Whose Faith? Ours or Jesus'?

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What I believe is:

God is love and invite every body include Buddhis, Hindu or muslim, or jew to believe in Him

He want us to speak to them about this invitation

Faith come from hearing It mean one must speak or write and If No body speak, God Himself speak. About How God himself speak, we can go to youtube and a Lot of testimonies from muslim country how God come in visions or dream.

God love every body and invite every body, If one go to hell, do not Blake God for not give them faith, God offer faith to every body because of love. If God harden one heart I do not believe because of hatred, hartred is again the Natur-E of God, It may because of that man is wicked so God harden his heart, like pharaoh, before God harden his heart, he already wicked.

God not a Cruel God, make a man than harden his heart without reason so He can send him to hell, and enjoy the mi seru of other ? He send His son to end and to save other from hell, not all the way around.

God not engineer people to go to hell and enjoy It. God sad when people to hell. I have a son, the devil work oN him, the last 3 months he do not believe in God anymore, and It make me sad, that is what happen with God, He sad to see people reject Him.

He love every body and offer every body a faith, but It is up to every body to accept It or not

and If only one among a thousand accept Him, all the angel in heaven make a big party.

Can you imagine Jesus Said If one accept Him all the angel in heaven Happy and celebrate It with big party, than behind the screen God engineer people go to hell? What a Lie God is. Publicly He show His great longing to save all people, behind the screen He engineer people to go to hell.

I do not think It what God did.

Yes He choose people, but It is not oN random basis. He choose WHO believe or potential believe
Maybe we just came to God and met God differently. :)
Because it was so sudden and drastic for me, I am firmly aware that in one moment I was blind and in the next moment I saw. I didn't choose to see. I just did. I don't think blind men can just make a choice one day to see. But we all come from our own experience of how we met God and we can't help that. Then we struggle with some scripture until He opens it for us. :)
 

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Maybe we just came to God and met God differently. :)
Because it was so sudden and drastic for me, I am firmly aware that in one moment I was blind and in the next moment I saw. I didn't choose to see. I just did. I don't think blind men can just make a choice one day to see. But we all come from our own experience of how we met God and we can't help that. Then we struggle with some scripture until He opens it for us. :)
blind man can hear, and blind man make a choise base oN faith. If you see a car, and I ask you : do you see a car? You do not need faith to say yes I see a car.

but If you blind and I tell you there is a car in front you, than you need a faith to believe it

and It is a choice whether you believe or not.
 

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Maybe we just came to God and met God differently. :)
Because it was so sudden and drastic for me, I am firmly aware that in one moment I was blind and in the next moment I saw. I didn't choose to see. I just did. I don't think blind men can just make a choice one day to see. But we all come from our own experience of how we met God and we can't help that. Then we struggle with some scripture until He opens it for us. :)
Yes, we all have different experiences in life. I'm from the Bible Belt so I've known about Jesus all of my life...and always believed that he was real. Yet I wasn't always saved. When God began calling me, I didn't immediately accept him either. I went through conviction for about a week...The Lord was calling me, but the enemy was trying his best to hold on to me and keep me from accepting God's call. There was a strong Spiritual battle going on within me... but when I finally stepped out on faith and asked the Lord to forgive me and told him that I wanted him in my life more than anything else, he came in and filled me with his love and gave me peace like I had never known before that.

I think that's what Jesus was talking about when he said we have to count the cost in Luke 14. When we think about it Jesus already paid the price so all we have to do is be willing to believe, and accept him into our lives above all else. That's my experience anyhow :)
 
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I favor the two major pre-reformation reformers. Jan Huss and Meno Simons.

Calvin impaled the heads of those who disagreed with him on his picket fence. This is hardly what Jesus had in mind when he told us to love our enemies. Luther persecuted the Jewish people; which is totally contrary to Hos chapter 2 and Jeremiah chapter 34. I prefer to learn from those whose lives portray a lifestyle of obedience.
I knew some things of John Calvin, but until I read your post I hadn't looked much into it, yes John Calvin was a murderer he was a sick man and executed around 60 people for things like, if one believed Jesus died for everyone or didn't believe in baby baptism off to the gallows they went, the whole Calvinist doctrine spawned out of the unwillingness of John Calvin to forgive.
he struggled with forgiveness, he disagreed with some of the Catholic doctrine and yea some of things they do is wrong IMO.

the Catholics called him a heretic and banned him from speaking in their churches, that made him even more mad and angry and he was already struggled with forgiveness. satan tickled his ear and gave him a false way out, the whole predestined the elect in that some are chosen and some are going to hell no matter what, that brought him comfort to not forgive others, no point in forgiving if their already condemned, very sick doctrine. a lot of people are drawn to this doctrine especially if they struggle with forgiveness the Calvinist doctrine is a easy way out to not forgive the people who have done them wrong.

