Can someone throw some light on this verse please?

[Enow]

[SUP]5[/SUP]The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.[SUP]6[/SUP]The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. [SUP]7[/SUP] [Genesis 6: 5-6]
1) Why did God create mankind, when he foreknew that mankind would cause Him so much sorrow?

He foreknew that His Son will have to save sinners in reconciling them back to God. This was hinted at after the fall when God punished the serpent, then the woman and then the man for sinning.

This point in time of the flood was to show a necessity for God's judgment on the whole earth as that was how bad sinners became before the flood... and will become again as a world when God judges His House first ( the body of Christ; not the whole world ) at the pre trib rapture event wherein afterwards, a fire will come upon the earth destroying a third of it.

2) Where was Satan, when God made the earth, and created man?

Certainly not criticizing God.

There are no real scripture indicating where Satan was at this time, but apparently, he was there afterwards to tempt Eve in the Garden of Eden.

It is after the fall of man that Satan has taken the role of the accuser of our brethren... which will end at the pre trib rapture event when he gets kicked out of heaven to the earth, knowing he has little time left to rally the troops against His coming back with the pre raptured saints to set up His kingdom on earth at the end of the great tribulation.

Revelation 12:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

You can't have a celebration of Jesus Christ in Heaven at the Marriage Supper in His honor with Satan around accusing the brethren.

So the way the majority of the world was as sinners was why it was judged to be flooded and the way the world will be again as it is happening now, will be judged again but by fire. So it is best to be ready to go by going before that throne of grace for help in discerning iniquity as well as leaning on Him to deliver us from it & keep us from it before the Bridegroom comes.

2 Peter 3:1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:[SUP] 3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;

That salvation is referring to being found abiding in Him to be delivered from the fire coming on this life and this world. We can only do this by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be received by Him.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. [SUP]26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP] 8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Salvation in Christ Jesus can never be lost, but being ready to go... by Him..to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House since death can come at any moment, as well as to escape what is coming on the earth is what running that race is all about. Those wayward saints and former believers left behind, will be received later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

So what we build on that foundation matters...as our confidence should be resting in Him to finish His work in us, helping us to lay aside every weight & sin...leading us to sow to the fruits of the Spirit and NOT to the works of the flesh...is living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

Judgment is coming on the earth once more... and it is necessary because it is all leading to that point in time where we will be mae perfect and never sin against God again to be separated from Him ever again.. which is to His glory & our praise of Him.

 

[VCO]

Isaiah 14:12-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.

Satan once held a bright and shining position among the Angels. But after his FALL, his shininess disappeared just like the morning star or day star disappears as soon as the sun comes up. And now Satan is associated with Darkness, the opposite of what he once was.

ISAIAH
14:12-17 As the taunt song continues, the theme seems to expand from the fall of the king of Babylon to the fall of the one who energized him, Satan (Lucifer {The name Lucifer means shining one.} ) himself. Ryrie writes that this is "evidently a reference to Satan, because of Christ's similar description (Luke 10:18) and because of the inappropriateness of the expressions of Isa. 14:13-14 on the lips of any but Satan (cf. 1 Tim. 3:6)." Because this Day Star, son of the morning, proudly asserted his will above the will of God, he was cast out of heaven. Verses 13, 14 record the notorious "I will's" of Satan in his defiance of God. Eventually he will be consigned to Sheol, an object of astonishment. The denizens of Sheol will marvel that one who exercised such power has been brought so low.


Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

14:12-14 fallen from heaven... make myself like the Most High. Jesus' use of v. 12 to describe Satan's fall (Lk 10:18; cf. Rev 12:8-10) has led many to see more than a reference to the king of Babylon. Just as the Lord addressed Satan in His words to the serpent (Ge 3:14, 15), this inspired dirge speaks to the king of Babylon and to the devil who energized him. See Eze 28:12-17 for similar language to the king of Tyre and Satan behind him.
The MacArthur Study Bible.

The Origin Of Satan And Evil (Isaiah 14:12-17)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [Isa. 14:12].

