Science and the Teachings of Jesus

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This is my first post here; while I am not a "Christian", I am interested in the teachings of Jesus because they (seem to me) to involve very basic yogic principles.

#1. Your body is a lamp; you are the light of the world.
If your body is a "lamp" which is emitting its own "light", and "you" are the light of all that you perceive "the world", is this not the first yogic concept introduced to any initiate, that he/she experience everything as a part of themselves? It seems to me this analogy involving a lamp is rather straightforwardly suggesting the basis of your whole entire life experience is essentially yours / within you.
Science: Now knowing the "universe" contains no matter (it is all one energy), time (causality) is relative to the observer, consciousness itself is what collapses waveform potential into a definite state (observation), the cosmos is one gigantic hologram etc. does it not follow that every single individual *is* the light of their own world/experience?

#2. The kingdom of heaven is within you.
If your five sense organs are all external bound (thereby only showing you creation as a means of comparison to you; not the way it actually is) then is not the only way to the "kingdom of heaven" to enter within yourself?
Science: The kingdom (as Jesus stated) is not a place you can point to (geographical place) as Jesus claimed; if individuals actively "create" their own experience through their own choices, does this not seem appropriate?

#3. The light of the body is the eye; if it be single/good, your whole body will fill with light.
If your "light" (perception) can only be increased by practicing the "single eye" (treating the whole of creation as one energy), is this not a fundamental yogic principle?
Science: If the holographic universe you perceive is being "projected" outward from your own body, would it not follow that whatever manifests before you is merely a product of your own light?

#4. Nobody comes to the father except through me.
Given the fundamental yogic principles above, is it not proper that nobody comes to the "Father" unless he/she treats the whole of creation as one energy? Is this not why Jesus said he alone has no power or authority, only that which is granted by his "Father"? So, to the one who is "following" the God of Abraham narrative, when Jesus proclaims himself as the only way out of it all; could it not be true in the sense that one must understand the essential yoga associated with even learning to "pay attention" to creation? If you see the whole of creation as if it were a "Father" trying to teach you, how many are actually paying attention?
Science: It doesn't matter what "prompts" you to change your perspective and perceive the whole of creation as one; there is buddhism, taoism, yoga etc. Within the context of the God of Abraham narrative, Jesus' "yogic" principles are the same as any school of thought; you must treat the whole of creation as if it were occurring within yourself.

#5. The Father is me; you are in me, and I am in you.
Jesus claimed he alone is just one man; indeed this is probably the most important point people seem to miss: by glorifying him beyond the status of "just a man", this teaching in particular becomes irrelevant. Jesus is saying the only difference between you and him is that he is "one with the Father", and that if you follow his teachings, you too will become one with the Father and perform works even better than he. What I find interesting here is Jesus (all throughout his ministry) insists that he is in you. If Jesus is in you, and everybody is waiting for the "second coming", why are you looking anywhere outside of yourselves? Is not the second coming to coincide with your own personal realization that you are as Jesus said you are; the one to be personal witness to the truth of his teachings if you seek it?
Science: This trinity idea is simply outlining that The father(1) is in Christ(2) who is also in you(3), thereby creating the one and only "link" to come to know "the Father". It is entering within yourself.

#6. I am the Alpha and Omega; that which is in me is also within you.
If you ask somebody to explain exactly "what" they are, they might tell you their name, occupation, heritage etc. But when Jesus was asked, he simply said alpha and omega; beginning and end; first and last etc. I take this to mean "I am born (as the first), I will die (as the last), and you are the same thing relative to your own experience". If this is true, then every man is his/her own "christ" which culminates into he/she experiencing their own "end" relative to their own life experience/choices.

Now here is the point I want to leave with:

If you are a "person of the book" or following the God of Abraham narrative, you must treat it carefully; it is like a high school course: you must understand what came first in order to understand what comes after.

Regardless of what religion one might follow (based in the God of Abraham), the Genesis story demonstrates precisely the human predicament.

Adam/Eve were given authority to eat from any tree they wanted (what do you want to do with your life?) but were told to never touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Why?

"Good" and "Evil" is completely subjective and relative to the individual; it is only ever a person "I believe this is..." thus creating an "illusion" or "Maya" that is specific to you. By eating from this tree, you are effectively disobeying the "first" commandment from God and, as a result of eating from a tree which produces nothing but death (illusion), people fall to their own ignorance.