Calvinist believers can pick and choose who they forgive and except. Simplied the Calvinist doctrine is a doctrine of unforgiveness, a evil doctrine for sure.
 

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I encourage you to eat at KFC. Great food, might be a little high on the calories but it is delicious let me tell you. Take the whole bucket.
I'm from KY so I agree with most of what you said there. But l just like the skin off it...LOL

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Calvinist believers can pick and choose who they forgive and except. Simplied the Calvinist doctrine is a doctrine of unforgiveness, a evil doctrine for sure.

If a person puts his faith in that seen, what kind of forgiveness should they expect?

Whats a Calvinist believer. Calvin's is dead?

Can we put out trust in men by having a faith coming from them?

When the apostles were not given the spiritual understanding of a parable when Christ spoke . They would look for another object seen to draw faith from . Every-time this occurred forgetting Christ who was standing in front of them they would play... "who is the greatest". After the third time he rebuked them and declared to them ..You know not what manner of spirit you are of

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What would a dead man have to do with the living faith of Christ? Christ causes the growth if there is any.

1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
 
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Yeah, I like this thread as well because CC is really the first place that I have heard this concept of Jesus faith vs. Personal faith.

Here is some of my thoughts on it though:
1 John 2 (KJV)
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The Bible plainly says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. I’m definitely not saying that the whole world will be saved, but that as many as believe in him will be saved.

Now, I can’t see why Jesus would have died for the whole world if he was just going to give or allow only some people to have faith and not others…That just don’t make any sense to me. I think this is where free will comes into play… because I don’t think God is going to force anyone to believe in him, and I also don’t believe he is going to specifically withhold or not give faith to anyone else.

Jesus died for everyone and we all will have an opportunity and chance, but it’s on us whether we accept it or not. And of course God already knows who will and who won’t, but it is our own choice to accept it or not.
I think what is meant by he died for the whole world (natural unconverted man) is not just for the Christian world under the authority of, as it is written but everyone that has not been born again by the faith that comes from hearing God. The faith of God our faithful Creator . the incorruptible seed, it applies to all the kingdoms of this world.


The same applies with Satan who deceives the whole world and not just those who name the name Jesus..
 
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If a person puts his faith in that seen, what kind of forgiveness should they expect?

Whats a Calvinist believer. Calvin's is dead?

Can we put out trust in men by having a faith coming from them?

When the apostles were not given the spiritual understanding of a parable when Christ spoke . They would look for another object seen to draw faith from . Every-time this occurred forgetting Christ who was standing in front of them they would play... "who is the greatest". After the third time he rebuked them and declared to them ..You know not what manner of spirit you are of

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What would a dead man have to do with the living faith of Christ? Christ causes the growth if there is any.

1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Not sure I'm understanding (the faith in that seen how much forgiveness should one expect) please explain if you don't mind?

Yes I agree Calvinist is a evil created doctrine.
 

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I think what is meant by he died for the whole world (natural unconverted man) is not just for the Christian world under the authority of, as it is written but everyone that has not been born again by the faith that comes from hearing God. The faith of God our faithful Creator . the incorruptible seed, it applies to all the kingdoms of this world.


The same applies with Satan who deceives the whole world and not just those who name the name Jesus..
This is going to be a hard one to just sum up my belief and shorten down so please bear with me here:

I believe the Word is nigh all of us and that all will hear the Word of Truth but not all choose to believe it with their whole heart and obey it.
Romans 10
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But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


I think at some point he makes his self known (draws all men) to everyone whether they are seeking him or not. I think we will all have a chance to hear the Word, (the Word is nigh thee) but it is our choice to be obedient and accept it or not. Israel heard the Word but they were disobedient and did not accept it...

 
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Now we get off into a whole new area...think about the following...

a. MANY are called but few chosen <---MANY is not ALL
b. The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. <--Does this sound like they have a chance?

