his son Enoch.

    The "city" probably wasn't the kind of city we're used to thinking. The word
    for it is from 'iyr (eer) and simply means a community-- a place guarded by
    waking or a watch --in the widest sense; even of a mere encampment or

    Whether Cain actually lived in a permanent settlement is doubtful since he
    was stuck with vagrancy and wandering. Cain's city was very likely nothing
    more than a rudimentary village like the towns in the Old West and the
    Klondike that grew up around rail heads and mining camps.

    Some of those were little more than a village of tents, and that's probably all
    that Enochville amounted to. Just a nomadic assembly of Cain's clan where
    they could pool their resources, and watch each other's back as they
    wandered from place to place in the land of Nod searching for sustenance.

    Gen 4:18-19 . .To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad begot Mehujael,
    and Mehujael begot Methusael, and Methusael begot Lamech.
    Lamech took to himself two wives: the name of the one was Adah,
    and the name of the other was Zillah.

    Adah is from 'Adah (aw-daw') and means: ornament. It's not unusual for
    people to name their little girls after jewelry like Pearl, Ruby, Jade, Sapphire,
    and Amber. Zillah is from Tsillah (tsil-law') which is derived from tsel (tsale)
    and means: shade (or shadow), whether literal or figurative. Shade is a
    good thing in sunny locales so Zillah's name may have been associated with
    shelter, protection, peace, serenity, and rest-- as in Song 2:3.

    Lamech's marriages are the very first incidence of polygamy in the Bible,
    and I have yet to see a passage where God either approved or disapproved
    of it other than the restrictions imposed upon New Testament church
    officers. (e.g. 1Tim 3:2, 1Tim 3:12, and Titus 1:6)

    Aside from the obvious sensual benefits men derive from harems; polygamy
    does have its practical side. The gestation period for human beings is nine
    months. At that rate, it would take a man many years to build up his clan to
    a respectable size. But with multiple wives, he could speed things up
    considerably. In primitive cultures, large families are very influential, and
    their numbers crucial to survival and self preservation.

    "Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are sons born to a man in his youth.
    Happy is the man who fills his quiver with them; they shall not be put to
    shame when they contend with the enemy in the gate." (Ps 127:4-5)

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    Genesis 4:20-22

    Gen 4:20 . . Adah bore Jabal; he was the ancestor of those who
    dwell in tents and amidst herds.

    This is the Bible's very first mention of man-made portable shelters. Tents,
    teepees, wigwams, etc; make it possible to roam long distances in relative
    comfort while searching for foods and pastures.

    Abraham and Sarah were housed in portable shelters the whole time they
    lived in Canaan. With portable shelters, Enochville could be a very mobile
    community, staying in one place only long enough to deplete its natural
    resources before moving on to better diggings to invade, plunder, exploit,
    pollute, and depredate.

    Jabal wasn't the father of animal husbandry as the passage seems to
    suggest. Abel was already tending flocks before Jabal was born (Gen 4:2).
    Dwelling "amidst" herds describes the lifestyle of North America's early
    plains Indians; whose livelihood depended a great deal upon wild buffalo.
    Though they followed the herds, the Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Kiowa,
    Crow, Blackfoot, Comanche, and Shoshone, et el; didn't actually raise any of
    their own buffalo like on a ranch.

    Dwelling amidst herds is a nomadic way of life rather than one that's
    domesticated; hence the need for portable shelters; and the herds (e.g.
    deer, elk, wild goats, antelope, wildebeests, et al) would provide fabric for
    not only the tents, but also for shoes and clothing; which would need
    replacement quite often.

    One of Lewis' and Clark's complaints, when they were passing through the
    Oregon territory, was that moccasins rotted off their feet in the Northwest's
    climate. Even without rot, the soles of moccasins are not all that resistant to
    wear. Buckskins, manufactured from Elk hide and/or deerskin, fared little

    Gen 4:21 . . And the name of his brother was Jubal; he was the
    ancestor of all who play the lyre and the pipe.

    The word for "ancestor" is from 'ab (awb); a primitive word which means
    father, in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application. In
    this particular case, 'ab wouldn't mean literal kin, but likely analogous to an
    inventor who is the first to introduce a new concept which then later
    becomes widely adopted.

    The word for "lyre" is from kinnowr (kin-nore') and means: to twang. So the
    actual instrument itself is difficult to identify. It could have been a harp. But
    then again, it may have even been something as simple as a string stretched
    between a washtub and a broom stick.

    The interesting thing about an ancient twanging instrument is its string. How
    did the Cainites make them? Of what material? A stringed instrument is a
    pretty advanced musical tool and certainly not something you would expect
    to find among so primitive a people as the antediluvians.

    The word for "pipe" is from 'uwgab (oo-gawb') and means: a reed
    instrument of music.

