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posthuman

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#61
@ph 3hrs in a watch

3 hours in a Roman watch of the night -- as in Matthew 14:25 -- there are 4 watches in a ((12hr)) night. Matthew is keeping time according to the standard Roman division of the evening.

but 4 hours in the Hebrew watch, 3 per 12-hr night, when Psalm 90 was written ((see Lamentations 2:19, Judges 7:19, and 1 Samuel 11:11 -- in Hebrew reckoning, there is a 'first' and a 'middle' and a 'last' or 'morning' watch)). during the Roman occupation, the number of 'standard' watches in the night was increased. musta been a union demand lol

not that it matters one whit -- because 3 ≠ 24 just as much as 4 ≠ 24. the conclusion is the same: 2 Peter 3:8 / Psalm 90:4 is not a unit-conversion for 'human time' to 'divine time' or 'prophetic time' ((as though those things even exist)) -- amazing how many people keep making this mistake, and then go around teaching it!




 

posthuman

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Sure?

Says 4 watches in a Hebrew night

TorahCalendar.com

yeah, sure.


during the Roman occupation, the number of 'standard' watches in the night was increased. musta been a union demand lol
scripture references establishing the three watches are in the post above.

also, here's a Rabbinic blog link expositing on the the meaning of the three watches, and why there are three, if you're into that:

http://ravkooktorah.org/TISHA-B-AV-68.htm
 

Locutus

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#64
The autos, (his), refers to the time / season

....that he might be revealed in his time

The autos in no way attaches to katecho, the restraining force/ person.

Don't ever try your bullyboy tactics with a Greek scholar L, because I can assure you they will tear you limb from limb.


Just show me one translation that shows it other than "him" or "he" - his time was when he was alive and being restrained when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians.

Don't quit yer bar tending job....
 

J7

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I love bartending, you get to talk to some nice and intelligent people
 

J7

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Of course, your comment stinks of British class-conceited contempt for people who serve others.

Are you sure Canada accepts you?
 

loveme1

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Peace be upon you both. Retreat and consider the matter.. you don't need this type of back and forth. :.(
 

J7

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Thank you LM1. I do feel quite peaceful tbh.

In response:

KJV

6 [FONT=&quot]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


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miknik5

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Thank you LM1. I do feel quite peaceful tbh.

In response:

KJV

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


If you don't mind, are you clear yet that the "he" mentioned in the above verse 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is not the same HE who holds all things back as mentioned in 2 thessslonians 2:7

cotrect?
 

Locutus

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Peace be upon you both. Retreat and consider the matter.. you don't need this type of back and forth. :.(
Yes we do - He can't be a Spanish descendant because they managed to build an Armada, he either floated across the straight from Morroco or he's an ex pat from Britain drawing the dole and moon lighting as a bar tender..
 

OneFaith

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This causes a lot of debate. A physical building, or the human body?

I have always seen it is a physical temple.

2 Thessalonians 2 needs very careful reading.

God in some way is involved in the deception

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Now this is quite heavy stuff if you think about. Paul starts off by telling the Church not to let any man deceive us, but then tells us that God is involved in the deception!

The deception then that God sends is not a human being, as Paul has said not to let a human being deceive you.

Personally I believe that the deception God sends is the very temple itself, which is why Paul calls it the 'Temple of God', when of course it is no such thing, it is the temple of Satan.





The temple in the Old Testament: a building
The temple in the New Testament: a Christian's body

I believe that the delusion was dinosaur bones. For mankind says they lived billions of years before humans, yet God says He created all within a week, and that humans and land animals were created the same day, and that Adam named them all. God purposely gives us the struggle. He wants us to think, and to study, and to have faith. Who are you going to believe- God or man?

"Let every man be a liar and God be right."
 

miknik5

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@miknik, if you love me you can pm me

@ph 3hrs in a watch

@Boga yup, I can't help feeling that the general vitriol, lack of constructive discussion and inability to refute stems less from what I have said, and more from the general abhorrence to the idea that the beloved temple is not really the great object of veneration so many so-called Christians seem to think.

Have I hit a sore nerve?!!
I do love you
i am surprised by your post here
 

Locutus

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J7 must be off mixing a few Mai Tais for the beach bums while figuring out his next "theo-unlogical" response.....
 

