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    Hello; and welcome to the very first book of the Bible.

    I'm attempting a systematic, home-spun journey thru Genesis; practically
    verse by verse from the creation of the cosmos to Joseph's burial in Egypt.

    As of today's date, I'm 73 years old; and an on-going student of the Bible
    since 1968 via sermons, seminars, lectures, Sunday school classes, radio
    Bible programs, and various authors of a number of Bible-related books.
    Forty-nine years of Bible under my belt hasn't made me an authority; but
    they've at least made me competent enough to summit Genesis.

    Barring emergencies, accidents, vacations, unforeseen circumstances,
    and/or insurmountable distractions, database errors, difficulties, computer
    crashes, black outs, brown outs, deaths in the family, Wall Street
    Armageddon, thread hijackers, excessive quarrelling and debating, the dog
    ate my homework, Executive Orders, visiting relatives, brute force, ISIS,
    Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Carrington events, gasoline prices, medical
    issues, and/or hard luck and the forces of nature; I'm making an effort to
    post something new every day including Sundays and holidays.

    Some really good stuff is in Genesis: the origin of the cosmos, the origin of
    human life, Adam and Eve, the origin of marriage, the Devil, the first lie, the
    first transgression, the origin of human death, the origin of clothing, the first
    baby, Cain and Abel, the first murder, the Flood, the tower of Babel, and the
    origin of Yhvh's people.

    Big-name celebrities like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Ishmael,
    Rebecca, Jacob and Esau, and Joseph are here too.

    Not here are Moses vs. Pharaoh and the parting of the Red Sea. That story is
    in Exodus; Samson and Delilah are in Judges, David and Goliath are in
    1Samuel; and Ruth and Esther are in books of the Bible named after them.

    Buen Camino

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    Genesis 1:1


    The author of Genesis is currently unknown; but commonly attributed to
    Moses. Seeing as he penned Exodus (Mark 12:26) it's conceivable that
    Moses also penned Genesis; but in reality, nobody really knows.

    Scholars have estimated the date of its writing at around 1450-1410 BC;
    which is pretty recent in the grand scheme of Earth's geological history-- a
    mere 3,400 years ago.

    Genesis may in fact be the result of several contributors beginning as far
    back as Adam himself; who would certainly know more about the creation
    than anybody, and who entertained no doubts whatsoever about the
    existence of an intelligent designer since he knew the Creator himself like a
    next door neighbor.

    That would explain why the book begins with an in-your-face theological
    account of the origin of the cosmos, rather than waste words with an
    apologetic argument to convince agnostics that a supreme being exists. I
    mean: if the complexity of the cosmos-- its extent, its objects, and all of its
    forms of life, matter, and energy --isn't enough to convince the agnostic;
    then the agnostic is pretty much beyond reach.

    As time went by, others like Seth and Noah would add their own experiences
    to the record, and then Abraham his, Isaac his, Jacob his, and finally Judah
    or one of his descendants completing the record with Joseph's burial.

    Genesis is quoted more than sixty times in the New Testament; and Christ
    himself authenticated its Divine inspiration by referring to it in his own
    teachings. (e.g. Matt 19:4-6, Matt 24:37-39, Mk 10:4-9, Luke 11:49-51,
    Luke 17:26-29 & 32, John 7:21-23, John 8:44 and John 8:56)

    Gen 1:1a . . In the beginning God

    The word for "God" is from the Hebrew 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). It's a plural
    noun and means, ordinarily: gods. 'Elohiym isn't really the creator's personal
    moniker, rather, a nondescript designation that pertains to all sorts of gods,
    along with, and including, the supreme one.

    The "beginning" is mentioned again at 1John 1:1 which I believe safe to
    assume compliments John 1:1-2

    Gen 1:1b . . created the heaven and earth--

    The word for "heaven" is from the Hebrew word shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim)
    and means: to be lofty; i.e. the sky; perhaps alluding to the visible arch in
    which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial
    bodies reside, i.e. the universe.