    A modern reed instrument is typically a woodwind that produces sound by
    vibrating a thin strip of wood against the mouthpiece; like clarinets and
    saxophones (hence the classification: woodwinds). But in that culture, it
    could very well have been something as simple as a tube whistle made from
    a single hollow section of plant stem; or several of those bundled together
    like a Pan flute.

    Gen 4:22a . . As for Zillah, she bore Tubal-cain, who forged all
    implements of copper and iron.

    Copper, in its natural form, is too soft and pliable for practical purposes; but
    it's a classification of metals called work-hardening. In other words, by
    pounding or rolling cold copper, its mechanical properties can be greatly
    improved. It probably didn't take Mr. Tubal-cain long to figure that out.

    Adding a little tin to copper produces bronze, which is much stronger and
    tougher than pure copper.

    Copper's advantage in cooking is its natural heat conduction, which is very
    fast as compared to iron and/or steel. It's also an excellent conductor of
    electricity, but unless they were bottling lightening in those days, copper's
    electrical properties would have to wait for future exploitation.

    Iron, though stronger and harder than copper, is relatively soft and pliable in
    its natural condition too; but with the addition of small amounts of carbon, it
    becomes steel, which is quite a bit tougher than natural iron. Whether Tubal
    cain figured that out is difficult to know for sure.

    Gen 4:22b . . And the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

    Her name is from Na'amah (nah-am-aw') which means pleasant, amiable, or
    agreeable. A girl named Joy would probably fit that category. Na'amah
    suggests that the people of Enochville were content with their way of life.

    So all in all, Enochville, though unproductive in agriculture, prospered
    through manufacturing and commerce instead; trading the goods and
    services of their industrial base for much needed produce; the same way
    that most urbanites still do even today. People in towns and cities typically
    don't support themselves directly from nature. They earn a medium of
    exchange in some sort of skill or profession, then trade it with merchants to
    buy the things they need to survive.

    The technological, and cultural, level of early Man was very high. It's
    interesting that the identifying marks which evolutionary anthropologists use
    to denote the emergence of a stone age culture into a civilized society were
    evident in Cain's day-- animal husbandry, agriculture, trades, urbanization,
    music, and metallurgy. All these civilizational technologies emerged very
    early: within just a few generations of Adam; rather than thousands upon
    thousands of years of human development.

    I'm not saying there were never any "stone-age" peoples. Obviously there
    were. But though Cain's community may have started out as cave men, by
    Noah's day they were past primitive conditions and actually pretty advanced.

    It's too bad the Flood wiped early Man off the map. Who can tell what he
    might have accomplished had his progress not been interrupted (cf. Gen


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    Genesis 4:23-26

    Gen 4:23-24 . . And Lamech said to his wives: Adah and Zillah, hear
    my voice! O wives of Lamech, give ear to my speech! I have slain a
    man for wounding me, and a lad for bruising me. If Cain is avenged
    sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.

    Brag, Brag, Brag-- boy, I tell you some men sure love to show off and glorify
    themselves in front of women; no doubt about it.

    Apparently ol' Lamech figured the homicide he committed wasn't nearly as
    severe as Cain's because he killed in retribution; whereas Cain killed in a
    rage. Also, Cain killed his kid brother, whereas Lamech killed his relative a
    little more distant. So to Lamech's way of thinking, Cain's killing was a much
    more serious crime; and if a dirty rotten scoundrel like gramps was under
    divine protections, then, in Lamech's mind, he certainly deserved to be
    under them even more so.

    It almost appears that Lamech killed two people, but really it was only one;
    and in fact a person younger than himself. Two words describe Lamech's
    opponent. The first word is from 'enowsh (en-oshe') and simply means a
    mortal; viz: a human being (of either gender), in general (singly or
    collectively); viz: someone and/or somebody. The second word reveals the
    person's age. The word for "lad" is yeled (yeh'-led) and means something
    born, i.e. a lad or offspring-- boy, child, fruit, son, young one and/or young

    Apparently Lamech got in a disagreement with somebody and they settled
    their differences in a fight. The injury Lamech received in the ensuing scuffle
    could have been something as simple as the man biting his ear or kicking
    him in the groin. It's my guess Lamech over-reacted and stabbed the man to
    death with a spiffy hunting knife that his son Tubal-cain made for him over
    in the blacksmith shop.

    Lamech's sense of right and wrong reflects the humanistic conscience of a
    man void of God's mentoring. In his earthly mind, revenge was an okay
    thing; which is a common attitude in many primitive cultures.

    But his opponent only wounded him. In return, Lamech took his life. The
    scales of justice don't balance in a situation like that-- they tip. Pure law
    says eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, stripe for stripe, life
    for life, and no more. If the lad's intent was obviously upon great bodily
    harm; Lamech would probably be justified to kill in self defense since his
    opponent was a younger man and had the advantage in age. However,
    according to Lamech's own testimony, he killed the man in revenge; not self

    Cain's side of the Adams family is characterized by technology, invention,
    boasting, achievement, commerce, and violence. But not one word is
    recorded concerning its association with, nor its interest in, their maker.
    Cain's entire community was impious and went on to be completely
    destroyed right down to the last man, woman, and child in Noah's flood. No
    one survives him today.

