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Well that is not something I can take credit for, in my journey with God he showed me that self reflection is very important not in a judgmental way but in a learning kind of way. I have always felt that David who wrote good portion of the book of Psalms and I were kindred spirits and in his request to God Psalm 139:23-24

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Search me, God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
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See if there is any offensive way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.
My soul resonated with this prayer and I found myself asking him the same thing and boy did he answer but he also did more than that, he also taught me things like what I wrote in my post above about words.
This is an excellent prayer because the speaker is asking simply for a direct connection (speaker to creator) without any other such nonsense added. With such a prayer to resonate in your heart, if your search is equally devotional, this is exactly what Jesus told people to do; he used himself as the example you are to become if you so seek in the manner this prayer is suggesting. The animal sacrifice (your own innate animal nature) must thus precede "christ" in order for the process itself to occur.

Did you know you're DNA is over 98% chimpanzee? And what is the first thing a chimpanzee or similar learns? How to imitate what it sees. So imitation is an animal quality. If you imitate something, it's because it is in some way an "idol" to you. Idol worship was warned by Moses; this is why animal sacrifice is necessary; to eliminate such tendencies to imitate what you see and become your own being.
 
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Well... As much as I hate to throw a Bucket of cold water on the convo, the OP is really just new age "SELF-enlightenment" which really isn't "new" at all!

Boil away the subterfuge, and we have the original satanic lie. "You Too can be like God!!"

It is very well written, and like most good deceptions, has some truth in it. Remember, the enemy doesn't have to mess with the Truth too much to deceive the unsaved. You walk a mile directly from A to B, and only deviate from your straight line 1%, and you'll never reach B.


He says he's spiritually"unsure". So I'm glad he's here. Maybe he will repent and accept Jesus, GOD in the Flesh, His Sacrificial death, and subsequent resurrection, as the SOLE WAY, of Salvtion. Then come to realize that JESUS is the light of the world that shines out from His Temple, our bodies if we are in Him and He in us.


I am NOT ashamed of the Gospel, and with patience and love will deliver it to any, but there is only ONE Gospel unto Salvation!
 

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This is an excellent prayer because the speaker is asking simply for a direct connection (speaker to creator) without any other such nonsense added. With such a prayer to resonate in your heart, if your search is equally devotional, this is exactly what Jesus told people to do; he used himself as the example you are to become if you so seek in the manner this prayer is suggesting. The animal sacrifice (your own innate animal nature) must thus precede "christ" in order for the process itself to occur.

Did you know you're DNA is over 98% chimpanzee? And what is the first thing a chimpanzee or similar learns? How to imitate what it sees. So imitation is an animal quality. If you imitate something, it's because it is in some way an "idol" to you. Idol worship was warned by Moses; this is why animal sacrifice is necessary; to eliminate such tendencies to imitate what you see and become your own being.
I don't intend to become my own being, I imitate Jesus because I adore him but if anything he and I will become so close that it might as well be one being of one heart mind and soul but not my own. but self reflection and searching ones own heart is advice I think that is wise to practice no matter if one is saved or not, it's only by self reflection and searching our own hearts that we grow and mature the most as humans and people in general, which is why I make a habit to point the finger to myself before I point the finger to anyone else because often times we are see flaws and darkness in others while being completely blind to our own.
 

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True he never said he was God but he certainly implied it, I don't anything about being an authority Christian or anything but Jesus would often say your sins are forgiven and then the Pharisee who may have done so as an attack was not wrong in saying how only God can forgive sins
Can't get much clearer than THIS:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

NOW HERE IS JESUS CALLING HIMSELF GOD:


[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[SUP][b][/SUP] going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
 
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Well... As much as I hate to throw a Bucket of cold water on the convo, the OP is really just new age "SELF-enlightenment" which really isn't "new" at all!

I never claimed anything I put to be "new"; quite the contrary, what I am saying is the same thing that has been said over thousands of years; including the Mayans suggestion that what you perceive in this dimension is an "illusion", or temporary dance of energy whereupon you are the act itself.

Boil away the subterfuge, and we have the original satanic lie. "You Too can be like God!!"

See this is a literacy problem; on what grounds do you treat the serpent in Adam and Eve to be "Satan"? Because he used subtle suggestion to plant the idea in Eve's mind that "it is desirable for one to be wise"?

Look, proper comprehension of that story is the entire problem which is at the root of everything wrong with religion.

