Whose Faith? Ours or Jesus'?

[MarcR]

There's just too many "your faiths" in the new testament for me:

Many passages indeed speak of our faith because after it has been given to us it is indeed ours.

As Angela pointed out: while there are indeed many passages that do indeed speak of our faith, our lack of faith, and our failure to exercise the faith we have; there are also important passages that speak of His faithfulness, and of where our faith comes from.

 

[MarcR]

so you believe

in order to save, you had to have a faith

in order to have a faith, God must give you a faith

why God give open invitation in john 3:16.

I think God honest when He say who ever believe in Him will save.

i can not imagine if one invite who ever come to my house I will give $100 and the inviter make only 2person come.

the inviter announce the invitation for all. And the inviter ask His emplyoyees to spread the invitation to all nation.

Matt 28
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

to me these verse show that the inviter interested to save all, though there is requirement. The requirement is believe

This is NOT about limited atonement! This is about what do the words ' by faith Jesus' Christ's' actually mean.

 

[MarcR]

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As it stands now, not only are you twisting what you said the first time, but you're twisting what I said to 1ofthem into something about you.Nah!

From now on, how about just asking what you really want to know -- can you blame WoiF for this one too?

Sorry. No idea, but this Calvinist is out of here.

I'm tired of this crap! When someone can't even tell she did ask that and blames it on me? Nah! Enjoy your little worldview.
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Lynn,

I'm genuinely fond of you; and I have often said I appreciate your presence on the forum. I was one of many who urged you to stay when you were ready to leave.

I think you are flat out wrong here. DR is one of the most direct and straightforward people on the forum.

If you have differing understandings of what is said; I think you will do to presume an honest misunderstanding on both your parts.

Neither you nor DR are in the habit of twisting either your own words or those of others!

 

[FlyingDove]

Faith OF Christ, Our Faith IN Christ & Righteousness

Scripture The Faith OF Christ

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Our Faith Placed In His Faithfulness

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Gen 15:6 Abraham believed in the LORD; and the LORD counted it to Abraham for righteousness.

Rom 4:9
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's "faith was credited to him as righteousness

Rom 4:22 Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness

Gal 3:6 So also Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

19 Believing that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead

Christ Our Righteouness

Zec 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[garee]

It all depends on whose work of faith works to make it possible to believe who.? It is the work of God that we can believe Him not seen . He alone is the source of Christ faith a mutual faith that works in all who do become born again

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Joh 6:28

Its not a work of our own self as those who have no faith in respect to the things not seen of God

From my experiences most people shy away from talking about the faith that belongs exclusively to God as if he did not have to believe something to be true before he performed the work .Faith is a work.



That faith in Chapter 11 of Hebrew is in reference to Him not the creation . Without His faith working in us no man could please God . He is the rewarder as the one who pays the wage, as he rewards us with his grace we can believe Him not seen .

That faith in hebrews 11 is not of the imaginations of our own heart it cannot seek anything past our nose (walking by sight)

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Natural man separated from God is considered a forward generation the generation of Adam. They are considered children in with no faith. What they do have is the imaginations of their own fleshly minds. Which is not a source of faith .God is the source that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very forward generation, children in whom is no faith.

The froward generation have no new spirit that will never die and will be raised on the last day .They have no understanding of God and therefore no faith to seek after Him.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Co 2:13

When the word faith is being used in the scriptures it must be determined where it comes from who is the author and finisher. In the scriptures it is always in respect to the spiritual unseen things of God that pertain to the gospel .

So the faith that comes from a new born again spirit becomes ours as a free gift . We have it in these earthen vessels of death but are never to assume that faith by which we can hear God as he works in the believer to both will ad do his good pleasure. Therefore giving us the desires of our new heart soul and mind

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

So the faith we do have does belong to us it is just not of us, or from us . No man can serve two masters

 

[Nehemiah6]

It all depends on whose work of faith works to make it possible to believe who.? It is the work of God that we can believe Him not seen . He alone is the source of Christ faith a mutual faith that works in all who do become born again

There is no need to make things complicated when this is really a very simple matter. The Gospel is from God and the Holy Spirit uses the Gospel to generate faith in sinners so that they will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Just go to Acts 16 and see that there is nothing complicated about this matter. A frightened man asked Paul and Silas "What must I do to be saved?" and the answer was simply "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house". Did the man believe? Of course he did. Did his household believe? Of course they did. And because they believed they were all baptized around midnight.

When people start listening to theologians it generally leads to complex answers for simple questions. That is why there is so much confusion about saving faith.