God would have all men be saved and come to the truth, but he also knows the choice and fate of every man....Judas is a prime example....
This is why I continue to study this out, because I do not see that God gives faith to just a few. That starts to go down the predestination/election road and that God chooses some and not others, which would then make him a respecter of persons.

I do agree that God knows in advance who will choose him and who will not. That is not in dispute.
 
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This is why I continue to study this out, because I do not see that God gives faith to just a few. That starts to go down the predestination/election road and that God chooses some and not others, which would then make him a respecter of persons.

I do agree that God knows in advance who will choose him and who will not. That is not in dispute.
Good post Sir, and I agree as well, God is the beginning and end, the alpha and the omega, And God knows everything in between. There's a account in the OT when God paused the sun for a day to allow the events to unfold, this in my opinion is the same way God works in our lives, a paused moment in time to wait for us to make a choice of our own free will, though we as people never see the pause it's not of our clocks on the wall per say or our concept of time, for time is no boundary to God for God created time as we know it and He controls time for His purpose and reasons.
 
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What I said above is the only best way I know how to explain with a bible account and with my own language what it is and of free will personal choices we make in life even though God already knows those choices we will make in life.
 
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Here's a example IMO of how fast God moves, the speed of lightening is comparable to that of the snails pace compared to Godspeed.
 

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We are all without excuse. We deserve to die simply because of whose children we were.

And when pride of life blinded me too, I was also without excuse, but He healed my blindness and saved me anyway. :)
Is it just a matter of being presented with the truth?

One can be presented with truth and refuse it.

We see it all the time, in fact (the rejection of truth).

That is the beauty of God doing things in His own time, for
He knows if and when we are ready or in need of the truth.

Yet, we are still required to accept it :)
 
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Is it just a matter of being presented with the truth?

One can be presented with truth and refuse it.

We see it all the time, in fact (the rejection of truth).

That is the beauty of God doing things in His own time, for
He knows if and when we are ready or in need of the truth.

Yet, we are still required to accept it :)
Hmm...no, I don't think it's just a matter of being presented with the truth. I had caught parts of the gospel all my life - when flipping channels, when glancing at a booklet I'd been given in a mall somewhere - in fact, I'm not sure one can grow up in the U.S. and not hear, at the very least, John 3:16, quite a few times in their life. But I was blind and deaf, so I didn't see or hear, despite all of this.

So I think a man must be healed of the blindness and deafness he was born with before he can see or hear. I guess you could say the man THEN can make a choice, but...I don't know why a man would choose to not believe what he has seen and heard and now knows to be true...this is different than areas of unbelief that remain which He confronts us with and brings us through - it's seeing and hearing and knowing that something is true and yet saying you don't believe as true what you now know to be true, which I can't fathom. It would be like if...Paul/Saul saw that light and heard that voice on the road and then, despite knowing what he heard and saw, said he didn't believe what he saw and heard. My mind can't grasp it. I don't think a man would do it (say he just didn't accept it).
 

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Hmm...no, I don't think it's just a matter of being presented with the truth. I had caught parts of the gospel all my life - when flipping channels, when glancing at a booklet I'd been given in a mall somewhere - in fact, I'm not sure one can grow up in the U.S. and not hear, at the very least, John 3:16, quite a few times in their life. But I was blind and deaf, so I didn't see or hear, despite all of this.

So I think a man must be healed of the blindness and deafness he was born with before he can see or hear. I guess you could say the man THEN can make a choice, but...I don't know why a man would choose to not believe what he has seen and heard and now knows to be true...this is different than areas of unbelief that remain which He confronts us with and brings us through - it's seeing and hearing and knowing that something is true and yet saying you don't believe as true what you now know to be true, which I can't fathom. It would be like if...Paul/Saul saw that light and heard that voice on the road and then, despite knowing what he heard and saw, said he didn't believe what he saw and heard. My mind can't grasp it. I don't think a man would do it (say he just didn't accept it).
I understand what you are saying here…God showed himself to Paul and Paul became a believer...but in my opinion Paul also had to accept it. Yes, he knew that God was real and had blinded him, but it was still up to him to accept and obey God or not.

My mind goes back to Pharaoh…How many times did God send Moses to Pharaoh and tell him to Let His People go? How many signs and wonders (plaques) did he show to Pharaoh, yet Pharaoh chose to harden his heart. Just like Paul, he saw evidence that God was real, but he lifted himself up in pride and would not obey God.