"Lucifer" is none other than Satan. Lucifer, according to Ezekiel 28, is the highest creature that God ever created. But he was a Judas Iscariot -- he turned on God. He set his will over God's will. In Luke 10:18 the Lord Jesus says, "...I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." In 1John 3:8 we are told, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." Then in Revelation 12:7-9 we are told, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." This is a picture of this creature Lucifer at the very beginning.
What was the sin of this creature created higher than any other? Well, what is sin in its final analysis? I'm not speaking philosophically, but theologically -- what is sin?
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High [Isa. 14:13-14].

These are the five "I wills" of Lucifer. He was setting his will over against the will of God. This is sin in embryo. This is the evolution of evil. There is no evolution of man, but there is evolution of sin. It began by a creature setting his will against the will of God. As a free moral agent, the creature must be allowed to do this. It is nonsense to talk about a creature who has a free moral will, who can do anything he wants to, but is restricted in his movements in a certain area. Lucifer had a free will.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

 

[notbythesword]

I’ve put some thought into this very topic. We all can probably agree that God is almighty and all-powerful. He can ordain future events to happen, as well as reveal certain future events to whom He chooses. The question for me is, does God choose to “always” foresee “everything” within the future, or only selectively when He wants to and chooses to?

When I look at the emotional responses of God throughout the Bible, I see a God working in real-time. Sure, He can look into the future or set up events at His choosing, but I think that God also has the power to work as He wishes, including if it may be in real-time with humanity.

As depicted in Genesis 6:6, I fail to see how God would be grieved in His heart that He even made mankind in the first place, if indeed He chose to foreknow or preordain this event. This is not the only instance in scripture where I see a real-time interaction and “on the fly” emotional response from God either.

1 Kings 11:9 The Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the Lord God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice.

Jonah 3:9-10 Who knows? God may turn and relent; He may turn from His burning anger so that we will not perish. Then God saw their actions-that they had turned from their evil ways -so God relented from the disaster He had threatened to do to them. And He did not do it.

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore, the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Although I said your family and your ancestral house would walk before Me forever, the Lord now says, "No longer!" I will honor those who honor Me, but those who despise Me will be disgraced.

Genesis 18:21 “I will go down to see if what they have done justifies the cry that has come up to Me. If not, I will find out."

Judges 2:18 Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for the Israelites, the Lord was with him and saved the people from the power of their enemies while the judge was still alive. The Lord was moved to pity whenever they groaned because of those who were oppressing and afflicting them.

These are just a few examples among many, and while I’m just a man who cannot fully comprehend the ways and power of the Most High, it does appear to me (based on the emotional responses and actions of God) that He chooses to engage with humanity (for the most part) in current time. Who knows though, I may be completely wrong.

Psalms 115:3 Our God is in heaven and does whatever He pleases.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Well, I was going to post about how we can never in this life understand nor define God's foreknowledge as it is simply beyond our understanding. However, since I am now seeing a no satan/lucifer discussion starting I think i'll just grab some popcorn and sit back and watch...no disrespect intended but this is a new one to me so please...proceed.

 

[VCO]

I’ve put some thought into this very topic. We all can probably agree that God is almighty and all-powerful. He can ordain future events to happen, as well as reveal certain future events to whom He chooses. The question for me is, does God choose to “always” foresee “everything” within the future, or only selectively when He wants to and chooses to?

When I look at the emotional responses of God throughout the Bible, I see a God working in real-time. Sure, He can look into the future or set up events at His choosing, but I think that God also has the power to work as He wishes, including if it may be in real-time with humanity.

As depicted in Genesis 6:6, I fail to see how God would be grieved in His heart that He even made mankind in the first place, if indeed He chose to foreknow or preordain this event. This is not the only instance in scripture where I see a real-time interaction and “on the fly” emotional response from God either.

1 Kings 11:9 The Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the Lord God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice.