    The Bible doesn't record even one single incident of a Cainite blessing God
    for His goodness; nor for His mercy, nor for His providence. There is no
    record that any of them ever said even one single prayer-- not even a
    simple lay-me-down-to-sleep kind of prayer. Every one of the little kids in
    Enochville went to bed each night without the slightest assurance that
    humanity's creator cared at all for the well being of their little souls.

    How many homes right here today in modern America reflect that very same
    Cainish culture? The parents and the children are unthankful, unholy, and
    irreligious; caring little or nothing for things of eternal value: moving
    towards an inevitable head-on rendezvous with death and the hereafter, and
    totally unprepared to meet their maker.

    Gen 4:26a . . And to Seth, in turn, a son was born, and he named
    him Enosh.

    Sometimes the record shows the mother naming a child, and sometimes the
    father; which suggests that in all cases there was very likely mutual
    consultation between husband and wife on this important decision. But it's
    always important for the father to take a hand in naming the children
    because the act testifies that he has legally, and officially, accepted them as
    his own (e.g. Gen 15:16, Gen 21:3, Matt 1:21, Luke 1:13, Luke 1:63, Rev

    "Enosh" is from 'enowsh (en-oshe') and means: a mortal; hence a man in
    general, singly or collectively-- thus differing from the more dignified 'adam
    (aw-dawm') which is the proper name of the human race (Gen 5:2). There's
    really nothing special about an 'enowsh-- just a feller. Sometimes boys are
    named Guy or Buddy, so 'enowsh would be a common enough name.

    Gen 4:26b . .Then men began to call on the name of The Lord.

    The Hebrew word for "Lord" in this case is Yhvh; which always, and without
    exception, refers to the one true god.

    Apparently up to this point in time, people addressed God in a sort of
    general way instead of a personal way.

    According to a note in the Stone Tanach, the four letters of this name are
    those of the Hebrew words "He always was, He always is, and He always will
    be" signifying that Yhvh is timeless, perpetual, and infinite; ergo: self

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    Genesis 5:1-8

    Gen 5:1a . .This is the record of Adam's line.

    I suspect that Adam's genealogy would be better defined as "a" record
    rather than "the" record because the Bible's version isn't exhaustive.

    Adam's genealogy includes every natural-born human being who ever lived
    and/or will live, but the only branch in his tree that really counts is the one
    leading to Jesus of Nazareth: the Bible's central figure.

    Gen 5:1b-2 . .When God created man, He made him in the likeness
    of God; male and female He created them. And when they were
    created, He blessed them and called them Man.

    As a preamble to Seth's line, Genesis reminds the reader that Man's origin
    was by intelligent design and special creation, and that he was made in the
    likeness of his creator, and that he's been an h.sapiens right from the get
    go. Man didn't begin his existence as some sort of pre-human hominid
    named Ardi who lived in Ethiopia's Afar Rift some 4.4 million years ago.

    Some people take issue with Genesis because it seems to them so
    unscientific and contrary to the (known) fossil record. But they need to be
    cautious because science doesn't have perfect understanding of everything
    yet, nor has it discovered everything there is to discover, and it often has to
    be revised to reflect new discoveries, and to correct outdated theories and

    But to be fair, Bible students don't know everything yet either so I would
    advise watching the sciences for new discoveries that help fill in some of the
    Bible's blanks.

    Gen 5:3a . .When Adam had lived 130 years, he begot a son

    Adam lived to be 930. If we compare that age to that of the average life
    expectancy of American men today, Adam would have been an eleven year
    old kid when Seth was born.

    Eve understood Seth to be Abel's replacement. But that doesn't necessarily
    mean Seth was the very next boy born into the Adams family after Abel. It
    doesn't even mean Seth was her third child. Bible genealogies often have
    very large gaps in them, omitting insignificant male siblings; and typically all
    of the girls. In one instance (1Chrn 1:1) the record skips Abel and jumps
    right to Seth.

    Taking advantage of this rather strange Bible practice; critics are quick to
    point out generational gaps in Christ's genealogy with the intent of
    invalidating the entire New Testament. But gaps are to be expected or
    otherwise the list would be cumbersome and require a book all its own. For
    example; a sizeable quantity of time passed between Noah's ark and the
    arrival of Abraham on the scene; and probably a couple of ice ages too.
    We're talking about a lot of generations there, and naming them all to a man
    would be just as useless as it would be impractical.

    Gen 5:3b . . in his likeness after his image, and he named him Seth.

    Seth's image and likeness of his father Adam testifies that he was not made
    in the image and likeness of another species of human being. No; he was
    made of Adam's organic human tissue just as his mother Eve was. Thus Seth
    was an extension of Adam.