    So the word "heaven" is ambiguous and can mean the breathable air in our
    planet's atmosphere as well as the stratosphere and the vast celestial
    regions of space.

    The Hebrew word for "earth" is 'erets (eh'-rets) which is yet another of the
    Bible's many ambiguous words. It can indicate dry land, a country, and/or
    the whole planet.

    Anyway; Genesis 1:1 merely reveals the origin of the cosmos without going
    into detail. It's a "Once upon a time" sort of statement with a story to follow.

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    Genesis 1:2-4


    Gen 1:2a . . the earth being unformed and void

    That statement reveals the earth's condition prior to the creation of an
    energy that would make it possible for its particles to coalesce into
    something coherent.

    Curiously, scientists have not yet been able to figure out what gives particles
    their mass. In point of fact, the multi-billion-dollar Large Hadron Collider was
    constructed for the specific purpose of finding a special particle called the
    Higgs Boson (a.k.a. the God particle) because it's believed that the Higgs
    particle "creates" a field that somehow grants other particles their mass.

    Gen 1:2b . . and darkness was over the surface of the deep

    This particular "deep" I believe can be safely assumed to be the void; viz:
    the seemingly infinite space housing the known universe.

    Gen 1:2c . . and Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

    The "waters" at this point in the earth's history probably weren't the liquid
    commonly known as H2O. It's just a "place-holder" name; viz: a convenient
    label for the colossal soup of freshly created particles that would eventually
    be utilized to construct the universe's physical properties.

    The Spirit's job, therefore, was as a sort of cattle wrangler circling the herd
    and keeping all the various particles together so they didn't drift away and
    get lost because as yet there were no forces at work keeping things
    together.

    Gen 1:3 . . Then God said "Let there be light" and there was light.

    The creation of light was a very, very intricate process. First God had to
    create particulate matter, and along with those particles their specific
    properties, including mass. Then He had to invent the laws of nature to
    govern how matter behaves in combination with and/or in the presence of,
    other kinds of matter in order to generate electromagnetic radiation.

    Light's properties are a bit curious. It exists as waves in a variety of lengths
    and frequencies, and also as theoretical particles called photons. And though
    light has no detectable mass; it's influenced by gravity. Light is also quite
    invisible. For example: you can see the Sun when you look at it, and you can
    see the Moon when sunlight reflects from its surface. But none of the Sun's
    light is visible in the void between them and that's because light isn't
    matter; it's energy.

    The same laws that make it possible for matter to generate electromagnetic
    radiation also make other conditions possible too; e.g. fire, wind, water, ice,
    soil, rain, life, centrifugal force, thermodynamics, fusion, dark energy,
    gravity, atoms, organic molecules, magnetism, color, radiation, refraction,
    reflection, high energy X-rays and gamma rays, temperature, pressure,
    force, inertia, sound, friction, and electricity; et al. So the creation of light
    was a pretty big deal; yet Genesis scarcely gives its origin passing mention.

    2Cor 4:6 verifies that light wasn't introduced into the cosmos from outside in
    order to dispel the darkness and brighten things up a bit; but rather, it
    radiated out of the cosmos from inside-- from itself --indicating that the
    cosmos was created to be self-illuminating by means of the various
    interactions of the matter that God made for it; including, but not limited to,
    the Higgs Boson.

    You know it's curious to me that most people have no trouble readily
    conceding that everything else in the first chapter of Genesis is natural, e.g.
    the cosmos, the earth, water, sky, dry land, the Sun, the Moon, the stars,
    aqua life, winged life, terra life, flora life, and human life.

    But when it comes to light they choke; finding it impossible within
    themselves to believe that Genesis just might be consistent in its description
    of the creative process. I mean, if all those other things are natural, why
    wouldn't light be natural too? In point of fact, without natural light, planet
    Earth would become a cold dead world right quick.