The serpent is a neutral actor; it merely planted the idea of "becoming like God" into the mind. What is wrong with "becoming like" God? He is not saying you are God, or you will become God, he said you will "become like" God; to know Good and Evil.

The only problem is; good and evil are your own making; thus, to eat from this tree becomes necessary in order for you to "become like" God and realize "why" not to eat from it in the first place. When you learn "why" not to eat from it; that's when you "become like God"; which is exactly why God said you must never eat from it - the moment you do, you're dead, which is the cycle of birth and death. The moment we *stop* eating from it, which God said you must never do, is the same thing as "becoming like" God; to know good and evil is just your own damn illusion and doesn't actually exist. If you become entangled with something you yourself created, you will eventually die to it. ending the cycle of birth and death is achieved only by understanding why not to eat from the tree; which is the same as the Eternal life Jesus spoke about. When Jesus was asked how to get back into the Kingdom of Heaven, he told his followers when you learn to completely strip down naked before God (like in the times of Adam prior to eating from the tree) it is only then will God accept you. Do you see how it works? It's like telling a child not to jump in the puddle because he/she doesn't know how deep it is. Of course they do it anyways and learn: don't jump in puddles, and they become better for it.

This is the frustration I have with dogma; your authorities are bending the story into something it is not. You may accuse me of bending the story myself, but let me ask you; why then did God create death? As a penalty for eating from the tree. What is death? It is liberation from what would otherwise be an eternal state of ignorance; believing there is a good/evil. The flaming sword was placed about the tree of life for this very reason; lest man live forever in his/her own state of personal ignorance regarding good/evil, they must enter the cycle of birth and death.


It is very well written, and like most good deceptions, has some truth in it. Remember, the enemy doesn't have to mess with the Truth too much to deceive the unsaved. You walk a mile directly from A to B, and only deviate from your straight line 1%, and you'll never reach B.

I'm not intending to deceive anyone; if anything, I am (gently) trying to suggest that the authorities are making you believe things which are not true.

He says he's spiritually"unsure". So I'm glad he's here. Maybe he will repent and accept Jesus, GOD in the Flesh, His Sacrificial death, and subsequent resurrection, as the SOLE WAY, of Salvtion. Then come to realize that JESUS is the light of the world that shines out from His Temple, our bodies if we are in Him and He in us.

See based on what Jesus actually taught, he was no more God than you or I. That's the whole basis of his teaching; that he and you were equal (mortal/human). The only difference he stated was he was "one with the Father", and he showed others how to become the same. The moment you think he is God in the flesh, that's your own authority exercising their authority over you.

Jesus proclaimed himself as light of "the world", but then he turned around and told YOU that YOUR body is a lamp and YOU are the light of "the world", which is what you perceive. So no, Jesus is not the light of the world you perceive, it is you; just as he described it. What you refer to as "salvation" is achieved with or without Christianity.


I am NOT ashamed of the Gospel, and with patience and love will deliver it to any, but there is only ONE Gospel unto Salvation!
I don't think anybody suggested a follower of the gospel be so; love is a human emotion, not a divine one (people are nowadays claiming God is love; much like how "peace" was exported to heaven by the Arabs) and the "gospel unto salvation" would be one who is no longer bound by any dogmas and they allow their minds to be empty; for the intellect only operates best when it is doing nothing - this is the basis for the 4th part of the mind (pure intelligence) to reach you; it must have clear path through your intellect, identity, and accumulated memory.
 
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I don't intend to become my own being, I imitate Jesus because I adore him but if anything he and I will become so close that it might as well be one being of one heart mind and soul but not my own. but self reflection and searching ones own heart is advice I think that is wise to practice no matter if one is saved or not, it's only by self reflection and searching our own hearts that we grow and mature the most as humans and people in general, which is why I make a habit to point the finger to myself before I point the finger to anyone else because often times we are see flaws and darkness in others while being completely blind to our own.
Amen; Jesus spoke the same way with his allusion to attacking the beam in another's eye without giving thought to the beam in your own. But when it comes to imitating; I think this is a very dangerous thing to do, because in order for "christ" to return, we must sacrifice our animal nature; and this includes the need/desire to "imitate" things we happen to like/love.
 