Jonah 3:9-10 Who knows? God may turn and relent; He may turn from His burning anger so that we will not perish. Then God saw their actions-that they had turned from their evil ways -so God relented from the disaster He had threatened to do to them. And He did not do it.

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore, the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Although I said your family and your ancestral house would walk before Me forever, the Lord now says, "No longer!" I will honor those who honor Me, but those who despise Me will be disgraced.

Genesis 18:21 “I will go down to see if what they have done justifies the cry that has come up to Me. If not, I will find out."

Judges 2:18 Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for the Israelites, the Lord was with him and saved the people from the power of their enemies while the judge was still alive. The Lord was moved to pity whenever they groaned because of those who were oppressing and afflicting them.

These are just a few examples among many, and while I’m just a man who cannot fully comprehend the ways and power of the Most High, it does appear to me (based on the emotional responses and actions of God) that He chooses to engage with humanity (for the most part) in current time. Who knows though, I may be completely wrong.

Psalms 115:3 Our God is in heaven and does whatever He pleases.

Isaiah 46:11-13 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.
Isaiah 46:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10[/SUP] I declare the end from the beginning,

and from long ago what is not yet done,

saying: my plan will take place,

and I will do all my will.


1 John 3:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

1 Samuel 2:3 (NCV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “Don’t continue bragging, don’t speak proud words. The LORD is a God who knows everything, and he judges what people do.


Revelation 13:5-8 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.


Your question reflects too small of an Understanding of how Infinitely Omniscient (all knowing) GOD really is.

 

[OneFaith]

[SUP]5[/SUP]The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.[SUP]6[/SUP]The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. [SUP]7[/SUP] [Genesis 6: 5-6]
1) Why did God create mankind, when he foreknew that mankind would cause Him so much sorrow?
2) Where was Satan, when God made the earth, and created man?

1) God wants children who obey Him of their own freewill. He does not want those who will choose evil all the time. And this is what He showed us with Noah's ark. After the wheat (righteous) and the weeds (unrighteous) grow together, He will separate them, and the good that will be gathered will be worth the trouble to Him. God is love, and that love needs to be expressed.

2) Satan and demons were cast to the earth (physicality) as punishment. They have to be in something physical at all times- that's why demons were cast into pigs. They cannot float around freely. They can be in disease, germs, pigs, snakes, etc. We know that he was in the snake that spoke to Eve. We can't say if he was there before that, or how long Adam and Eve were on the earth before that incident- they did live over 900 years. We can guess, but we can't call it truth unless the Bible says it.

 

[Johnny_B]

God was disappointed that only Noah and his family chose to honor Him even though He knew before hand that it would be that way.

Noah did not love God, God loved him.

Genesis 6:8 "But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord."

Believers love God because He first loved us.

I John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."

The idea that God needed man to love Him is no where in the Scriptures. God loved man and God is love, He was loved in eternity. For God to be love, He had to have someone to love, this is why we know that God is triune in nature, the Father is the lover and loved, the Son receives love and gives love, the Hoy Spirit is the bond of love and He loves as well. For God to be love, He has to be all that love is, the giver, the reciever, the bond He is all of those.

The Father glorified jesus before the foundaton of the world.

John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world."

I John 4:7-11 explains it very well. "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."

Mankind's sins were no suprise to God, notice all that happened from the foundations of the world.

Christ was slain before the foundations of the world.

Revelation 13:8 "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Believers name were written into the book of life before the foundations of the world.

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pitand go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come."

The kingdom of God hidden in prophecy.

Matthew 13:24-35 “All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable.35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”

The kingdom was prepared for those bless by the Father.

Matthew 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

He chose us before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3-6 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved."

Because He was foreknew before the foundation of the world, we believe in God through Him.

I Peter 1:20-21 "He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God."

All Chrit's works were done before the foundations of the world.

Hebrews 4:3 “For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.”

It is all in the Father's definite plan.

Acts 2:22-24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”

 

[Nehemiah6]

Noah did not love God, God loved him.