The tree thus represents (an internally manufactured) duality; which is why Jesus said your eye must be single in order to become full with light. Nobody gets to the father except through Christ because the christening is an internal process that is meant to happen to everyone; it is a part of the natural order itself. The various religions attempt to apply narrative/context to this internal phenomena, but as you can tell, not without profound dogmas associated with them.

It seems to me that the ten commandments hold rather strongly if you understand what they mean.

For example, your mind is comprised of 4 main parts. The first is intellect, which is like a sharp knife, allowing you to dissect the creation. The second is identity, which is whatever you have become identified with in this (or past) incarnations. Your intellect will only operate to protect whatever identity you have taken, thus your identity is closely related to the phenomena of idol worship.

If you identify with a particular individual and his/her traits (Jesus as the Romans portray him; Muhammad is the Arabs portray him etc) then your intellect will only operate based on this identification, thereby giving the inventors of these idols control over your intellect. This is how empires control their masses; for example claiming a 1400 year old book is the perfect inerrant word of God is idolatry because it elevates it to such a high place (I dare say the same is true for the Bible in my experience, but nowhere near the extend as Muhammad's Islam and the Qur'an). When you understand the importance of such a commandment as to never, ever become victim to idol worship, you begin to see why; because entire empires are established through such a means, and war thus becomes unavoidable.

If you truly look at the "last" religion (Islam), in order to join this religion, you must confess yourself as a personal witness that there is no God but God and Muhammad is his final prophet. The only problem with this is Muhammad is dead, and has been for 1400 years. As such you must effectively break a commandment (thou shall not bear false witness) to join a religion which proclaims the same God who issued that commandment as their God. It is such stupidity that modern "empires" are based and, indeed, it seems that illiterate people (as Muhammad was) seem to gravitate toward the rather baseness of Islam.

As such I perceive the teachings of Jesus (not the dogma, the sciences) as indeed the only real way for one to come to know "the Father".

With that said (I mean no offense with this) I do not gravitate toward typical Christian positions such as Jesus is Lord, Savior etc. While he may have went to many towns "healing" people (I do not trust the Gospel accounts for this, I believe it was said of him that he "healed the blind" in a symbolic way - his teachings would have healed inner blindness), I do not buy into the additional fluff tacked on by the authorities to keep people arguing/debating over things which seem trivial when you understand the simple fact: your life is like one big dream, you are creating it as you go, you may not perceive all as one, but as Jesus said, every single man will come to know.

As such, your own inner realization of these things is what will "collapse" all of the false Churches; the religious narrative runs concurrent to you, depending on how focused you become on the single eye - perception of everything as one, and constantly be a student to it.

Thank you for reading, please if you have any ad hominem (most people don't actually discuss things anymore without it) you can pm it to me rather than posting.
 

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I have to admit you have my interest, the way you put everything is at least an interesting discussion.
 
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Justoneman wrote this? It looks like severalman wrote this.
 
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I have to admit you have my interest, the way you put everything is at least an interesting discussion.
Yes, it's going to be fun watching this one be dissected.
 
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No he's canadian errrrr lol duh
 
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Lol! Its actually chinese cuz its spelled with a c. See? Im smarter than you.
 
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Lol! Its actually chinese cuz its spelled with a c. See? Im smarter than you.
lol ok, so you are smarter than me, what do you expect me to do ? Celebrate with you by eating a Chinese meal ?
 
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Orange chicken!! Yes lol
 
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Wow bro you must know a lot about Canada, wow
 
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This is my first post here; while I am not a "Christian", I am interested in the teachings of Jesus because they (seem to me) to involve very basic yogic principles.

#1. Your body is a lamp; you are the light of the world.
If your body is a "lamp" which is emitting its own "light", and "you" are the light of all that you perceive "the world", is this not the first yogic concept introduced to any initiate, that he/she experience everything as a part of themselves? It seems to me this analogy involving a lamp is rather straightforwardly suggesting the basis of your whole entire life experience is essentially yours / within you.
Science: Now knowing the "universe" contains no matter (it is all one energy), time (causality) is relative to the observer, consciousness itself is what collapses waveform potential into a definite state (observation), the cosmos is one gigantic hologram etc. does it not follow that every single individual *is* the light of their own world/experience?