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Amen; Jesus spoke the same way with his allusion to attacking the beam in another's eye without giving thought to the beam in your own. But when it comes to imitating; I think this is a very dangerous thing to do, because in order for "christ" to return, he must sacrifice our animal nature; and this includes the need/desire to "imitate" things we happen to like/love.
You mean this fantasy you've got about being a wise person ?
 

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Amen; Jesus spoke the same way with his allusion to attacking the beam in another's eye without giving thought to the beam in your own. But when it comes to imitating; I think this is a very dangerous thing to do, because in order for "christ" to return, we must sacrifice our animal nature; and this includes the need/desire to "imitate" things we happen to like/love.
Imitating can be dangerous but that depends on what you imitate, to imitate Jesus is not dangerous to imitate a person who makes for example lots of reckless and rash decisions is in fact dangerous. Can I ask what your religious stance is? I mean no offense or anything but your views and your words are very mixed and I know you say your not Christian but then what are you exactly?
 

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This is an excellent prayer because the speaker is asking simply for a direct connection (speaker to creator) without any other such nonsense added. With such a prayer to resonate in your heart, if your search is equally devotional, this is exactly what Jesus told people to do; he used himself as the example you are to become if you so seek in the manner this prayer is suggesting. The animal sacrifice (your own innate animal nature) must thus precede "christ" in order for the process itself to occur.

Did you know you're DNA is over 98% chimpanzee? And what is the first thing a chimpanzee or similar learns? How to imitate what it sees. So imitation is an animal quality. If you imitate something, it's because it is in some way an "idol" to you. Idol worship was warned by Moses; this is why animal sacrifice is necessary; to eliminate such tendencies to imitate what you see and become your own being.
Self sacravice is a characteristic of the reborn not the action that causes salvation the the reborn does so. By faith in Christ, we get the credit for his actions and do likewise.

Animal sacrifices were a pre-Christ sacrifice, a substitute. The animals died for the Jews sin but were not a good enough sacrifice. Christ was the prefect sacrifice, He is absolutly rightious so his sacrifice took away absolutely all sin.

In some sections our DNA is similar to misqutos and chickens. DNA is just a blueprint for a flesh house, like regular blueprints they look similar but don't mean that houses evoleved from old log cabins.
 
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You mean this fantasy you've got about being a wise person ?
I am sorry you find what I say in some way offensive; but I never claimed to be wise. Because I happen to believe in relativity (which is proven scientifically);

What you perceive is relative to you; so even a genius is not a genius, he/she is only considered one because of a means of comparison to the rest of what surrounds them. I identify myself as a piece of life in the cosmos; I don't care what others think about me because it has no existential relevance. If you are 6ft tall, and live among people only 4ft tall, you will feel big. If you moved to a society made up of people 8ft tall, you would feel small. There is no wise or unwise, there is only more wise, or less wise, relative to another frame of reference.

So no, I am not wise. In fact, if you look at Moses when he asked God by what name/authority do I approach the people? God told him "I am that I am", because a bird is a bird, a bee is a bee, you are that you are (seemingly having some sort of ad hominem agenda against me) and I am that I am.

If you don't like what/how I express my views, you need not listen, let alone reply. I even asked that such people who have ad hominem to message it to me, but it seems you didn't catch that in the OP.
 

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Let's just get to what is important here.

All people have done wrong and are deserving of punishment, you, me, everyone. Christ took that punishment for us and gives his rightiousnesss to those who belive in him for forgiveness and obey Him.
Whatever sins you have can be forgiven and Christ will live in you and make you rightious.

This is what needs to be accepted.
 
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I am sorry you find what I say in some way offensive; but I never claimed to be wise. Because I happen to believe in relativity (which is proven scientifically);

What you perceive is relative to you; so even a genius is not a genius, he/she is only considered one because of a means of comparison to the rest of what surrounds them. I identify myself as a piece of life in the cosmos; I don't care what others think about me because it has no existential relevance. If you are 6ft tall, and live among people only 4ft tall, you will feel big. If you moved to a society made up of people 8ft tall, you would feel small. There is no wise or unwise, there is only more wise, or less wise, relative to another frame of reference.

So no, I am not wise. In fact, if you look at Moses when he asked God by what name/authority do I approach the people? God told him "I am that I am", because a bird is a bird, a bee is a bee, you are that you are (seemingly having some sort of ad hominem agenda against me) and I am that I am.

If you don't like what/how I express my views, you need not listen, let alone reply. I even asked that such people who have ad hominem to message it to me, but it seems you didn't catch that in the OP.
:) O I see, you're very gullible.
 