    NOTE: The interesting thing about the laws of nature is that they're not
    absolute laws. No; they are created laws-- created as a companion to the
    created cosmos to regulate how the cosmos, with all of its forms of life,
    matter, and energy, behaves. Seeing as how God designed and created
    those laws, then He knows the secrets to manipulating them in order to
    make things in our world behave quite contrary to common sense.

    Take for example the floating axe head in 2Kgs 6:5-6. Solid chunks of iron
    don't float. That's unnatural. Another example is the fire-proof bush of Ex
    3:2. A bush that's impervious to fire is unnatural. It should have flared up
    and Moses knew it too but it didn't because God can easily modify the
    natural behavior of everything He ever created.

    Gen 1:4a . . And God saw the light, that it was good

    God declared that light is good; but He didn't declare that darkness is good.
    In point of fact, darkness typically represents bad things in the Bible; while
    light typically represents good things. It's been an axiom from the very
    beginning.

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    Genesis 1:4b-5


    Gen 1:4b-5a . . and God separated the light from the darkness. God
    called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.


    Day and Night simply label two distinct physical conditions-- the absence of
    light, and/or the absence of darkness. Labeling those physical conditions
    may seem like a superfluous detail, but when analyzing crucifixion week in
    the New Testament, it's essential to keep those physical conditions separate
    in regards to Christ's burial and resurrection if one is to have any hope of
    deducing the correct chronology of Easter week.

    Anyplace there's light, there is no true darkness because light always dispels
    darkness. However, darkness is powerless to dispel light. In other words;
    science and industry have given the world a flashlight; but they have yet to
    give the world a flashdark. Man can produce artificial lighting, but he can't
    produce artificial darkness. Anyway, point being; light is the superior of the
    two and rules the dark; for example:

    "And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend
    it." (John 1:5)

    The koiné Greek word for "comprehend" is katalambano (kat-al-am-ban'-o)
    which basically means to take, seize, or possess eagerly. At 1Thess 5:4 it's
    translated overtake (as a thief, in a sudden and/or unexpected way). At
    Mark 9:18 it's translated seizure (as in demon possession).

    The idea is: darkness is powerless to stop light from dominating it. Even a
    little kid with a candle can conquer darkness; because light, even the light
    from a candle, is impervious to darkness, and darkness has no way to fight
    it off and/or beat it back. However, where there is no light, then darkness
    definitely has the advantage.

    Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first
    Day.


    In accordance with a normal, strict chronological sequence; evening and
    morning would indicate overnight; viz: a day of creation would take place
    entirely in the dark; which fails to comply with the definitions of Day given at
    Gen 1:4-5a and Gen 1:14-18

    Seeing as how it says evening "and" morning instead of evening to morning,
    then we're not really looking at a chronological sequence but merely the
    Am/Pm portions of daytime because evening and morning is all the same as
    morning and evening.

    In other words: morning represents the hours of daylight between sunup
    and high noon, while evening represents the hours of daylight between high
    noon and sunset; viz: afternoon.

    Just exactly how long were the days of creation? Well; according to Gen
    1:24-31, God created humans and all land animals on the sixth day; which
    has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God create land
    animals but the sixth.

    However; the fossil record, in combination with scientific dating methods,
    has thus far easily proven that dinosaurs preceded human life by several
    million years. So then, in my estimation, the days of creation should be
    taken to represent epochs of indeterminable length rather than 24-hour
    calendar days. That's not an unreasonable estimation; e.g.

    "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
    created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

    The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
    same word for each of the six days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
    Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
    calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six days of creation
    were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
    and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

    So then, why can't some people accept an epochal explanation? Why are
    they so insistent upon 24-hour calendar days? Because they're hung up on
    the expression "evening and morning".

    The interesting thing is: there were no physical evenings and mornings till
    the fourth day when the sun was created and brought on line. So I suggest
    that the expression "evening and morning" is simply a convenient way to
    indicate the simultaneous wrap of one epoch and the beginning of another.