Pharaoh heard the word of God and saw evidence (God made himself known to him), but he would not accept it and became a reprobate. And yes, God knew exactly what choices Pharaoh was going to make, but we can’t say Pharaoh wasn’t given an opportunity…. Pharaoh would not listen and did not accept God!
 

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I've been hearing a lot about how the faith we have is not our faith, but it's the faith of Jesus. I was just wondering what scriptures would validate this teaching? I have never heard this until I came here to CC. Does anyone know when this teaching began? Is it a denominational teaching?


I believe it's our own faith and have been taught this and as I said, it's not something I've ever heard before. Actually there are so many things I've never heard before until I came here.


I've been pondering this for a while now. I was going to bring it up in our women's bible study I'm a part of, but we need all the time for the study. But I don't really think they've heard this before either.


Thanks! :)
SaveSave


It's Christ's faithful work & our faith placed in it


Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by "faith of Jesus Christ" unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
(NOTE: The Faith OF Christ)


Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the "faith of Christ" and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: It's the Faith OF Christ and thru the righteousness of Christ's faith. Christ becomes the Lord our righteousness. And God justifies us "Declares us Righteous in His sight". And then imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us & and our sins onto Christ. When we place our faith in a sinless Christ's redemptive, sin atoning sacrifice. Found in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus the Christ)


Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
(NOTE: It's our Faith placed in Christ's work)


Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence (SIN) of one (ADAM) judgment came upon all men to condemnation (DEATH) even so by the righteousness of one (JESUS) the free gift (RIGHTEOUSNESS) came upon all men unto justification of life.


Its Jesus Faith that wins the battle. Adam sinned against God's Laws. Jesus was Faithful to God's Laws.


We access Gods Grace thru Faith (Rom 5:2) placed in Christ's finished redemptive sin atoning sacrificial work. Found in Christ's death, burial & resurrection. Then God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us & transfers/imputes our sins onto Christ. See this process in Lev 4)
 

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And and it conveys the wrong idea. The word translated as "by" is the Greek word dia which means "through" and the word translated as "of" is the word "in". Thus it is not the faith "of" Christ but faith "in" Christ,

Strong's Concordance
dia: through, on account of, because of
Original Word: διά
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: dia
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ah')
Short Definition: through, on account of
Definition: (a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.

So it is really "through faith in Jesus Christ" and that is how the NASV, NIV, ASV, RV, Holman Christian Standard Bible etc. have it. This is consistent with Gospel truth.

However, Calvinists falsely claim that the gift of God mentioned in Ephesians 2:8 is faith, whereas the verse says that it is salvation, which is not of works, but because of the grace of God, and our faith in Him and in Christ and His finished work of redemption. So where does this faith come from?

Faith is generated by the Gospel itself, which is called "the Word of God", so faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17). But the Gospel is never allowed to remain in isolation from the Holy Spirit, who convinces sinners that Christ died for them according to the Scripture, and rose again for their justification according to the Scriptures. And this is "saving faith". Whenever the full and true Gospel is preached, it is "the power of God unto salvation to them that believe".

But then, there is the spiritual gift of faith (1 Cor 12:9) which is given to some believers, and this would probably be an extraordinary faith to accomplish things for God. But we should also keep in mind that all one needs is faith as a grain of mustard seed in order to move mountains.

This shows the problems that arise when a concordance is used in place of a lexicon!

Please excuse the long excerpt. It is necessary to show how a lexicon differs from a concordance.