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Imitating can be dangerous but that depends on what you imitate, to imitate Jesus is not dangerous to imitate a person who makes for example lots of reckless and rash decisions is in fact dangerous. Can I ask what your religious stance is? I mean no offense or anything but your views and your words are very mixed and I know you say your not Christian but then what are you exactly?
I don't have a religious stance; I believe religion concerns only two things: what you refer to as your "self" and creation. I use my own life experience to perceive how my own choices have manifested into the whole, and as a result I derive from this that it is I, and only I, to "blame" for the problems which are manifest.

As such the idea that Jesus died for the sins of mankind (to me) is the same as the sins of mankind being your own; perhaps you only perceive the tail end of them (as it pertains to your current incarnation) but if you "accept" reality for what it is, it is only then you can react to it, otherwise it is a losing battle. This is the necessity of perceiving all as "one", or being one with the father, I just don't latch on to the rest of the dogma.

What most Christians don't seem to realize (as per my own perception) is their glorifying of Jesus Christ as God is idolatry; and there was a law which came before Jesus stating that idolatry is basically in the top ten things God said you must never ever do. But they don't realize their "authorities" have done just that: with Christianity it was Jesus is God, with Islam it is Muhammad is best example for all of mankind etc. It's the exact same deception being played out by authorities.

Jesus' (what I argue are yogic in nature) teachings are the liberation from all of this nonsense; to know that I am. Didn't Jesus himself say it is written that you are all Gods? You just perceive it not because you have exported "God" to your authorities, once again, despite the warning of Moses.

This whole confession involving Jesus as Lord and Savior etc. is like Islam's Shahada: a personal confession that Muhammad is the final prophet. It's the same Mosaic law being broken again.

It's almost as though every Abrahamic religion were written by deceivers to catch people in their own hypocrisy. By deceivers I might say "Jews" but I do not mean "Jew" as any race or religion; my concept of "Jew" given the context of times of old and current day, "Jew" simply means "hypocrite" to me. And part of following Jesus' instructions is exactly that: eliminating hypocrisy within yourself, or getting naked before God etc.
 
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This is my first post here; while I am not a "Christian", I am interested in the teachings of Jesus because they (seem to me) to involve very basic yogic principles.

#1. Your body is a lamp; you are the light of the world.
If your body is a "lamp" which is emitting its own "light", and "you" are the light of all that you perceive "the world", is this not the first yogic concept introduced to any initiate, that he/she experience everything as a part of themselves? It seems to me this analogy involving a lamp is rather straightforwardly suggesting the basis of your whole entire life experience is essentially yours / within you.
Science: Now knowing the "universe" contains no matter (it is all one energy), time (causality) is relative to the observer, consciousness itself is what collapses waveform potential into a definite state (observation), the cosmos is one gigantic hologram etc. does it not follow that every single individual *is* the light of their own world/experience?

#2. The kingdom of heaven is within you.
If your five sense organs are all external bound (thereby only showing you creation as a means of comparison to you; not the way it actually is) then is not the only way to the "kingdom of heaven" to enter within yourself?
Science: The kingdom (as Jesus stated) is not a place you can point to (geographical place) as Jesus claimed; if individuals actively "create" their own experience through their own choices, does this not seem appropriate?

#3. The light of the body is the eye; if it be single/good, your whole body will fill with light.
If your "light" (perception) can only be increased by practicing the "single eye" (treating the whole of creation as one energy), is this not a fundamental yogic principle?
Science: If the holographic universe you perceive is being "projected" outward from your own body, would it not follow that whatever manifests before you is merely a product of your own light?

#4. Nobody comes to the father except through me.
Given the fundamental yogic principles above, is it not proper that nobody comes to the "Father" unless he/she treats the whole of creation as one energy? Is this not why Jesus said he alone has no power or authority, only that which is granted by his "Father"? So, to the one who is "following" the God of Abraham narrative, when Jesus proclaims himself as the only way out of it all; could it not be true in the sense that one must understand the essential yoga associated with even learning to "pay attention" to creation? If you see the whole of creation as if it were a "Father" trying to teach you, how many are actually paying attention?
Science: It doesn't matter what "prompts" you to change your perspective and perceive the whole of creation as one; there is buddhism, taoism, yoga etc. Within the context of the God of Abraham narrative, Jesus' "yogic" principles are the same as any school of thought; you must treat the whole of creation as if it were occurring within yourself.