#2. The kingdom of heaven is within you.
If your five sense organs are all external bound (thereby only showing you creation as a means of comparison to you; not the way it actually is) then is not the only way to the "kingdom of heaven" to enter within yourself?
Science: The kingdom (as Jesus stated) is not a place you can point to (geographical place) as Jesus claimed; if individuals actively "create" their own experience through their own choices, does this not seem appropriate?

#3. The light of the body is the eye; if it be single/good, your whole body will fill with light.
If your "light" (perception) can only be increased by practicing the "single eye" (treating the whole of creation as one energy), is this not a fundamental yogic principle?
Science: If the holographic universe you perceive is being "projected" outward from your own body, would it not follow that whatever manifests before you is merely a product of your own light?

#4. Nobody comes to the father except through me.
Given the fundamental yogic principles above, is it not proper that nobody comes to the "Father" unless he/she treats the whole of creation as one energy? Is this not why Jesus said he alone has no power or authority, only that which is granted by his "Father"? So, to the one who is "following" the God of Abraham narrative, when Jesus proclaims himself as the only way out of it all; could it not be true in the sense that one must understand the essential yoga associated with even learning to "pay attention" to creation? If you see the whole of creation as if it were a "Father" trying to teach you, how many are actually paying attention?
Science: It doesn't matter what "prompts" you to change your perspective and perceive the whole of creation as one; there is buddhism, taoism, yoga etc. Within the context of the God of Abraham narrative, Jesus' "yogic" principles are the same as any school of thought; you must treat the whole of creation as if it were occurring within yourself.

#5. The Father is me; you are in me, and I am in you.
Jesus claimed he alone is just one man; indeed this is probably the most important point people seem to miss: by glorifying him beyond the status of "just a man", this teaching in particular becomes irrelevant. Jesus is saying the only difference between you and him is that he is "one with the Father", and that if you follow his teachings, you too will become one with the Father and perform works even better than he. What I find interesting here is Jesus (all throughout his ministry) insists that he is in you. If Jesus is in you, and everybody is waiting for the "second coming", why are you looking anywhere outside of yourselves? Is not the second coming to coincide with your own personal realization that you are as Jesus said you are; the one to be personal witness to the truth of his teachings if you seek it?
Science: This trinity idea is simply outlining that The father(1) is in Christ(2) who is also in you(3), thereby creating the one and only "link" to come to know "the Father". It is entering within yourself.

#6. I am the Alpha and Omega; that which is in me is also within you.
If you ask somebody to explain exactly "what" they are, they might tell you their name, occupation, heritage etc. But when Jesus was asked, he simply said alpha and omega; beginning and end; first and last etc. I take this to mean "I am born (as the first), I will die (as the last), and you are the same thing relative to your own experience". If this is true, then every man is his/her own "christ" which culminates into he/she experiencing their own "end" relative to their own life experience/choices.

Now here is the point I want to leave with:

If you are a "person of the book" or following the God of Abraham narrative, you must treat it carefully; it is like a high school course: you must understand what came first in order to understand what comes after.

Regardless of what religion one might follow (based in the God of Abraham), the Genesis story demonstrates precisely the human predicament.

Adam/Eve were given authority to eat from any tree they wanted (what do you want to do with your life?) but were told to never touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Why?

"Good" and "Evil" is completely subjective and relative to the individual; it is only ever a person "I believe this is..." thus creating an "illusion" or "Maya" that is specific to you. By eating from this tree, you are effectively disobeying the "first" commandment from God and, as a result of eating from a tree which produces nothing but death (illusion), people fall to their own ignorance.

The tree thus represents (an internally manufactured) duality; which is why Jesus said your eye must be single in order to become full with light. Nobody gets to the father except through Christ because the christening is an internal process that is meant to happen to everyone; it is a part of the natural order itself. The various religions attempt to apply narrative/context to this internal phenomena, but as you can tell, not without profound dogmas associated with them.

It seems to me that the ten commandments hold rather strongly if you understand what they mean.

For example, your mind is comprised of 4 main parts. The first is intellect, which is like a sharp knife, allowing you to dissect the creation. The second is identity, which is whatever you have become identified with in this (or past) incarnations. Your intellect will only operate to protect whatever identity you have taken, thus your identity is closely related to the phenomena of idol worship.