    That may seem a trivial matter, but it's very important because it reflects
    upon the kind of human being that Christ was born as. His human body
    wasn't a celestial human body nor the human body of another species of
    human being: no, his human body was an extension of Adam through and
    through just as Seth's and just as Eve's.

    Adam's image and likeness of God was obtained via the process of creation;
    while Seth's image and likeness of Adam was by means of procreation;
    which Webster's defines as reproduction; viz: biological progeny.

    Gen 5:4-5 . . After the birth of Seth, Adam lived 800 years and
    begot sons and daughters. All the days that Adam lived came to 930
    years; then he died.

    Well, there goes grandpa Adam, just as God predicted at Gen 3:19. But hey?
    Where's the listing of the rest of his kids? Didn't God bless him with the
    words "be fruitful, increase in number, and fill the earth". Well, I seriously
    doubt that he and Eve stopped after just three kids. But the rest of his
    progeny-- for reasons I can only guess --didn't make the cut.

    But when did Eve die? Did she outlive Adam? Who died first, Adam or Eve?
    Nobody really knows. But supposing Eve died quite a while before Adam?
    Did he remarry? And if he remarried, who did he marry? One of his own

    Well . . in Adam's case, what's so bad about that? I mean, after all, his first
    wife was constructed from the organic tissues of his own body; so that in
    reality, Eve was his first child which means that by today's social standards;
    Adam practiced the worst kind of incest. At least his grandkids would have
    been several times removed.

    Gen 5:6-7 . .When Seth had lived 105 years, he begot Enosh. After
    the birth of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and begot sons and

    No doubt some people envy the longevity of the antediluvians; but I don't.
    Their life was hard, and for the most part, pretty boring too. Would you want
    to live for 912 years in pre historic conditions without a single modern
    convenience? Not me.

    Was Enosh the first of Seth's children? Maybe, but probably not. However,
    he is the only child that counts because it's through him that we're moving
    towards Noah; and ultimately Abraham, David, and Christ.

    Gen 5:8 . . All the days of Seth came to 912 years; then he died.

    (sigh) The story of our futile lives. So and So was born, he got married and
    reproduced; he lived X number of years after that, and then died-- same O,
    same O. The weary circle of life.

    "Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless. What does man gain from all his labor at which
    he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth
    remains forever." (Ecc 1:2-4)

    The earth is dumber than a brick; yet easily outlives its human potentate;
    whose IQ is infinitely greater.


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    Genesis 5:9-27

    Gen 5:9 . .When Enosh had lived 90 years, he begot Kenan.

    Kenan's name in the Hebrew is Qeynan (kay-nawn') which means fixed or
    permanent; sort of like birds' nests, homes; and drifters finally ending their
    nomadic life and putting down some roots. Fixed can also mean that
    someone's life has a noble purpose and that their mind is focused upon that
    purpose rather than looking two ways at once. Or it can also mean
    somebody's life is a dead end; for example "this is as good as it's ever going
    to get". Kind of pessimistic; but had I lived back then, I would have agreed;

    Gen 5:10 . . After the birth of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and
    begot sons and daughters.

    You know, some of these guys really didn't accomplish very much. All they
    seemed to do was reproduce. But the important thing is: they made a line to
    Messiah and, as is the duty of patriarchs, preserved whatever sacred
    teachings were handed down from their fathers.

    Gen 5:11 . . All the days of Enosh came to 905 years; then he died.

    (yawn) Over and over again. Just about everybody reproduces in chapter
    five. And just about everybody dies too.

    Gen 5:12-20 . .When Kenan had lived 70 years, he begot Mahalalel.
    After the birth of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and begot sons
    and daughters. All the days of Kenan came to 910 years; then he
    died. When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he begot Jared. After the
    birth of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and begot sons and
    daughters. All the days of Mahalalel came to 895 years; then he died.

    . . .When Jared had lived 162 years, he begot Enoch. After the birth
    of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and begot sons and daughters. All
    the days of Jared came to 962 years; then he died.

    Four of those men-- Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, and Kenan (Cainan) --are
    listed in Christ's genealogy at Luke 3:37-38.

    Gen 5:21 . .When Enoch had lived 65 years, he begot Methuselah.

    Methuselah's name is Methuwshelach (meth-oo-sheh'-lakh) which is a
    compound word made up of math (math) which means an adult (as of full
    length or full size), and shelach (sheh'-lakh) which means a missile of
    attack, i.e. a spear, sling stone, or perhaps an arrow. Methuselah was a
    man-size weapon rather than one that might be employed by little children.

    Today our preferred missile of attack from a hand held weapon is the bullet.
    A Methuselah bullet would probably be known today as a magnum.
    Magnums cost more than normal ammo but hit harder, go further, and
    cause more damage (they're louder too). A modern name that might
    correspond to Methuselah is Long Tom-- a nickname often given to very
    large canons. Maybe they meant to call him Big Guy because he was such a
    heavy newborn.

    Gen 5:22-23 . . After the birth of Methuselah, Enoch walked with
    God 300 years; and he begot sons and daughters. All the days of
    Enoch came to 365 years.