#5. The Father is me; you are in me, and I am in you.
Jesus claimed he alone is just one man; indeed this is probably the most important point people seem to miss: by glorifying him beyond the status of "just a man", this teaching in particular becomes irrelevant. Jesus is saying the only difference between you and him is that he is "one with the Father", and that if you follow his teachings, you too will become one with the Father and perform works even better than he. What I find interesting here is Jesus (all throughout his ministry) insists that he is in you. If Jesus is in you, and everybody is waiting for the "second coming", why are you looking anywhere outside of yourselves? Is not the second coming to coincide with your own personal realization that you are as Jesus said you are; the one to be personal witness to the truth of his teachings if you seek it?
Science: This trinity idea is simply outlining that The father(1) is in Christ(2) who is also in you(3), thereby creating the one and only "link" to come to know "the Father". It is entering within yourself.

#6. I am the Alpha and Omega; that which is in me is also within you.
If you ask somebody to explain exactly "what" they are, they might tell you their name, occupation, heritage etc. But when Jesus was asked, he simply said alpha and omega; beginning and end; first and last etc. I take this to mean "I am born (as the first), I will die (as the last), and you are the same thing relative to your own experience". If this is true, then every man is his/her own "christ" which culminates into he/she experiencing their own "end" relative to their own life experience/choices.

Now here is the point I want to leave with:

If you are a "person of the book" or following the God of Abraham narrative, you must treat it carefully; it is like a high school course: you must understand what came first in order to understand what comes after.

Regardless of what religion one might follow (based in the God of Abraham), the Genesis story demonstrates precisely the human predicament.

Adam/Eve were given authority to eat from any tree they wanted (what do you want to do with your life?) but were told to never touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Why?

"Good" and "Evil" is completely subjective and relative to the individual; it is only ever a person "I believe this is..." thus creating an "illusion" or "Maya" that is specific to you. By eating from this tree, you are effectively disobeying the "first" commandment from God and, as a result of eating from a tree which produces nothing but death (illusion), people fall to their own ignorance.

The tree thus represents (an internally manufactured) duality; which is why Jesus said your eye must be single in order to become full with light. Nobody gets to the father except through Christ because the christening is an internal process that is meant to happen to everyone; it is a part of the natural order itself. The various religions attempt to apply narrative/context to this internal phenomena, but as you can tell, not without profound dogmas associated with them.

It seems to me that the ten commandments hold rather strongly if you understand what they mean.

For example, your mind is comprised of 4 main parts. The first is intellect, which is like a sharp knife, allowing you to dissect the creation. The second is identity, which is whatever you have become identified with in this (or past) incarnations. Your intellect will only operate to protect whatever identity you have taken, thus your identity is closely related to the phenomena of idol worship.

If you identify with a particular individual and his/her traits (Jesus as the Romans portray him; Muhammad is the Arabs portray him etc) then your intellect will only operate based on this identification, thereby giving the inventors of these idols control over your intellect. This is how empires control their masses; for example claiming a 1400 year old book is the perfect inerrant word of God is idolatry because it elevates it to such a high place (I dare say the same is true for the Bible in my experience, but nowhere near the extend as Muhammad's Islam and the Qur'an). When you understand the importance of such a commandment as to never, ever become victim to idol worship, you begin to see why; because entire empires are established through such a means, and war thus becomes unavoidable.

If you truly look at the "last" religion (Islam), in order to join this religion, you must confess yourself as a personal witness that there is no God but God and Muhammad is his final prophet. The only problem with this is Muhammad is dead, and has been for 1400 years. As such you must effectively break a commandment (thou shall not bear false witness) to join a religion which proclaims the same God who issued that commandment as their God. It is such stupidity that modern "empires" are based and, indeed, it seems that illiterate people (as Muhammad was) seem to gravitate toward the rather baseness of Islam.

As such I perceive the teachings of Jesus (not the dogma, the sciences) as indeed the only real way for one to come to know "the Father".

With that said (I mean no offense with this) I do not gravitate toward typical Christian positions such as Jesus is Lord, Savior etc. While he may have went to many towns "healing" people (I do not trust the Gospel accounts for this, I believe it was said of him that he "healed the blind" in a symbolic way - his teachings would have healed inner blindness), I do not buy into the additional fluff tacked on by the authorities to keep people arguing/debating over things which seem trivial when you understand the simple fact: your life is like one big dream, you are creating it as you go, you may not perceive all as one, but as Jesus said, every single man will come to know.