    Anyway; this "day" thing has been a chronic problem for just about
    everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the days
    of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so people end up stumped
    when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age of the
    earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
    Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

    NOTE: Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than
    enemies-- two different languages telling the same story. In other words:
    science and religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that
    religion doesn't answer, and religion answers questions that science cannot
    answer; viz: science and religion are not really enemies; no, to the contrary,
    science and religion assist each other in their respective quests to get to the
    bottom of some of the cosmos' greatest mysteries.

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    Genesis 1:6-10


    Gen 1:6a . . God said: Let there be an expanse

    The word for "expanse" is from raqiya' (raw-kee'-ah) and means: a great
    extent of something spread out, a firmament, the visible arch of the sky.

    Raqiya' is distinct from shamyim in that it indicates the earth's atmosphere;
    which is sort of sandwiched between the surface and the vacuum of space.

    Gen 1:6b-8 . . in the midst of the water, that it may separate water
    from water. God made the expanse, and it separated the water
    which was below the expanse from the water which was above the
    expanse. And it was so. And God named the expanse Sky.


    At this point in time, I think we can safely assume that "water" is no longer
    a place-card name for the colossal soup of particles God created in Gen 1:2
    but the molecular combination commonly known as H2O.

    We can easily guess what is meant by water that's below the sky. But is
    there really water that's above it? Yes, and it's a lot! According to an article
    in the Sept 2013 issue of National Geographic magazine, Earth's atmosphere
    holds roughly 3,095 cubic miles of water in the form of vapor. That may
    seem like a preposterous number of cubic miles of water; but not really
    when it's considered that Lake Superior's volume alone is estimated at
    nearly 3,000.

    Our home planet is really big; a whole lot bigger than people sometimes
    realize. It's surface area, in square miles, is 196,940,000. To give an idea of
    just how many square miles that is: if somebody were to wrap a belt around
    the equator made of one-mile squares; it would only take 24,902 squares to
    complete the distance; which is a mere .00012644 the surface area.

    Some of the more familiar global warming gases are carbon dioxide,
    fluorocarbons, methane, and ozone. But as popular as those gases are with
    the media, they're bit players in comparison to the role that ordinary water
    vapor plays in global warming. By some estimates; atmospheric water vapor
    accounts for more than 90% of global warming; which is not a bad thing
    because without atmospheric water vapor, the earth would be so cold that
    the only life that could exist here would be extremophiles.

    How much water is below the expanse. Well; according to the same article;
    the amount contained in swamp water, lakes and rivers, ground water, and
    oceans, seas, and bays adds up to something like 326.6 million cubic miles;
    and that's not counting the 5.85 million cubic miles tied up in living
    organisms, soil moisture, ground ice and permafrost, ice sheets, glaciers,
    and permanent snow.

    To put that in perspective: a tower 326.6 million miles high would exceed
    the Sun's distance better than 3½ times.

    Gen 1:8b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a
    second day.


    Gen 1:9 . . God said: Let the waters below the sky be gathered into
    one area, that dry ground may appear. And it was so.


    Shaping the earth's mantle in order to form low spots for the seas and high
    spots for dry ground was a colossal feat of magma convection and volcanism
    combined with the titanic forces of tectonic plate subduction; all of which
    require beaucoup centuries to accomplish.

    At the ocean's deepest surveyed point-- the Challenger Deep; located in the
    Mariana Islands group, at the southern end of the Mariana Trench --the
    water's depth is over 11,000 meters; which is about 6.8 statute miles
    (36,000 feet). That depth corresponds to the cruising altitude of a Boeing
    747. At that altitude, probably about all you're going to see of the airliner
    without straining your eyes is its contrail.