We need to be careful about what we say and how we say it when discussing Bible truth. Certainly God loved Noah first, as He does all of us. But to say that "Noah did not love God" is to contradict Scripture. Since Noah was found righteous before God, it is evident that Noah believed God, and it was counted to Him for righteousness. But Noah showed his love for God by obeying God, and that is how all believers should show their love for God. So Noah built an ark when there was no sign of any water surrounding him. Furthermore, Scripture calls him a preacher of righteousness, which means that he was preaching righteousness and repentance to all who would listen. Noah, Daniel, and Job are the three men whom God recognized as righteous when all others would be condemned (Ezekiel 14:14-20).

 

[SovereignGrace]

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


Jubilee Bible 2000
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst claim the Gentiles as an inheritance!

Douay-Rheims Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

Darby Bible Translation
How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations!

Webster's Bible Translation
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaías 14:12 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas
¡Cómo has caído del cielo, oh lucero de la mañana, hijo de la aurora! Has sido derribado por tierra, tú que debilitabas a las naciones.

Isaías 14:12 Spanish: La Nueva Biblia de los Hispanos
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¡Cómo has caído del cielo, Oh lucero de la mañana, hijo de la aurora! Has sido derribado por tierra, Tú que debilitabas a las naciones.

Isaías 14:12 Spanish: Reina Valera Gómez
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¡Cómo caíste del cielo, oh Lucifer, hijo de la mañana! Cortado fuiste por tierra, tú que debilitabas las naciones.

Isaías 14:12 Spanish: Reina Valera 1909
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Cómo caiste del cielo, oh Lucero, hijo de la mañana! Cortado fuiste por tierra, tú que debilitabas las gentes.

Lucifer was a transliterated word from Latin that means 'bringing light'. Lucifer is king of Babylon, whether it be Nebuchadnezzar(Nave's topical bible believes this) or Beltshazzar, his grandson.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I believe God has a desire for human companionship so man was created. I believe that God wants to be loved. Satan was probably with God or near God when God made the earth and created man.

If God has a want or need of, or from, anything or anyone, then He is not self-sufficient.

 

[VCO]

Noah did not love God, God loved him.

Genesis 6:8 "But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord."

Believers love God because He first loved us.

I John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."

Now that statement is impossible. Noah did what GOD commanded him, and HE believed GOD.

Genuine SAVING Faith, has two dominant characteristics:

LOVE FOR GOD, and WILLING OBEDIANCE Generated by that LOVE, which is NOT OF US.

Romans 5:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.


1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,


1 John 2:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But whoever keeps His word, truly in him the love of God is perfected. This is how we know we are in Him:



Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

 

[adhidw]

[SUP]5[/SUP]The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.[SUP]6[/SUP]The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. [SUP]7[/SUP] [Genesis 6: 5-6]
1) Why did God create mankind, when he foreknew that mankind would cause Him so much sorrow?
2) Where was Satan, when God made the earth, and created man?

God is always the supreme , the almighty that always controls every things , if not then He surely is not God.
In His scriptures sometimes there , a word that lead us to guess that there was an uncontrollable event, but actually the purpose of that word is to teach us willingly to verify our selves.

Did God really regret? , No.
Those verses actually want to teach us that humans are really vanity creatures that from their own side there is nothing worthy in the eyes of God ( from humans effort there will never be the worthy work, from their own side always do filthy rags/ negative will , verse 5 “ was only evil all the time “ conforms further about it , humans will never be able to make their own vehicle that can bring them to the eternal realm in peace see: Rom3:10-12 Rom8:20, Isa64:6 ).

Explanation;
If God really “regrets” so started from Gen6:6 , God could anticipate the worsen situation, so surely the flood in Noah age not happened, if we make excuse that the situation already too bad that the catastrophe in Noah was necessity that inevitable , but how then followed by Sodom and Gomorrah catastrophe ? was it also inevitable ?, how then with 2Pet3:6-7 ?