J7

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#74
I gave this some thought, and came to the realization that I am at fault for not properly presenting things. I am humbly sorry.

I realize now that things need to be completely explained...ok, Temple discussion redux

Jesus was clearing the Temple. This is the early part of his ministry by the way. He actually cleared the Temple twice.

John 2 13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 He told those who were selling the doves, “Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!” 17 His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for your house will consume me.” 18 The Jews then said to him, “What sign can you show us for doing this?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking of the temple of his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

Verses 18 - 22 are quite important

There are quite a few anomalies, and once you see them, then the passage becomes harder to understand.

1) Jesus says he will raise the Temple up. In reference to his resurrection, Jesus did not resurrect himself, God resurrected him.
2) Jesus gives a sign. The assumption is that this is the same sign as the sign of Jonah, because Jesus only gave one sign. However, that sign was for that generation, which ended AD73. So Jesus could have given another sign for future generations. (Matt 24 we see another sign spoken of)
3) Verse 22 is a reference to Luke 24:25-27, 44-46, where Jesus explained the scriptures about his resurrection to the disciples, after he had risen from the dead. So Now we can see that verse 21 onwards is in no way to be construed as Jesus explaining anything there at that moment, to the Jews. This is John editing in his understanding that was revealed after Christ had risen.

So actually there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
 
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J7 must be off mixing a few Mai Tais for the beach bums while figuring out his next "theo-unlogical" response.....
Is this some weird jab or J7 do you really work as a bartender?
Maybe it is some spanish canadian thing I do not get :D
 

J7

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#76
Just Locutus pleasuring himself BG. I need to block him actually
 

posthuman

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#77
((sidenote))

1) Jesus says he will raise the Temple up. In reference to his resurrection, J̶e̶s̶u̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶u̶r̶r̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶h̶i̶m̶s̶e̶l̶f̶, God resurrected him.
congratulations, you just showed that Christ is God :)

. . . or you called Jesus a liar, because He clearly said "
I will raise it up" -- not "my father will raise it up"
 

posthuman

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3) Verse 22 is a reference to Luke 24:25-27, 44-46, where Jesus explained the scriptures about his resurrection to the disciples, after he had risen from the dead. So Now we can see that verse 21 onwards is in no way to be construed as Jesus explaining anything there at that moment, to the Jews. This is John editing in his understanding that was revealed after Christ had risen.

seeing that Jesus was speaking directly to the Jews, answering their question, how can you come to the conclusion that He was '
in no way explaining anything to them' ??
 

miknik5

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#79
I gave this some thought, and came to the realization that I am at fault for not properly presenting things. I am humbly sorry.

I realize now that things need to be completely explained...ok, Temple discussion redux

Jesus was clearing the Temple. This is the early part of his ministry by the way. He actually cleared the Temple twice.

John 2 13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 He told those who were selling the doves, “Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!” 17 His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for your house will consume me.” 18 The Jews then said to him, “What sign can you show us for doing this?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking of the temple of his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

Verses 18 - 22 are quite important

There are quite a few anomalies, and once you see them, then the passage becomes harder to understand.

1) Jesus says he will raise the Temple up. In reference to his resurrection, Jesus did not resurrect himself, God resurrected him.
2) Jesus gives a sign. The assumption is that this is the same sign as the sign of Jonah, because Jesus only gave one sign. However, that sign was for that generation, which ended AD73. So Jesus could have given another sign for future generations. (Matt 24 we see another sign spoken of)
3) Verse 22 is a reference to Luke 24:25-27, 44-46, where Jesus explained the scriptures about his resurrection to the disciples, after he had risen from the dead. So Now we can see that verse 21 onwards is in no way to be construed as Jesus explaining anything there at that moment, to the Jews. This is John editing in his understanding that was revealed after Christ had risen.

So actually there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.
What is the reason for HIS clearing the temple J7?
 

J7

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#80
Jesus and The Father are two different people PH
((sidenote))



congratulations, you just showed that Christ is God :)

. . . or you called Jesus a liar, because He clearly said "
I will raise it up" -- not "my father will raise it up"