If you identify with a particular individual and his/her traits (Jesus as the Romans portray him; Muhammad is the Arabs portray him etc) then your intellect will only operate based on this identification, thereby giving the inventors of these idols control over your intellect. This is how empires control their masses; for example claiming a 1400 year old book is the perfect inerrant word of God is idolatry because it elevates it to such a high place (I dare say the same is true for the Bible in my experience, but nowhere near the extend as Muhammad's Islam and the Qur'an). When you understand the importance of such a commandment as to never, ever become victim to idol worship, you begin to see why; because entire empires are established through such a means, and war thus becomes unavoidable.

If you truly look at the "last" religion (Islam), in order to join this religion, you must confess yourself as a personal witness that there is no God but God and Muhammad is his final prophet. The only problem with this is Muhammad is dead, and has been for 1400 years. As such you must effectively break a commandment (thou shall not bear false witness) to join a religion which proclaims the same God who issued that commandment as their God. It is such stupidity that modern "empires" are based and, indeed, it seems that illiterate people (as Muhammad was) seem to gravitate toward the rather baseness of Islam.

As such I perceive the teachings of Jesus (not the dogma, the sciences) as indeed the only real way for one to come to know "the Father".

With that said (I mean no offense with this) I do not gravitate toward typical Christian positions such as Jesus is Lord, Savior etc. While he may have went to many towns "healing" people (I do not trust the Gospel accounts for this, I believe it was said of him that he "healed the blind" in a symbolic way - his teachings would have healed inner blindness), I do not buy into the additional fluff tacked on by the authorities to keep people arguing/debating over things which seem trivial when you understand the simple fact: your life is like one big dream, you are creating it as you go, you may not perceive all as one, but as Jesus said, every single man will come to know.

As such, your own inner realization of these things is what will "collapse" all of the false Churches; the religious narrative runs concurrent to you, depending on how focused you become on the single eye - perception of everything as one, and constantly be a student to it.

Thank you for reading, please if you have any ad hominem (most people don't actually discuss things anymore without it) you can pm it to me rather than posting.

Welcome! I'd like to make a few points about your post. First off "people of the book" is an Islamic term for Christians and Jews, it is not a Christian term.I just wanted to point that out first.

Now you say that good and evil is simply relative. Therefore that would mean that there are no absolutes in life and we know this is not true. We know it was evil of Hitler to murder the Jews,thats an absolute,whether he thought he was right or wrong it was murder. Its wrong to take what doesn't belong to you,if you dont think so,go take all you neighbor has and see how long it takes for the police to show up. So we know that truth is not relative and there are absolutes. God said not to eat the fruit because once they did innocence would be lost,they were living in paradise but once they ate the fruit their eyes were opened and sin entered the world. The "human predicament" as you call it is this,we are sinners in need of a Savior. Death is not an illusion and one day we will answer for the life we have lived.

If you identify with a particular individual and his/her traits (Jesus as the Romans portray him; Muhammad is the Arabs portray him etc) then your intellect will only operate based on this identification, thereby giving the inventors of these idols control over your intellect. This is how empires control their masses; for example claiming a 1400 year old book is the perfect inerrant word of God is idolatry because it elevates it to such a high place (I dare say the same is true for the Bible in my experience, but nowhere near the extend as Muhammad's Islam and the Qur'an). When you understand the importance of such a commandment as to never, ever become victim to idol worship, you begin to see why; because entire empires are established through such a means, and war thus becomes unavoidable.
​If the Bible is not inerrant then it cannot be trusted and nothing within its pages can be certain.We can't know if Jesus did die for our sins,we can't know whether God even exists. If the Bible can be wrong in one book it can be wrong in another.Its no different than any other book and is just some good fictional reading if what you say is true.There are a lot easier ways to control the masses than to invent a god, just read history.


As such I perceive the teachings of Jesus (not the dogma, the sciences) as indeed the only real way for one to come to know "the Father".


You are correct,Im glad you understand that. But there's more to it.See the "dogma" as you put it is Gods saving grace,His plan of redemption for man.Why try to know the Father if you do not believe what He said? Again,its like reading fiction,it has no bearing on your life. So why bother trying to know anything about Him?