2Pet3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

It is wise to know first : who God is, who are we, what’s for God creates us sojourning wandering prior in this perishable earth before reaching the eternity, where did we come from (spirit being/spirit abides in us/our spirit ) before we be here , in what state did we have that time , why didn’t God created all His plan at once ( all of us altogether in Adam and Eve age ).

1) Why did God create mankind, when he foreknew that mankind would cause Him so much sorrow?
Glorify Him.

Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Men can glorify Him , if Men understood that Salvation is by God’s Grace alone
, in order to make us understand about that , so God should teach us through His words written in the bible.


2) Where was Satan, when God made the earth, and created man?

Before created man , God had already created angels , some of them decided to rebel Him ---> Satan and his allies , this unclean spirit manifested in serpent in Eden.

 

[loveme1]

We are given some insight throughout the Bible.. of an evil rebellion..

We the creation can not know all things.. no we are to Trust our Creator in all things and through the New Covenant we are forgiven and reconciled..

We are mortal because we are to be regenerated with an incorruptible seed that gives life and not death.


In our newness we can say to the serpent on your bike.. we love and believe GOD.. He loves us and wants what is best for us.. We Trust GOD through His Son and the love shown pierces our heart.


Before we was dead and wandering.. listening to the serpent unknowingly who told us it's okay to do evil... but if you all think back you were being called out by the Light.. but you preferred darkness.. until that moment of remorse and regret came knowing you were evil and needed forgiveness... you needed saving from yourself.

GOD is always ahead and working Good.. but we can not know anything more than we are suppose to.. because it is meant to be that way...

a grain of dust can not behold the Truth and Goodness of such an Almighty Wonderful Creator... so Trust, love and obey and all will be well in the end.

peace and love.

 

[unobtrusive]

We are given some insight throughout the Bible.. of an evil rebellion..

We the creation can not know all things.. no we are to Trust our Creator in all things and through the New Covenant we are forgiven and reconciled..

We are mortal because we are to be regenerated with an incorruptible seed that gives life and not death.


In our newness we can say to the serpent on your bike.. we love and believe GOD.. He loves us and wants what is best for us.. We Trust GOD through His Son and the love shown pierces our heart.


Before we was dead and wandering.. listening to the serpent unknowingly who told us it's okay to do evil... but if you all think back you were being called out by the Light.. but you preferred darkness.. until that moment of remorse and regret came knowing you were evil and needed forgiveness... you needed saving from yourself.

GOD is always ahead and working Good.. but we can not know anything more than we are suppose to.. because it is meant to be that way...

a grain of dust can not behold the Truth and Goodness of such an Almighty Wonderful Creator... so Trust, love and obey and all will be well in the end.

peace and love.

"The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." (Deuteronomy 29:29) I wish more people knew this and many other things revealed. Many believe this book of the Bible has been made void.

 

[Johnny_B]

We need to be careful about what we say and how we say it when discussing Bible truth. Certainly God loved Noah first, as He does all of us. But to say that "Noah did not love God" is to contradict Scripture. Since Noah was found righteous before God, it is evident that Noah believed God, and it was counted to Him for righteousness. But Noah showed his love for God by obeying God, and that is how all believers should show their love for God. So Noah built an ark when there was no sign of any water surrounding him. Furthermore, Scripture calls him a preacher of righteousness, which means that he was preaching righteousness and repentance to all who would listen. Noah, Daniel, and Job are the three men whom God recognized as righteous when all others would be condemned (Ezekiel 14:14-20).

You are right, I was responding to the context of the idea that Noah loved God and that is why Noah found favor in the sight of God. In that context it was not that Noah loved God as the reason the Lord had favor for Noah.

You bring up Ezekiel 14:14-20, by the context of what we are talking about, I am going to assume that you are trying to say that these three men had a rightousness of their own before the Lord. Here's what I found on Daniel, could not find anything related on Job or Ezekiel.

Daniel 10:11 “And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly loved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for now I have been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling.”

Notice Daniel is greatly loved, the Lord always loves those that love Him first. Man is not capable of loving God without God loving him first and renewing mans heart to love God. Man does not even seek the Lord in his own strength.