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NT:1223 dia/ ("written ‎di) ‎before a vowel, except in proper names and 2 Cor 5:7; Rom 8:10" Tdf. Proleg., p. 94), akin to ‎di/$ ‎and Latin dis in composition, properly, denoting a division into two or more parts; a preposition taking the genitive and the accusative. In its use the biblical writers differ in no respect from the Greek; cf. Winer's Grammar, 377ff (353ff); 398 (372)f
A. with the genitive: through;
I. of place;
1. properly, after verbs denoting an extension, or a motion, or an act, that occurs through any place: ‎di) ‎‎a&llh$ ‎‎o(dou= ‎‎a)naxwrei=n‎, Matt 2:12; ‎di) ‎‎a)nu/drwn ‎‎to/pwn‎, Matt 12:43; ‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎Samarei/a$‎, John 4:4; ‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎qu/ra$‎, John 10:1f; add, Matt 19:24; Mark 2:23; 10:25; 11:16; Luke 4:30; 5:19; 18:25; 2 Cor 11:33; Heb 9:11; 11:29, etc.; ‎di) ‎‎u(mw=n‎, through your city, Rom 15:28; (on ‎dia/ ‎‎pa/ntwn‎, Acts 9:32, see ‎pa=$‎, II. 1); ‎o( ‎‎dia/ ‎‎pa/ntwn‎, diffusing his saving influence through all, Eph 4:6; ‎sw/|zesqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎puro/$‎, 1 Cor 3:15; ‎diasw/|zesqai ‎‎di) ‎‎u%dato$‎, 1 Peter 3:20 (Ev. Nicod. c. 9, p. 568f, Thilo edition (p. 228, Tdf. edition) ‎dia/ ‎‎qala/ssh$ ‎‎w($ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎chra=$‎); ‎ble/lpein ‎‎di) ‎‎e)so/ptrou‎, 1 Cor 13:12 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 380 (356)). Add the adverbial phrase ‎di) ‎‎o%lou ‎from top to bottom, throughout, John 19:23 (metaphorically, in every way, 1 Macc 6:18). From this use of the preposition has come
2. its tropical use of state or condition in which (properly, passing through which as through a space) one does or suffers something, where we, with a different conception, employ with, in, etc. (German bei, unter, mit): ‎o( ‎‎dia/ ‎‎gra/mmato$ ‎‎kai/ ‎‎peritomh=$ ‎‎paraba/th$ ‎‎no/mou‎, Rom 2:27 (Winer's Grammar, 380 (355)); ‎oi( ‎‎pisteu/onte$ ‎:2di) ‎‎a)krobusti/a$ ‎who believe, though uncircumcised (see ‎a)krobusti/a‎, a.), Rom 4:11; ‎dia/ ‎‎prosko/mmato$ ‎‎e)sqi/ein‎, with offence, or so as to be an offence (cf. Winer's Grammar, 380 (356), and see ‎pro/skomma‎), Rom 14:20; ‎dia/ ‎‎pi/stew$ ‎‎peripatei=n‎, ‎ou) ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ei&dou$ ‎(see ‎ei@do$‎, 1), 2 Cor 5:7; ‎ta/ ‎‎dia/ ‎(Lachmann marginal reading (cf. Tr marginal reading) ‎ta/ ‎‎i)di/a| ‎(see Meyer at the passage)) ‎tou= ‎‎sw/mato$‎;, done in the body (i. e. while we were clothed with our earthly body (others take ‎dia/ ‎here instrumentally; see III. 2 below)), 2 Cor 5:10; ‎dia/ ‎‎pollw=n ‎‎dakru/wn‎, 2 Cor 2:4; ‎dia/ ‎‎do/ch$‎, clothed with glory, 2 Cor 3:11; ‎e&rxesqai‎, ‎e)ise/rxesqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ti/no$ ‎with a thing, Heb 9:12; 1 John 5:6 (but cf. Winer's Grammar, 380 (355)); ‎di) ‎‎u(pomonh=$‎, Rom 8:25 (‎dia/ ‎‎pe/nqou$ ‎‎to/ ‎‎gh=ra$ ‎‎dia/gein‎, Xenophon, Cyril 4, 6, 6; cf. Mattiae ii., p. 1353).
II. of Time (cf. Winer's Grammar, 380 (356); Ellicott or Meyer on Gal 2:1; Fritzsche as below);
1. of continued time; hence, a. of the time throughout (during) which anything is done: Matt 26:61; Mark 14:58; ‎di) ‎‎o%lh$ ‎(‎th=$ ‎R G) ‎nukto/$‎, Luke 5:5; ‎dia/ ‎‎panto/$ ‎‎tou= ‎‎zh=n‎, Heb 2:15; ‎dia/ ‎‎panto/$ ‎(so L WH Tr (except Mark 5:5; Luke 24:53)), or written together ‎diapanto/$ ‎(so G T (except in Matt.); cf. Winer's Grammar, 46 (45); Lipsius, Gram. Unters., p. 125), continually, always: Matt 18:10; Mark 5:5; Luke 24:53; Acts 2:25 (from Ps 15:8 * (16:8)); 10:2; 24:16; Rom 11:10 (from Ps 68:24 * (69:24 )); 2 Thess 3:16; Heb 9:6; 13:15 (often in Greek writings). b. of the time within which a thing is done: ‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎nukto/$ ‎(L T Tr WH ‎dia/ ‎‎nukto/$‎), by night, Acts 5:19; 16:9; 17:10; 23:31, (Palaeph. 1, 10); ‎di) ‎‎h(merw=n ‎‎tessara/konta‎, repeatedly within the space of forty days, Acts 1:3; — (denying this use of the preposition, C. F. A. Fritzsche in Fritzschiorum Opuscc., p. 164f would refer these instances to the use noted under a. (see Winer's, Ellicott, Meyer as above)).