With that said (I mean no offense with this) I do not gravitate toward typical Christian positions such as Jesus is Lord, Savior etc. While he may have went to many towns "healing" people (I do not trust the Gospel accounts for this, I believe it was said of him that he "healed the blind" in a symbolic way - his teachings would have healed inner blindness), I do not buy into the additional fluff tacked on by the authorities to keep people arguing/debating over things which seem trivial when you understand the simple fact: your life is like one big dream, you are creating it as you go, you may not perceive all as one, but as Jesus said, every single man will come to know.

As such, your own inner realization of these things is what will "collapse" all of the false Churches; the religious narrative runs concurrent to you, depending on how focused you become on the single eye - perception of everything as one, and constantly be a student to it.

​Well thats rather a lot of who shot John,and Im not trying to be snide about it.It seems you have a very complicated,intellectual and rather self serving belief system. And really Im not trying to offend you. You can believe or disbelieve whatever you wish,but as we stated above there are absolutes in life.One of those absolutes is that sin brings death,and I assure you,death is no illusion. The Father is someone you can know,and not just know,you can have a very personal relationship with Him. And why would you not want to? Is it perhaps that you wish to live the way you want with no consequences? I do not know and I cannot speak for you. But I hope you look deeper into knowing the Father instead of making up your own belief system and playing on the fringes.
 
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Wow, you must've gone to Harvard University to get that straight. Not even i knew that. Hey does chocolate come from Canada?
 
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Now if you observe what has been fed to the masses via entertainment (movies), you encounter a movie the "The Matrix" which is essentially in agreement with everything I posted in the OP.

A man "Neo", realizes there is something not right with the world, he seeks "Morpheus" (the God of Dreams/Sleep) and finds access to him via "Trinity" (come on guys, how much more obvious can these people make it for you?)

Neo is given red pill / blue pill choice; to either continue living normally in the "dream", or enter within yourself and see how far the rabbit hole goes. Neo faces the mirror and "touches" it, thereby entering within himself.

Neo realizes the world he came from is all an illusion, and goes through three movies of internal struggle as to whether or not he is "the one".

He reaches the source; he asks the creator "why am I here?". The architect or "God" who tells Neo he is the single anomaly which is creating imbalance in the whole of the Matrix. Neo then realizes the root of all of his problems; the problem is choice.

The architect gives Neo two choices; reboot (continue cycle of birth and death) or return and see Zion fall. Neo must choose whether or not he actually is "the one" which would render the architect's second "scenario" as a lie only meant to "test" Neo at his very root; are you the one or not?

Neo fights Smith for 15 minutes only to have Smith ask Neo the same thing Neo asked God; why do you persist? why are you here? Neo says it is because he chooses; as such he knew it is inevitable that he "merge" with Smith to restore balance for all others.

As such; relative to your own experience, you are the single unbalanced anomaly in the whole of creation. If you don't see the symbolism regarding "Jesus Christ" in the Matrix (Trinity, entering within yourself, knowing you are the one, every man dies for his/her own imbalance which is the same imbalance of the entire world etc) then I'm not so sure how much more clear they could make it for you.

Even if you look at a movie like Inception; each individual is stuck in their own series of dreams (cycle of birth/death) while he/she works on the underlying internal issues. The last song "Time" in this movie, if you listen to the horns carefully near the end of it, are based on the simple phrase "wake up". It is as such that your media is telling you that you are living in a dream of your own making and to wake up from it you must enter within yourself.

So for me, the proof is actually everywhere in plain sight (the "Father" is constantly right in front of your eyes).

It must be noted that "truth" is eternal; it never changes. When Jesus tells you that it is the religious authorities that are keeping the keys of heaven from you, that doesn't just apply then, it applies now (Christianity included). Those who praise Jesus as God are actually committing idolatry as their authorities would have them do. I don't mean to blaspheme your savior, but your savior is meant to tell you that you are your own savior if you follow his teachings; he alone is just a man.
 
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Wow, you must've gone to Harvard University to get that straight. Not even i knew that. Hey does chocolate come from Canada?
No chocolate does not come from Canada, it comes from the island that the Oompa Loompas lived on before they moved into Willy Wonka's factory. I learnt that from Professor Goofy of Disneyland University.
 
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Cool i have a room especially made for the oompa loompas at my house.
 
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