    Africa's Mt Kilimanjaro is the tallest free-standing mountain on earth at
    19,341 feet above its land base. If Kilimanjaro were placed in the Challenger
    Deep, it would have about 16,659 feet of water over its peak. Were the
    tallest point of the Himalayan range-- Mt Everest --to be submerged in the
    Challenger Deep, it would have about 7,000 feet of water over its peak.

    The discovery of fossilized sea lilies near the summit of Mt Everest proves
    that the Himalayan land mass has not always been mountainous; but at one
    time was the floor of an ancient sea bed. This is confirmed by the "yellow
    band" below Everest's summit consisting of limestone: a type of rock made
    from calcite sediments containing the skeletal remains of countless trillions
    of organisms who lived, not on dry land, but in an ocean.

    "He established the Earth on its foundations, so that it shall never totter.
    You made the deep cover it as a garment; the waters stood above the
    mountains. They fled at your blast, rushed away at the sound of your
    thunder-- mountains rising, valleys sinking to the place you established for
    them. You set bounds they must not pass so that they never again cover the
    Earth." (Ps 104:5-9)

    Psalm 104 is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. It says that the
    land masses we know today as mountains were at one time submerged; and
    it isn't talking about Noah's flood. The speech of "mountains rising, and
    valleys sinking" isn't Flood-speak, no, it's geology-speak.

    I seriously doubt that the Psalmist knew about the science of tectonic plates,
    magma pressure, and the forces of subduction, but he was clearly somehow
    aware that the Earth's crust is malleable. And that's true. With just the right
    combination of temperature and pressure, solid rock can be made to bend;
    even forced to hairpin back upon itself like taffy.

    Gen 1:10 . . God called the dry ground Land, and the gathering of
    waters He called Seas. And God saw that this was good.


    "good" meaning not that the dry ground and seas are morally acceptable,
    but rather, perfectly suitable for the purposes that God had in mind for
    them.

    NOTE: There are Hebrew words in the Bible for marshes, impoundments,
    rivers, and streams; but I've yet to encounter one for natural lakes and
    ponds. In other words "seas" suffices not only for oceans; but also for all the
    smaller accumulations of naturally occurring water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    -Genesis 1:1
    The author of Genesis is currently unknown;
    While I wasn't learned how to read the Bible like some of the more educated Bible readers but according to Prof. Unoi Amarah, Dean of Metaphysics- Univ. of Divine Prov. who recently wrote an interesting Metaphysical Synthesis on the author of Genesis, entitled "I am Pharaoh" which included the methodology on how the spoken word evolved from nonverbal drawings and symbols into the written word. I recall he marked the exam on this subject with John 8:55 or John 14:26, but he wouldn't tell anyone which one meant they passed his exam or which one meant they didn't, I guess he left it up to our teacher.
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    Genesis 1:11-13


    Gen 1:11a . . Then God said: Let the land produce vegetation

    This is the very first mention of life on earth; and what's interesting about it
    is that life on earth wasn't created from nothing, rather, by means of
    ingredients taken from the earth itself; e.g. aqua life and winged life were
    made from water and terra life was made from land.

    Gen 1:11b-12 . . seed-bearing plants, fruit trees of every kind on
    earth that bear fruit with the seed in it. And it was so. The earth
    brought forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants of every kind, and
    trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw
    that this was good.


    According to Gen 2:4-5, the land's plant life was dormant in the beginning; it
    didn't actually flourish until the atmosphere began producing precipitation.

    NOTE: It's believed by science that there was an era in Earth's youth called
    the Carboniferous period when it was blanketed by dense jungles and
    forests. As those plants and trees died, and were buried beneath layers of
    sediment; their unique chemical structure caused them to be "cooked" into
    solid coal; and there is really a lot of it.

    Why isn't the Earth currently blanketed by dense jungles and forests? Well;
    the earth's conditions today cannot produce enough humidity, nor enough
    rain, nor enough global warming to sustain the kinds of heavy vegetation
    that once existed in the Carboniferous era. In other words: the earth, over
    time, has managed to give itself a remarkable make-over; and at least one
    element of its make-over are the mountains.