Romans 3:9-18 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,10 as it is written:“None is righteous, no, not one;11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.”14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;16 in their paths are ruin and misery,17 and the way of peace they have not known.”18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Man in and of himself cannot please God, nor do they seek Him, they are His enemy, their minds are against the Lord, they hate Him.

Romans 1:28-32 "And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

Romans 8:5-8 "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

Any saint is loved by the Lord first, the example you used from Ezekiel 14 is about Jerusalem being judged and how the Lord would not spare anyone because of them. Ezekiel 14:15, 20 "even if these three men were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters. They alone would be delivered, but the land would be desolate....20 even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither son nor daughter. They would deliver but their own lives by their righteousness."

All of our rightousness comes from the Lord not from ourselves.

 

[John146]

Why did God choose Noah to save aboard the ark? It's all about the promised seed line of Genesis 3:15. Genesis 5 gives us that seed line generation and Noah was in that line. That line had not been corrupted by the sons of God. God kept that seed line perfect in its' generations. That's why Noah was saved. Satan was attacking the promised seed. God saved the promised seed.

 

[justoneman]

[SUP]5[/SUP]The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.[SUP]6[/SUP]The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. [SUP]7[/SUP] [Genesis 6: 5-6]
1) Why did God create mankind, when he foreknew that mankind would cause Him so much sorrow?
Genesis describes the animals of the waters being made before the animals of the land; this is consistent with the theory of evolution; the only difference is, man was created over hundreds of millions of years. This passage is just indicating that there is a process called natural selection, which this passage is likening to the heart of God being deeply troubled. It means the potential for civilizations to rise and become lethal to themselves is possible; and that such peoples are thus naturally full of evil and destroy themselves and/or God destroys them (same incident). Evolution is the pilot of creation, whereas natural selection is "local" to the consciousness of that species; the fit survive, the weak die off. In the case of civilized humans, this "evil" or "wickedness" is a potential outcome if humans choose wrong and evolve into... something else.
2) Where was Satan, when God made the earth, and created man?
Satan is not real; Satan is the controller of the mind: to the one who has lost control of his/her mind, it is as a result of "Satan", which is a fictional character used to denote deception; it is all internal.

If you are able to realize that you are not your body, you are not even your mind, as Jesus said, before Abraham I am; what you actually are transcends this existence entirely; it is only you are caught in a cycle of birth and death. Jesus gave instructions but I won't get into that because I don't see things the way most others do regarding those.

 

[dcontroversal]

If God has a want or need of, or from, anything or anyone, then He is not self-sufficient.

Just as a reference.......the word Babylon is a play on babel......so.....the king of Babylon is also the King of CONFUSION........and for sure Satan is the King of Confusion...........just saying

Literally the gate of the "GODS" ....this sows confusion about the one true God and opens the GATE to polytheism......just saying

 

[MarcR]

If God has a want or need of, or from, anything or anyone, then He is not self-sufficient.

God is indeed self-sufficient because His existence and well being do not depend on anything outside of Himself.

God gave mankind freewill because without freewill we have no capacity for love.

God desires that no person goes to Hell.

God desires that all people receive and return His love.

God realized before He gave us free will that by giving us freewill those desires would not be satisfied.

God is still self sufficient. God is still sovereign in that He retains the power to revoke freewill; but elects not to exercise that power because He wants us to be able to love.

 

[unobtrusive]

God is indeed self-sufficient because His existence and well being do not depend on anything outside of Himself.

God gave mankind freewill because without freewill we have no capacity for love.

God desires that no person goes to Hell.

God desires that all people receive and return His love.

God realized before He gave us free will that by giving us freewill those desires would not be satisfied.

God is still self sufficient. God is still sovereign in that He retains the power to revoke freewill; but elects not to exercise that power because He wants us to be able to love.

Without "free will" a reciprocatory love that He desires from us could never be. He is not a dictator unlike the spiritual evils that fights against Him and those of us who believe in Christ Jesus. Amen brother!!