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2. of time elapsed, and which has, so to say, been passed through: Gal 2:1 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 380 (356)); ‎di) ‎‎h(merw=n ‎(some) days having intervened, after (some) days, Mark 2:1; ‎di) ‎‎e)tw=n ‎‎pleio/nwn‎, Acts 24:17; examples from Greek authors in Fritzsche on Mark, p. 50; (Winer's Grammar, 380 (356); Liddell and Scott, under the word, A. II. 2; Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word, 2; Field, Otium Norv. iii, p. 14).
III. of the Means or Instrument by which anything is effected; because what is done by means of person or thing seems to pass as it were through the same (cf. Winer's Grammar, 378 (354)).
1. of one who is the author of the action as well as its instrument, or of the efficient cause: ‎di) ‎‎au)tou= ‎(i. e. ‎tou= ‎‎Qeou=‎) ‎ta/ ‎‎pa/nta ‎namely, ‎e)stin ‎or ‎e)ge/neto‎, Rom 11:36; also ‎di) ‎‎ou!‎, Heb 2:10; ‎di) ‎‎ou! ‎‎e)klh/qhte‎, 1 Cor 1:9; add (Gal 4:7 L T Tr WH, see below); Heb 7:21 (‎h( ‎‎i)atrikh ‎‎pa=sa ‎‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎Qeou= ‎‎tou/tou‎, i. e. Aesculapius, ‎kubernatai‎, Plato, symp., p. 186 e.; cf. Fritzsche on Romans, vol. i., p. 15 (and for examples Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word, 1)); of him to whom that is due which anyone has or has done; hence equivalent to by the fault of anyone: ‎di) ‎‎ou! ‎‎to/ ‎‎ska/ndalon ‎‎e&rxetai‎, Matt 18:7; ‎di) ‎‎e(no/$ ‎‎a)nqrw/pou ‎‎h( ‎‎a(marti/a ‎... ‎ei)sh=lqe‎, Rom 5:12, cf. Rom 5:16-19; ‎h)sqe/nei ‎‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎sarko/$‎, Rom 8:3; by the merit, aid, favor of anyone: ‎e)n ‎‎zwh/ ‎‎basileu/sousi ‎‎dia/‎, etc. Rom 5:17, cf. Rom 5:18; 1 Cor 15:21; ‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, and the like: Rom 5:1f Rom 5:11; Acts 10:43; Gal 4:7 (Rec., but see above); ‎doka/zein ‎‎to/n ‎‎Qeo/n ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ )Ihsou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, 1 Peter 4:11, and ‎eu)xaristei=n ‎‎tw=| ‎‎Qew=| ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ )Ihsou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, Rom 1:8; 7:25 (where L T Tr WH text ‎xa/ri$ ‎‎tw=| ‎‎Qew=|‎); Col 3:17 — because the possibility both of glorifying God and of giving thanks to him is due to the kindness of Christ: ‎kauxa=sqai ‎‎e)n ‎‎tw=| ‎‎Qew=| ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ )Ihsou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, Rom 5:11; ‎a)napau/esqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ti/no$‎, Philem 7; ‎oi( ‎‎pepisteuko/te$ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎xaristo$‎, Acts 18:27; ‎pollh=$ ‎‎ei)rh/nh$ ‎‎tugxa/nonte$ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎sou ‎... ‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎sh/$ ‎‎pronoi/a$‎, Acts 24:2 (3); ‎u(pernikan ‎‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎a)gaph/santo$ ‎‎h(ma=$‎, Rom 8:37; ‎perisseu/ein ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ti/no$‎, by the increase which comes from one, Phil 1:26; 2 Cor 1:5; 9:12; ‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎u(mw=n ‎‎deh/sew$‎, Phil 1:19; add, Philem 22 Rom 1:12; 2 Cor 1:4; Gal 4:23; 1 Peter 1:5.