    The ranges now in existence; e.g. the Andes, the Himalayas, the Rockies,
    the Urals, the Appalachians, the Cascades, the Brooks Range, the Alps, etc;
    and the various minor inland and coastal ranges didn't always exist. Those
    were shoved up over time by the forces of tectonic subduction, volcanism,
    and magma pressure. Even Yosemite's massive granite monoliths haven't
    always been there. They were formed deep underground and then somehow
    shoved up to where they are now.

    Anyway, point being; those ranges have a very great deal to do with the
    earth's current weather systems.

    Gen 1:13 . . And there was evening and there was morning, a third
    day.


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    Metaphysical Synthesis
    Well; my Genesis comments are far more practical than metaphysical so I
    hope you're not too put off by their lack of sophistication because I think
    you'll find some of my material to be at least entertaining if not
    enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    The author of Genesis is currently unknown; but commonly attributed to
    Moses. Seeing as he penned Exodus (Mark 12:26) it's conceivable that
    Moses also penned Genesis; but in reality, nobody really knows.
    You got a lot to learn, kid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    You got a lot to learn, kid.


    Looks like the man in the video has much to learn. The whole bible was written by God as his interpretation(the finger of God) . One author of the scriptures who was their witnessing what he he made. Declaring what is good as light by that made.

    Moses was not the editor of Genesis in respect to the heresies (private interpretations of men .It would seem to be the teaching of the anti-christ another gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    You got a lot to learn, kid.

    The generation of Adam typifies the generation (beginning or Genesis of natural unconverted man.

    The generation of Christ, the new born again creature that are given a new spirit that will never die. They are not subject to this generation called the evil generation. God created both the new (unseen eternal and the one we walk in the temporal .

    You could say two Genesis‘s as beginnings.

    Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    The light at the end of the tunnel is not the Orange Blossum Special but the new creation we walk by faith the unseen. The old evil generation, the generation of men will not be remembered or ever come to mind as it goes up in smoke forever and ever,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garee View Post
    Looks like the man in the video has much to learn. The whole bible was written by God as his interpretation(the finger of God) . One author of the scriptures who was their witnessing what he he made. Declaring what is good as light by that made.

    Moses was not the editor of Genesis in respect to the heresies (private interpretations of men .It would seem to be the teaching of the anti-christ another gospel.
    Quote Originally Posted by garee View Post
    The generation of Adam typifies the generation (beginning or Genesis of natural unconverted man.

    The generation of Christ, the new born again creature that are given a new spirit that will never die. They are not subject to this generation called the evil generation. God created both the new (unseen eternal and the one we walk in the temporal .

    You could say two Genesis‘s as beginnings.

    Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    The light at the end of the tunnel is not the Orange Blossum Special but the new creation we walk by faith the unseen. The old evil generation, the generation of men will not be remembered or ever come to mind as it goes up in smoke forever and ever,.
    I don't know who you are, but I have no doubt that Kent Hovind is a profoundly
    more reliable source for information concerning Scriptural exposition than you are.
    He can also get his thoughts into coherent paragraphs,
    a task which you are evidently unable to accomplish.

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    Genesis 1:14


    Gen 1:14a . . God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky

    On the fourth day, God spent time up in celestial regions. It might seem odd
    that He began work on the surface of the Earth, and then before finishing,
    stopped short and moved off into space. Why not finish building down here
    on the planet first?

    Many types of plants and animals need sunlight if they're to be strong and
    healthy. At this point in the creation, planet Earth was very dark and
    freezing cold. For example: the dark side of the Moon gets down to like 279º
    below zero; so it was time to turn the earth into a greenhouse.

    A major player in the earth's water cycle is evaporation, which is driven by
    the Sun. By means of evaporation, the earth's atmosphere gets enough
    water vapor to form the clouds that produce precipitation.