    Enoch was a fiery preacher, speaking the words recorded in Jude 1:14-15;
    warning people prior to the Flood that Almighty God intends to hold people's
    feet to the fire some day.

    Gen 5:24a . . Enoch walked with God;

    Enoch was the exact opposite of Cain: he walked with God rather than away
    from God.

    This is the very first man on record who is actually said to have walked with
    God; though no doubt Abel did too.

    Those who are outwardly religious, but don't actually walk with God, might
    be wise to give this next little saying some thought.

    Ye call me Lord and respect me not.
    Ye call me Master and obey me not.
    Ye call me Light and see me not.
    Ye call me Way and walk me not.
    Ye call me Life and choose me not.
    Ye call me Wise and heed me not.
    Ye call me Kind and love me not.
    Ye call me Just and fear me not.
    If I condemn thee, blame me not.

    On the page of Scripture, Enoch isn't said to walk with God until after his
    little boy Methuselah was born; suggesting perhaps that parenthood gave
    him cause to ponder his manner of life thus far.

    Gen 5:24b . . then he was no more, because God took him away.

    The Hebrew word for "no more" is 'ayin (ah'-yin) which is primarily a
    negative indicating that one minute Enoch was on earth, and the next he

    It's difficult to ascertain from so little information in the book of Genesis
    whether Enoch died of natural causes or the hand of God; but according to
    Heb 11:5, he didn't undergo death at all but was instantaneously transferred
    from this life to the next; apparently leaving behind no remains for his
    family to bury.

    It's assumed by many that Enoch was taken to heaven; but according to
    Christ; no man had been to heaven prior to himself. (John 3:13)

    Gen 5:25-27 . .When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he begot
    Lamech. After the birth of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and
    begot sons and daughters. All the days of Methuselah came to 969
    years; then he died.

    Ol' Methuselah holds the record for longevity. He outlived his son Lamech,
    dying five years after him in the very year the Flood came; when
    Methuselah's grandson Noah was 600.

    Whether or not Methuselah died in the Flood or by natural causes is not said.
    However, he may indeed have perished in it right along with all of the rest of
    Noah's relatives. Just because men are listed in Messiah's genealogy doesn't
    necessarily mean they were righteous. In point of fact, some of the Davidic
    kings in Jesus' line were totally incorrigible men beyond remedy. (e.g. Jer


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    Genesis 5:28-32

    Gen 5:28-29 . .When Lamech had lived 182 years, he begot a son.
    And he named him Noah, saying: This one will provide us relief from
    our work and from the toil of our hands, out of the very soil which
    the Lord placed under a curse.

    The word for "Noah" is from nuwach (noo'-akh) and means: rest or quiet.
    But not the kind of quiet one might find in a sound-proof room. More like the
    tranquility a person would experience by getting away from anxiety, fear,
    conflict, and toil.

    Lamech speaks as one fatigued with the business of living, and as one
    grudging that so much energy, which otherwise might have been much
    better employed in leisure, entertainment, or self improvement, was
    unavoidably spent in toil and labor necessary simply to survive back in that

    Lamech undoubtedly saw that Noah was a very special boy; the next
    patriarch after himself. Perhaps he hoped Noah was the promised seed of
    the woman; the one who would crush the Serpent's head, remove the curse,
    and restore the Earth to its former prosperity and glory; thus making for
    Man a much more enjoyable experience than the one he is subjected to for

    "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing
    with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager
    longing for the revealing of the sons of God; for the creation was subjected
    to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope;
    because the creation itself will be set free from its slavery to decay and
    obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God." (Rom 8:18-21)

    "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so
    that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that
    He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven
    must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has
    spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began." (Acts

    According to Acts 3:19-21, men have been pounding pulpits since the very
    beginning, and all of the prophets, ever since Abel, have looked ahead in
    anxious anticipation to Messiah's intervention in world affairs and bringing
    into existence a much better world than the one that is now.

    Gen 5:30-32 . . After the birth of Noah, Lamech lived 595 years and
    begot sons and daughters. All the days of Lamech came to 777
    years; then he died. When Noah had lived 500 years, Noah begot
    Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

    Lamech escaped the Flood by a mere 5 years. It came when Noah was 600
    (Gen 7:6).

    Shem was the next patriarch after his dad Noah. But the names of all three
    boys are given probably because of the role they will play in re-populating
    the Earth after the Flood. The Bible doesn't say that Shem, Ham, and
    Japheth were especially good men. They survived the Flood in spite of their
    character only because they got aboard the ark with their dad when it was
    time for the rain to begin. If they had mocked, and remained on land with
    the rest of the world, then they would have certainly drowned right along
    with everyone else in spite of their ancestry.