As such, your own inner realization of these things is what will "collapse" all of the false Churches; the religious narrative runs concurrent to you, depending on how focused you become on the single eye - perception of everything as one, and constantly be a student to it.

Thank you for reading, please if you have any ad hominem (most people don't actually discuss things anymore without it) you can pm it to me rather than posting.
False set up/logic premise, which is quite similar to your first premise.

Lamp.


Not light bulb/candle/torch/headlight/etc.

Notice something about all the lamps. They aren't the light. They carry the light.

This is about where you go throughout the denunciation. You start with the assumption it's like other stuff, when it's not. If your headlight dies, do you grab a flashlight to replace it? Of course not, because they aren't the same things and don't function the same. If you're looking at a new home, is the first place you go to the outdoor's section of a store to look at tents? Of course not, because a tent isn't the same thing as "new home."

In like fashion, stop comparing "Christian" to Hindu, Islamic, and everything else out there.

When you're ready to see it as something specific -- someone specific -- feel free to ask.

As it stands, this sounds like a canned speech.
 

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Let's just get to what is important here.

All people have done wrong and are deserving of punishment, you, me, everyone. Christ took that punishment for us and gives his rightiousnesss to those who belive in him for forgiveness and obey Him.
Whatever sins you have can be forgiven and Christ will live in you and make you rightious.

This is what needs to be accepted.
This is a statement of truth and well said.
 

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This is my first post here; while I am not a "Christian", I am interested in the teachings of Jesus because they (seem to me) to involve very basic yogic principles.

#1. Your body is a lamp; you are the light of the world.
If your body is a "lamp" which is emitting its own "light", and "you" are the light of all that you perceive "the world", is this not the first yogic concept introduced to any initiate, that he/she experience everything as a part of themselves? It seems to me this analogy involving a lamp is rather straightforwardly suggesting the basis of your whole entire life experience is essentially yours / within you.
Yogic? Mmmm, I would say logic instead, and your logic fails right away, for our Light is not our own, but His Who created the universe and gave us life. He is the Light of this world, and those Who deny Him as the creator of all and the giver of life will have their names blotted from His book of life, and shall pass into the second death following the resurrection and judgment of all, for they are without excuse. John 8:12

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
 

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I don't have a religious stance; I believe religion concerns only two things: what you refer to as your "self" and creation. I use my own life experience to perceive how my own choices have manifested into the whole, and as a result I derive from this that it is I, and only I, to "blame" for the problems which are manifest.

As such the idea that Jesus died for the sins of mankind (to me) is the same as the sins of mankind being your own; perhaps you only perceive the tail end of them (as it pertains to your current incarnation) but if you "accept" reality for what it is, it is only then you can react to it, otherwise it is a losing battle. This is the necessity of perceiving all as "one", or being one with the father, I just don't latch on to the rest of the dogma.

What most Christians don't seem to realize (as per my own perception) is their glorifying of Jesus Christ as God is idolatry; and there was a law which came before Jesus stating that idolatry is basically in the top ten things God said you must never ever do. But they don't realize their "authorities" have done just that: with Christianity it was Jesus is God, with Islam it is Muhammad is best example for all of mankind etc. It's the exact same deception being played out by authorities.

Jesus' (what I argue are yogic in nature) teachings are the liberation from all of this nonsense; to know that I am. Didn't Jesus himself say it is written that you are all Gods? You just perceive it not because you have exported "God" to your authorities, once again, despite the warning of Moses.

This whole confession involving Jesus as Lord and Savior etc. is like Islam's Shahada: a personal confession that Muhammad is the final prophet. It's the same Mosaic law being broken again.

It's almost as though every Abrahamic religion were written by deceivers to catch people in their own hypocrisy. By deceivers I might say "Jews" but I do not mean "Jew" as any race or religion; my concept of "Jew" given the context of times of old and current day, "Jew" simply means "hypocrite" to me. And part of following Jesus' instructions is exactly that: eliminating hypocrisy within yourself, or getting naked before God etc.
I see... well Religious or not and before I ask this question I want to let you know I only ask out of curiosity what do you think will happen after you die? I am not trying to convert or condemn you and my responses so far have been for mere discussion nothing more like I said you have my interest lol
 
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