Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

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If a person is not walking in the Spirit by faith alone then they are lost.
 
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If we are in Christ then we are all guilty of righteousness. Are we not?
 

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Alright can I also say the born again believer is not being convicted of sin because they are no longer guilty under the wraith of the law of Moses?
The New covenant of Jeremiah 31 That God made with Israel says that the Law of God will be written on believers' hearts.
Hebrews chapter 8 says that the Jeremiah 31 covenant applies to the Church because of the adoption of Rom Chapter 8.
The Holy Spirit need not convict a believer of sin because God's Law, written on our hearts , makes us very much aware of it.
 
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Being aware of sin, knowing we sinned, experiencing remorse about sinning, regretting sinning........ is not being "convicted" of sin.
 
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Amen. This post really helped me out. Thank you.
 

preacher4truth

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The Holy Spirit need not convict a believer of sin because God's Law, written on our hearts , makes us very much aware of it.
...which would be how we are convicted of sin via the Spirit, through the Word. Note Hebrews 4:12.
 
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David was as born again as you or I. All OT saints were saved in the same manner, thus the rebuke of Nicodemus by Christ for his ignorance of this fact.

Of course all of our sins are under the blood, but this doesn't negate the sensitivity of the Spirit when we do sin, and our subsequent guilt or conviction for that sin. If any believer says they have never felt this, then there is a problem.
I was not addressing David's birth spiritually as I have stated numerous time that all saints (saved) both O.T. and N.T. are saved by faith dia grace....my question was....do you think that the condemnation of death under the law could have had a bearing upon David's conviction? Such as a convicted murderer the night before his sentence of death being carried out......? He had to know that under the law his punishment was death.
 
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I believe if you are going to be convicted for sin then you are going to have to be guilty of it before you are convicted of it.
 

preacher4truth

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I was not addressing David's birth spiritually as I have stated numerous time that all saints (saved) both O.T. and N.T. are saved by faith dia grace....my question was....do you think that the condemnation of death under the law could have had a bearing upon David's conviction? Such as a convicted murderer the night before his sentence of death being carried out......? He had to know that under the law his punishment was death.
David's conviction was from God, not merely remorse because of fear of punishment or even death.

We don't repent or feel guilt merely because we don't want to face the punishment (at the least we shouldn't) but because we have offended our God, as David rightly expressed in Psalm 51:4.

No believer goes around flippant about their sin because it is under the blood. God convicts us of our sins as he has for all his people throughout all times, immutably.

To pretend this doesn't take place is only pretense.

I cannot see how a child of God, being disciplined by God for sin, could never feel any conviction for that sin; Hebrews 12:6&c.

But then again maybe I'm not up to speed on the times. Each time I confess my sins, it is because, thankfully his Spirit and Word has exposed my sin.
 

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I believe if you are going to be convicted for sin then you are going to have to be guilty of it before you are convicted of it.
So you're never guilty of sinning? Please use the quote feature, it is difficult to tell to whom you are responding.
 
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So you're never guilty of sinning? Please use the quote feature, it is difficult to tell to whom you are responding.
I am not guilty of any of my sin anymore because I don't have a sin debt anymore. No license for sin of course.
 

preacher4truth

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I am not guilty of any of my sin anymore because I don't have a sin debt anymore. No license for sin of course.
So when you sin, you're not guilty for committing that sin? Wow, I've never heard of such a thing. Are you a hyper grace advocate?

Hmmm...wonder why we are to confess our sins; 1 John 1:9, which means to "say the same thing" or admit our guilt, and assent to such.

Oh, you're definitely guilty when you sin. Even as a believer. Especially as a believer.
 
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So when you sin, you're not guilty for committing that sin? Wow, I've never heard of such a thing. Are you a hyper grace advocate?

Hmmm...wonder why we are to confess our sins; 1 John 1:9, which means to "say the same thing" or admit our guilt, and assent to such.