    The Sun also plays a role in temperature variations that make conditions like
    humidity and fog possible. Temperature variations also play a role in the
    process of erosion; which assists in soil formation.

    Many varieties of vegetation depend upon the annual cycle of the four
    seasons of Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter; seasons which would not
    be possible without the Sun.

    Oxygen is a must gas for sustaining life on earth and a very large
    percentage of it is produced by photosynthesis which is a chemical process
    that works best in sunlight. No doubt the original atmosphere contained
    oxygen enough, but would eventually be absorbed by oxidation and other
    kinds of chemical activity. Plant life plays a major role in both filtration and
    replenishment; hence the need to get a Sun shining as soon as possible.

    The atmosphere contains about 19.5 to 23.5 percent oxygen at any given
    time and even with all the fossil fuel burned around the world, along with the
    destruction of savannas, prairies, woodlands, wetlands, and rain forests,
    coupled with volcanic activity; the percentage remain fairly stable.

    We today are aware that the Moon doesn't generate its own light; but prior
    to that discovery, people no doubt regarded the Moon as a sun; especially
    seeing as how from the perspective of Earth, the Sun and the Moon appear
    to be exactly the same size in diameter, and both appear to circle the Earth.

    Gen 1:14b . . to distinguish Day from Night;

    On the first day; God defined Day as a condition of light; and defined Night
    as a condition of darkness. Here, it's further defined that Day, as pertains to
    life on Earth, is when the Sun is up; and Night is when the Sun is down.

    These definitions occur so early in the Bible that they easily escape the
    memories of Bible students as they slip into the reflexive habit of always
    thinking of Days as periods of one earth rotation of 24 hours. That's okay for
    calendars but can lead to gross misunderstandings when interpreting biblical
    schedules, predictions, and/or chronologies.

    Gen 1:14c . . they shall serve as signs for the set times-- the days
    and the years;


    The word for "signs" is from 'owth (oth) and means a signal; viz: indicators.
    For example: the mark that God put on Cain was an 'owth. (Gen 4:15)

    The Sun and the Moon are very useful time keepers. The Sun of course
    marks off days and years; and if you were to tell somebody your intention to
    visit them in five Moons, they would have a pretty good idea when to get
    ready for your arrival; so long as you both used a common definition of
    "moon". To some, a moon is new moon, while for others a moon indicates
    full moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    I don't know who you are, but I have no doubt that Kent Hovind is a profoundly
    more reliable source for information concerning Scriptural exposition than you are.
    He can also get his thoughts into coherent paragraphs,
    a task which you are evidently unable to accomplish.
    I love his teaching and debate on creation.

    I still watch him from time to time.

    Somehow,in prison he turned post trib rapture adherent.

    I would love to debate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    Genesis 1:1


    The author of Genesis is currently unknown; but commonly attributed to
    Moses. Seeing as he penned Exodus (Mark 12:26) it's conceivable that
    Moses also penned Genesis; but in reality, nobody really knows.

    Scholars have estimated the date of its writing at around 1450-1410 BC;
    which is pretty recent in the grand scheme of Earth's geological history-- a
    mere 3,400 years ago.

    Genesis may in fact be the result of several contributors beginning as far
    back as Adam himself; who would certainly know more about the creation
    than anybody, and who entertained no doubts whatsoever about the
    existence of an intelligent designer since he knew the Creator himself like a
    next door neighbor.

    That would explain why the book begins with an in-your-face theological
    account of the origin of the cosmos, rather than waste words with an
    apologetic argument to convince agnostics that a supreme being exists. I
    mean: if the complexity of the cosmos-- its extent, its objects, and all of its
    forms of life, matter, and energy --isn't enough to convince the agnostic;
    then the agnostic is pretty much beyond reach.

    As time went by, others like Seth and Noah would add their own experiences
    to the record, and then Abraham his, Isaac his, Jacob his, and finally Judah
    or one of his descendants completing the record with Joseph's burial.