2. of the instrument used to accomplish a thing, or of the instrumental cause in the stricter sense: — with the genitive of person by the service, the intervention of, anyone; with the genitive of thing, "by means of with the help of, anything; a. in passages where a subject expressly mentioned is said to do or to have done a thing by some person or by some thing: Mark 16:20 (‎tou= ‎‎kuri/ou ‎‎to/n ‎‎lo/gon ‎‎bebaiou=nto$ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎tw=n ‎‎shmei/wn‎); Luke 1:70; Acts 1:16; 2:22 (‎te/rasi ‎‎kai/ ‎‎shmei/oi$‎, ‎oi!$ ‎‎e)poi/hse ‎‎di) ‎‎au)tou= ‎‎o( ‎‎Qeo/$‎); Acts 8:20; 10:36; 15:28 (‎gra/yante$ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎xeiro/$ ‎‎au)tw=n‎); Acts 20:28; 21:19; 28:25; Rom 2:16; 3:31; 7:13; (8:11 Rec.bez elz L edition min. T WH text); Rom 15:18; 16:18; 1 Cor 1:21 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 381 (357)); 1 Cor 2:10; 4:15; 6:14; 14:9,19 (R G); 15:57; 2 Cor 1:4; 4:14 R G; 5:18,20; 9:13 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 381 (357)); 10:9; 12:17; Eph 1:5; 2:16; Col 1:20,22; 2:8; 1 Thess 4:14; 2 Thess 2:14; Titus 3:5; Heb 1:2,3 (R G); 2:14; 6:12; 7:19; 9:26; 13:2,12,15,21; Rev 1:1; ‎gh= ‎‎e)c ‎‎u%dato$ ‎(material cause) ‎kai/ ‎‎di) ‎‎u%dato$ ‎‎sunestw=sa ‎‎tw=| ‎‎tou= ‎‎Qeou= ‎‎lo/gw|‎, 2 Peter 3:5 (Winer's Grammar, 419 (390) cf. 217 (204)). b. in passages in which the author or principal cause is not mentioned, but is easily understood from the nature of the case, or from the context: Rom 1:12; 1 Cor 11:12 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 381 (357)); Phil 1:20; 1 Thess 3:7; 2 Thess 2:2,15; Heb 11:39 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above, also § 50, 3); 12:11,15; 1 Peter 1:7; ‎dia/ ‎‎pollw=n ‎‎martu/rwn‎, by the mediation (intervention) of many witnesses, they being summoned for that purpose (cf. Winer's Grammar, 378 (354); A. V. among), 2 Tim 2:2. Where it is evident from the religious conceptions of the Bible that God is the author or first cause: John 11:4; Acts 5:12; Eph 3:10; 4:16; Col 2:19; 2 Tim 1:6; Heb 10:10; 2 Peter 3:6; ‎sw/|zesqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎pi/stew$‎, Eph 2:8; ‎sunegei/resqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎pi/stew$‎, Col 2:12; ‎dikaiou=sqai ‎‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎pi/stew$‎, Gal 2:16, cf. Rom 3:30; in the phrases ‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎ )Ihsou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, and the like: John 1:17; 3:17; Acts 13:38; Rom 1:5; 5:9; 1 Cor 15:57; 1 John 4:9; Phil 1:11; ‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎eu)aggeli/ou‎, 1 Cor 15:2; Eph 3:6; ‎dia/ ‎‎lo/gou ‎‎Qeou=‎, 1 Peter 1:23, cf. 1 Peter 1:3; ‎dia/ ‎‎no/mou‎, Rom 3:27; 4:13; ‎di) ‎‎a)pokalu/yew$ ‎‎ )Ihsou= ‎‎Xristou=‎, Gal 1:12, cf. Gal 1:15f; ‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎(‎a(gi/ou‎) ‎pneu/mato$‎, Rom 5:5; 1 Cor 7:8; Eph 3:16; ‎pisteu/ein ‎‎dia/ ‎‎ti/no$ ‎(see ‎pisteu/w‎, 1 b. ‎g‎), John 1:7; 1 Cor 3:5; ‎shmei=on ‎‎ge/gone ‎‎di) ‎‎au)tw=n‎, Acts 4:16; ‎o( ‎‎lo/go$ ‎‎di) ‎‎a)gge/lwn ‎‎lalhqei/$‎, Heb 2:2, cf. Gal 3:19; ‎o( ‎‎no/mo$ ‎‎dia/ ‎‎Mwu+se/w$ ‎‎e)do/qh‎, John 1:17; in passages in which something is said to have been spoken through the O. T. prophets, or some one of them (cf. Lightfoot Fresh Revision etc., p. 121f): Matt 2:5,17 L T Tr WH, Matt 2:23; (Matt 3:3 L T Tr WH); Matt 4:14; 8:17; 12:17; 21:4; 24:15; 27:9; Acts 2:16; or to have been so written: Luke 18:31; with the added mention of the first cause: ‎u(po/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎kuri/ou ‎‎dia/ ‎‎tou= ‎‎profh/tou‎, Matt 1:22; 2:15, cf. Luke 1:70; Acts 1:16; 28:25; Rom 1:2; in passages relating to the Logos: ‎pa/nta ‎‎di) ‎‎au)tou= ‎(i. e., through the Divine Logos (cf. Winer's Grammar, 379 (355))) ‎e)ge/neto ‎or ‎e)kti/sqh‎: John 1:3; 1 Cor 8:6 (where he is expressly distinguished from the first cause: ‎e)c ‎‎au)tou= ‎(Winer's Grammar, 419 (391))); Col 1:16 (Winer's Grammar, the passage cited), cf. Heb 1:2 (Philo de cherub. § 35). The instrumental cause and the principal are distinguished in 1 Cor 11:12 (‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎gunaiko/$ ‎... ‎e)k ‎‎tou= ‎‎Qeou=‎); Gal 1:1 (‎a)p' ‎‎a)nqrw/pwn ‎... ‎di) ‎‎a)nqrw/pou ‎(cf. Winer's Grammar, 418 (390))).
3. with the genitive of a thing ‎dia/ ‎is used to denote the manner in which a thing is done, or the formal cause: ‎ei@pe ‎‎dia/ ‎‎parabolh=$‎, Luke 8:4; ‎ei@pe ‎‎di) ‎‎o(rmato$‎, Acts 18:9; ‎a)pagge/llein ‎‎dia/ ‎‎lo/gou‎, by word of mouth, Acts 15:27; ‎tw=| ‎‎lo/gw| ‎‎di) ‎‎e)pistolw=n‎, 2 Cor 10:11, cf. 2 Thess 2:15; ‎pi/sti$ ‎‎e)nergoume/nh ‎‎di) ‎‎a)ga/ph$‎, Gal 5:6; ‎kexa/ristai ‎‎di) ‎‎e)paggeli/a$‎, Gal 3:18; ‎douleu/ein ‎‎dia/ ‎‎th=$ ‎‎a)ga/ph$‎, Gal 5:13; ‎e)piste/llein ‎‎dia/ ‎‎braxe/wn‎, Heb 13:22; ‎gra/fein ‎‎di) ‎‎o)li/gwn‎, 1 Peter 5:12 (Plato, Gorgias, p. 449 b. ‎dia/ ‎‎makrw=n ‎‎lo/gou$ ‎‎poiei=sqai ‎(see ‎o)li/go$‎, at the end; cf. Winer's Grammar, § 51, 1 b.)); ‎dia/ ‎‎xa/rtou ‎‎kai/ ‎‎me/lano$‎, 2 John 12; ‎dia/ ‎‎me/lano$ ‎‎kai/ ‎‎kala/mou‎, 3 John 13 (Plutarch, Sol. 17, 3). To this head I should refer also the use of ‎dia/ ‎‎ti/no$ ‎in exhortations etc. where one seeks to strengthen his exhortation by the mention of a thing or a person held sacred by those whom he is admonishing (‎dia/ ‎equivalent to by an allusion to, by reminding you of (cf. Winer's Grammar, 381 (357))): Rom 12:1 15:30; 1 Cor 1:10; 2 Cor 10:1; 1 Thess 4:2 (yet cf. Winer's Grammar, 379 (355) note); 2 Thess 3:12 R G.

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In this verse we are NOT dealing with place or time! This is about INSTRUMENTALITY or AGENCY.