Oh, you're definitely guilty when you sin. Even as a believer. Especially as a believer.
No I am not guilty of sin anymore because I am forgiven and I have been set free from the 1 John 1:9 merry go round. I establish there is only one spiritual baptism of the Holy Spirit that cleanses us from all sin and not 50 of them. You sir are making a false accusation towards a child of God when you say I am still guilty of sin. I am not guilty anymore when Christ has forgiven me. You have legalistic doctrine.
 

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I am not guilty of any of my sin anymore because I don't have a sin debt anymore. No license for sin of course.
James speaking to believers calls them sinners when they are sinning.


James 4:1-10
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask.


You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?


Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”?


But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
 
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James speaking to believers calls them sinners when they are sinning.


James 4:1-10
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask.


You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?


Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”?


But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.


Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.

I establish my flesh is no better than Charles Manson's flesh. I sin more than I can count but greater is he that lives in you than he that lives in the world. I am forgiven of all my sins and I am unreprovable in his sight.
 

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I have been set free from the 1 John 1:9 merry go round.
What you blaspheme as a merry go round was written to believers, not the lost. It is applicable to believers. You say that doesn't include you.

You have legalistic doctrine.
Incorrect, but you are in fact hyper grace and antinomian.
 
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What you blaspheme as a merry go round was written to believers, not the lost. It is applicable to believers. You say that doesn't include you.



Incorrect, but you are in fact hyper grace and antinomian.
It is also an abomination to accuse me when I am forgiven of all my sins. I am not blaspheming 1 John 1:9 because I know 1 John 1:9 is a one time cleansing once and for all. I am not a hyper dispensationalist because I do believe in water baptism, Lord's supper, and feet washing. Nor did I say in this post that we have a license to sin. I do believe in repentance but I also know Christ has not called the righteousness but sinners to repentance. I have been made righteous by faith alone in Christ and that means Christ is no longer calling me to repentance. You sir are in fact a legalist.
 

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Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
Since "sinless perfection" is a myth, the answer is "Of course". If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. So the Holy Spirit does convict sinning saints as much as He convicts unregenerate sinners. The truth that sin should not (and must not) have dominion over the saint is another issue and should not be brought up here.

As we go through the Bible we find repeated admonitions to Christians to walk in the Spirit and not after "the flesh", and also to give heed to the voice of the Holy Spirit and not harden their hearts. We also find examples of Christians who failed to repent and were judged, as well as those who did repent and were restored. No Christian should deceive himself or herself by pretending that they are sinless. And there is a particular admonition in Scripture that Christians must examine themselves before partaking of the Lord's Supper.
 
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Since "sinless perfection" is a myth, the answer is "Of course". If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. So the Holy Spirit does convict sinning saints as much as He convicts unregenerate sinners. The truth that sin should not (and must not) have dominion over the saint is another issue and should not be brought up here.

As we go through the Bible we find repeated admonitions to Christians to walk in the Spirit and not after "the flesh", and also to give heed to the voice of the Holy Spirit and not harden their hearts. We also find examples of Christians who failed to repent and were judged, as well as those who did repent and were restored. No Christian should deceive himself or herself by pretending that they are sinless. And there is a particular admonition in Scripture that Christians must examine themselves before partaking of the Lord's Supper.
The reason the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin is because of the sin of unbelief. Once a person is not in the sin of unbelief then they are not being convicted of sin anymore. To say God is still accusing the born again believer of their sin is false doctrine. Because the fact is the devil who is the accuser of the brethen is accusing the born again believer of their sin. God is not going to accuse a born again believer of their sin when he doesn't remember their sin and no longer counts their sin.
 

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It is also an abomination to accuse me when I am forgiven of all my sins. I am not blaspheming 1 John 1:9 because I know 1 John 1:9 is a one time cleansing once and for all.
You have no understanding of 1 John 1:9, thus your error.

It isn't speaking of a one time cleansing or salvation as you imply and rip it out of context. That you believe it is explains a lot as to your antinomian beliefs.

Go get some help understanding context, authorship, recipients, meaning &c, you're on an unsustainable path of error and Scripture wresting.

You sir are in fact a legalist.
...nor do you understand what legalism is as you base it off of misused texts and unsubstantiated and slanderous claims. :D