    So; were Mr and Mrs Noah childless until Noah was 500 years old? Probably
    not. The other kids, if there were any, didn't count as far as God was
    concerned, and, if there were any, they perished in the deluge. Being related
    to holy men like rabbis, pastors or deacons doesn't guarantee a ticket to
    safety. Everyone has to make their own personal decisions in that regard
    (e.g. Gen 19:12-14). God commands all people everywhere to repent.
    Refuse, and it's curtains; no matter how important, nor well connected, your
    relatives might be.


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    Genesis 6:1-2

    Gen 6:1-2 . . Now it came about, when men began to multiply on
    the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons
    of God saw that the daughters of men were good; and they took
    wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

    The Hebrew word for "good" in that passage is towb (tobe) which is the very
    same word that Genesis utilizes to evaluate God's handiwork in creation;
    e.g. Light (Gen 1:4) Land and Seas (Gen 1:10) Vegetation (Gen 1:12) Sun,
    Moon, and Stars (Gen 1:18) Birds and Aquatic Life (Gen 1:21) Beasts and
    Bugs (Gen 1:25) and the finished product. (Gen 1:31)

    Towb is one of those ambiguous Hebrew words that can be utilized as either
    a noun or an adjective in a wide variety of applications. It can indicate
    morality, it can indicate a tasty meal, it can indicate a job well done, it can
    indicate a nice man, it can indicate a pretty dress, it can indicate a shapely
    woman and/or a handsome man, and it can indicate an expert musician
    and/or a really groovy song like Lady Gaga's "Bad Romance"

    In my judicious estimation, when God's handiwork turned out "good" towb
    indicates that the cosmos-- and all of its forms of life, matter, and energy -
    came out just the way God wanted it to; perfectly suited to the purposes He
    had in mind when He designed everything. But in this case; I think it's pretty
    safe to assume towb indicates a woman's looks.

    NOTE: Ambiguous Hebrew words like towb serve to illustrate why it's
    virtually impossible to translate Hebrew into English with 100% verbatim
    precision. No linguist in his right mind would dare to say that English
    versions of the Hebrew Old Testament are perfect word-for-word renditions
    of the original manuscripts-- no; they can't even be certified perfect word
    for-word renditions of the available manuscripts let alone the originals.

    The precise identity of the "sons of God" has been debated. Some say they
    were the sons of the aristocracy of that day who married attractive women
    from among the commoners. Others say they were renegade spirit creatures
    who cohabited with humans to produce a hybrid strain of hominid freaks.

    Others say they were believing men who threw caution to the wind and built
    themselves harems of irreverent women instead of marrying believing
    women of like faith; viz: the men married infidels-- implying that "daughters
    of men" were women who didn't fear the Bible's God. (e.g. Gen 26:34-35)

    Intermarriage between men of faith and infidel women is as old a practice as
    adultery; and a proven tactic for watering down, compromising, and even
    extinguishing Bible beliefs and practices (e.g. Num 31:7-16). The people of
    God are strictly, unequivocally, and clearly forbidden to marry outside their
    faith. (Deut 7:1-4, 2Cor 6:14-18)

    In a mixed relationship-- one a believer and the other an infidel --the
    believer will be forced to compromise their convictions in order to keep the
    relationship going. Compromise in the area of spiritual values is not a good
    thing for God's people. It's not only bad for the conscience, but will quickly
    ruin a believer's relationship with their Lord. (1John 1:6)

    Most people want love, romance, companionship, and a family of their own.
    According to Gen 1:27-28, and Gen 2:21-24, those things are Divine
    blessings, they're perfectly normal and nothing to be ashamed of; nor is
    there anything intrinsically naughty or sinful about them. But a believer has
    to be self controlled, and not permit their base nature to make them lose
    their heads and ruin their chances for happiness.

    Adult dating is where it starts. And adult dating isn't harmless. It leads to
    other things, and it leads into commitments and promises that are not easily
    reneged. The end result of adult dating is ultimately marriage and children
    (quite possibly illegitimate children). Whose spiritual philosophy will prevail
    in the marriage? Whose spiritual philosophy will be taught to the children?
    The believer's or the infidel's? And ultimately, who will get the children's
    souls-- God, or the Serpent?

    Some couples try to accommodate each other's beliefs by teaching their
    children the concepts of both religions. For example, a marriage between a
    Buddhist and a Christian. The children are given a choice between the Bible
    and the Four Noble Truths; and between Christ and Siddhartha Gautama,
    and between resurrection and reincarnation. That may seem like a good
    idea, but it only creates confusion in the minds of the children. Why are
    mom and dad not in agreement? Whose religion is right? Can both be right?
    Does it mean that one religion is just as good as the next?

    Wives can be very effective in influencing an otherwise pious man to
    compromise his convictions (e.g. Gen 3:6). All too often, in a mixed
    marriage, the mother's religion will be taught to her children because
    husbands, as a rule, put a higher priority on sex and peace in the home than
    religion, so they won't risk alienating mama by forcing the issue.