    Genesis is quoted more than sixty times in the New Testament; and Christ
    himself authenticated its Divine inspiration by referring to it in his own
    teachings. (e.g. Matt 19:4-6, Matt 24:37-39, Mk 10:4-9, Luke 11:49-51,
    Luke 17:26-29 & 32, John 7:21-23, John 8:44 and John 8:56)

    Gen 1:1a . . In the beginning God

    The word for "God" is from the Hebrew 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). It's a plural
    noun and means, ordinarily: gods. 'Elohiym isn't really the creator's personal
    moniker, rather, a nondescript designation that pertains to all sorts of gods,
    along with, and including, the supreme one.

    The "beginning" is mentioned again at 1John 1:1 which I believe safe to
    assume compliments John 1:1-2

    Gen 1:1b . . created the heaven and earth--

    The word for "heaven" is from the Hebrew word shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim)
    and means: to be lofty; i.e. the sky; perhaps alluding to the visible arch in
    which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial
    bodies reside, i.e. the universe.

    So the word "heaven" is ambiguous and can mean the breathable air in our
    planet's atmosphere as well as the stratosphere and the vast celestial
    regions of space.

    The Hebrew word for "earth" is 'erets (eh'-rets) which is yet another of the
    Bible's many ambiguous words. It can indicate dry land, a country, and/or
    the whole planet.

    Anyway; Genesis 1:1 merely reveals the origin of the cosmos without going
    into detail. It's a "Once upon a time" sort of statement with a story to follow.

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    Your statement : "The author of Genesis is currently unknown; but commonly attributed to
    Moses. Seeing as he penned Exodus (Mark 12:26) it's conceivable that
    Moses also penned Genesis; but in reality, nobody really knows."


    Have you not listen to Jesus in John 5:45-47? If that does not convince you, look to Mark 12:26 where Jesus tells us about the Book of Moses.....To add a little more, everybody back then knew that the Book of Moses was the 1st Five Books of the Bible.

    Having said that, it is apparent that you do not believe what Jesus said or have been steered in the wrong direction by false teachers and now you are sending this false informatidown the line.

    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartofdavid View Post
    Somehow,in prison [Kent Hovind] turned post trib rapture adherent.
    I was unaware of that.
    Glad to hear he came around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    .......look to Mark 12:26 where Jesus tells us about the Book of Moses.....To add a little more, everybody back then knew that the Book of Moses was the 1st Five Books of the Bible.
    Moses did not write Genesis.
    He probably compiled it, but he was not the author.
    If you want to learn the truth on the matter, watch the Kent Hovind video above.
    If you want to continue believing the lie that Moses was the author of Genesis, don't watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    Moses did not write Genesis.
    And how would you know? It is definitely NOT a compilation but a continuous narrative. The higher critics (who are essentially determined to undermine Scripture) make all kinds of wild claims about who wrote the Torah, but they are the least reliable people on earth.

    “The eighth fundamental principle [of faith] is that the Torah came from God,” wrote Maimonides over 800 years ago in his classic exposition of the 13 tenets of Jewish belief. “We are to believe that the whole Torah was given us through Moses our teacher entirely from God.” In the next principle, he elaborated: “The ninth fundamental principle is the authenticity of the Torah, i.e., that this Torah was precisely transcribed from God and no one else.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    It is definitely NOT a compilation but a continuous narrative.
    I strongly disagree.
    Compare Genesis 2:3 (God) with 2:4 (LORD God).
    Seriously, watch the video.
    It's less than seven minutes and could profoundly enlighten you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    Moses did not write Genesis.
    He probably compiled it, but he was not the author.
    If you want to learn the truth on the matter, watch the Kent Hovind video above.
    If you want to continue believing the lie that Moses was the author of Genesis, don't watch.

    I am sorry but Kent Hovind has NO authority to speak for GOD...The Holy Bible does.....I think you need to read what it says instead of watching movies.
    preacher4truth likes this.
    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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