    The sons of God in Noah's day-- whose wives were chosen based solely upon
    sex appeal sans any spiritual prudence whatsoever --all perished in the
    Flood right along with their infidel wives and children. Not a one of them had
    the good sense to go aboard the ark with Noah.

    It's never wise for believers to marry outside their faith. A good example is
    Solomon. He got off to a good start but down the road accumulated a harem
    of foreign women who led him into idolatry; which subsequently caused The
    Lord to engineer rebellion in the kingdom. (1Kgs 11 & 12)

    NOTE: What might we get by crossing a sequoia cactus with a raccoon?
    Nothing because the genetic chemistry of the cactus is incompatible with
    that of a raccoon. What might we get by crossing a spirit being with a
    human being? Nothing because the genetic chemistry of a being consisting
    of spirit is incompatible with that of a being consisting of matter. I should
    think that anyone with even average intelligence would have little trouble
    understanding that it's impossible to get a woman pregnant by injecting her
    womb with air.

    "Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your
    thinking be adults." (1Cor 14:20)


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    Genesis 6:3-4

    Gen 6:3a . . And Yhvh said: My Spirit shall not strive with man

    Some translations have "abide" instead of strive. But the Hebrew word is
    diyn (deen) which means: to rule; by implication: to judge (as umpire); also
    to strive (as at law). It can also mean to plead the cause of; or to contend in

    So. How did "My Spirit" accomplish this striving with man? In person
    Himself? No; just like He always has: via a holy man.

    "Noah, a preacher of righteousness" (2Pet 2:5)

    According to 1Pet 3:18-20, the Spirit of Christ and My Spirit are one and the
    same spirit. In point of fact; according to 1Pet 1:10-11, all the Old
    Testament preachers (a..k.a. prophets) were motivated by the Spirit of
    Christ. (cf. Rom 8:9 and 1Cor 6:19 where the Spirit of Christ and The Spirit
    are again seen as one and the same spirit)

    Anyway, point being: there does come a time when God's patience runs out.
    Not because He can't take it anymore, but because when human beings
    become too decadent and too incorrigible, then any more reasoning with
    them would be like throwing good money after bad; and risky too.

    "Do not give what is sacred to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before
    swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to
    pieces." (Matt 7:6)

    It's sad but true: there are people out there so devoid of spiritual values that
    they're practically feral.

    Contrary to the mushy, sob-sister brand of Christianity going around like
    swine flu, there is a time when forgiveness is not only impractical, but it's
    also unreasonable. Hell is populated with people who will never, ever be
    forgiven. They crossed a line and now there's no going back; ever. God no
    longer has any interest in their welfare. They are forgotten and ignored; and
    can expect neither pity nor sympathy from God ever again.

    Gen 6:3b . . for they are only flesh.

    The problem with flesh is it's brevity. Because people eventually die, God
    has a limited amount of time to work with them before they pass on.

    Gen 6:3c . . yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.

    Some feel that God set the limits of human longevity in that verse. But
    people still continued to live long lives for a great number of years
    afterwards. Even Abraham, who lived many, many years after the Flood,
    didn't die till he was 175 years old. It's far more reasonable to conclude that
    God was announcing a deadline; viz: they had 120 years left to get ready to
    meet their maker. But you think that alarmed anybody? Heck no. They went
    right on; business as usual.

    "And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of
    Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in
    marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and
    destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26-27)

    Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days, and also
    afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,
    and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who
    were of old, men of renown.

    The Hebrew word for "giants" in that passage is nephiyl (nef-eel') or nephil
    (nef-eel') and I have no clue why the KJV's scholars translated it giants
    because it doesn't mean that at all. For one thing; it's an ambiguous word
    with more than one meaning. It can indicate someone who cuts, knocks, or
    brings things down, or a killer; and/or bullies and tyrants.

    Now; granted that some bullies are big guys; but not all tyrants are big
    guys. Take for example Kim Jong-Un of North Korea, He isn't especially
    imposing but Mr. Jong Il sure knows how to exercise power excessively and

    In other words: nephiyl doesn't necessarily indicate a special race of people;
    but simply people whose ambition is to dominate others; even if they have
    to completely destroy their culture and kill them all off to do it; viz: nephiyl
    personalities are not good followers nor are they very good team players. It
    can be accurately said of nephiyl personalities that they would rather rule in
    hell than serve in heaven. In other words: if they can't conquer God, then
    they would just as soon have nothing to do with Him.

    Historical examples of nephiyl types would be men like Genghis Khan of
    Mongolia, and Alexander the Great of Greece; Napoleon of France, Peter
    Alekseyevich Romanov of Russia, Chandragupta Maurya of India, shogun
    Minamoto no Yoritomo of Japan, conquistador Hernando Cortes of Spain,
    Timur: founder of the Timurid dynasty, and Zahir-ud din Muhammad Babur:
    founder of the Mughal dynasty that ruled the Indian subcontinent for over
    three centuries.

    Q: If all the nephiyl types drowned in the Flood; then how did their
    characteristics manage to resurface down the road?

    A: Well; from whence did nephiyl types originate in the first place? Same
    place every other personality type originated: from Adam's genes; viz: since
    Noah and his wife, and his sons and their wives, were Adam's descendants,
    then nephiyl characteristics survived the Flood by riding it out in the DNA of
    the people aboard the ark.


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    Genesis 6:5-7

    Gen 6:5 . . And the Lord saw that the evil of man was great in the
    earth, and every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time.

    Man's descent into depravity didn't catch his creator by surprise. After all;
    not only can God see the future but He can also manipulate it; so He was
    well aware even before Gen 1:1 that the people He was about to create were
    destined from day-one for a global deluge.

    Also, when God inspected His handiwork at Gen 1:31, He evaluated it not
    just good, but "very" good. So as far as He was concerned; everything was
    going smoothly and according to plan-- nothing was broken, no parts were
    missing, and nothing was maladjusted.

    Gen 6:6 . . And the Lord regretted that He had made man upon the
    earth, and He became grieved in His heart.

    I seriously doubt that the regret and grief that God felt was somehow related
    to His thinking that creating human life was a big mistake. It's difficult to
    discern from the language and grammar of the text; but it's far more likely
    that the regret God felt in Gen 6:6 was directly related to what He was about
    to do next: the destruction of a major portion of the life that He himself put
    on earth.

    In other words; the destruction of life is not something God enjoys as if He
    were an outdoor guy who kills fish and wildlife for sport with no more
    sensitivity than a kid blasting aliens in a video game. Man's creator knew the
    day was coming when He would have to do what He was about to do next,
    and clearly wasn't looking forward to it.

    But to be quite forthright; it seems insane to me that God would go forward
    with plans to create life on earth knowing in advance that He would one day
    be destroying so much of it. Where's the logic in that? I just don't get it; but
    then, no surprise there.

    The human mind is produced by a three-pound lump of flabby organic
    tissue, and not even all three of those pounds are utilized for cognitive
    processes; 60% of the human brain's mass is fat. All considered: the human
    mind is practically that of an insect in comparison to the mind of the
    inventor who created human life.

    Gen 6:7 . . And the Lord said: I will blot out man, whom I created,
    from upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping
    thing, to the fowl of the heavens, for I regret that I made them.

    The destruction of earth's birds and beasts was unavoidable; they became
    collateral damage in God's war against the sinful antediluvians.

    The Hebrew word for "blot" is from machah (maw-khaw') which means: to
    stroke or rub; by implication, to erase; also to smooth (as if with oil), i.e.
    grease or make fat; also to touch, i.e. reach to.

    God intended to not only remove the antediluvians from the face of the
    earth, but also to scrub off all of their works too so that when He was done,
    it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to even be able to tell the
    antediluvians were ever here at all.

    It's always been a mystery to me why paleo-anthropologists have managed
    to find so few fossilized remains of pre-historic human beings.

    In 1992, Tim White of the University of California at Berkeley, discovered the
    fossilized skeletons of human-like creatures in Ethiopia's Afar Rift who lived
    4.4 million years ago but those are not the remains of h.sapiens; but rather,
    of beasts that resemble h.sapiens. To my knowledge; no truly human
    remains have been found from that era.

    While mysterious; that lack of remains isn't exclusive. Take for instance the
    Passenger Pigeon. That bird at one time numbered an estimated four to five
    billion individuals; which is a number equal in quantity to the current year
    round population of all North American birds combined. Yet an archeological
    search for the pigeon's bones left behind by people who ate the bird for
    food, through all pre-Columbian times, has thus far yielded very few
    remains; at only two sites.

    But my point is: where are the remains of the antediluvians? They're gone;
    lock, stock, and barrel-- no metal implements from Tubal-Cain's blacksmith
    shop, no musical instruments from Jubal's work shop, no dwellings, no
    footprints, no bones, no pottery, no cave art, not even any geological
    evidence of a world-wide deluge: nothing. It's like they were never here.

    God moved against the antediluvians like a relentless newspaper editor
    deleting superfluous words and sentences so skillfully that the reader cannot
    even tell those superfluous words and sentences ever existed in the original

    Why would God do that? I would hazard to guess that His purpose in doing
    so was to prevent people from believing too easily that the Flood actually

    The funny thing about the Bible is that portions of it are just as effective at
    driving people away from God as they are at attracting them. No doubt it is
    God's wishes that everybody believe the Bible; but at the same time it
    seems He's thwarted His own wishes by taking steps to ensure that a
    substantial number of people don't. For example:

    "Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: You have seen all that The
    Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh and all his
    servants and all his land; the great trials which your eyes have seen, those
    great signs and wonders. Yet to this day The Lord has not given you a heart
    to know, nor eyes to see, nor ears to hear." (Deut 29:2-4)

    "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father
    except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." (Matt

    "A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are
    foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are
    spiritually discerned." (1Cor 2:14)


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