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    David was also the youngest of Jesse's eight sons...

    Isaac was referred to by God more than once as Abraham's
    only son, despite having the elder Ishmael as a brother.
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    Same with Joseph, being the eleventh son of Jacob, first from Rachel's womb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    I love the way Esau gets defamed but the wiley Rebekah and Jacob come out smelling like Roses..
    Ya really! Rabekah engineered the plan. Is there anything in the Bible that says she was right in doing that? I know there was prophecy given before the birth of the two, but how would she know who was to serve the other??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Same with Joseph, being the eleventh son of Jacob, first from Rachel's womb.

    Ya, and Joseph's younger son, Ephraim, received the birthright from Jacob, instead of Manasseh the elder. It happened over and over. What do you all think the reason for this is? There has to be a spiritual message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unobtrusive View Post
    Ya, and Joseph's younger son, Ephraim, received the birthright from Jacob, instead of Manasseh the elder. It happened over and over. What do you all think the reason for this is? There has to be a spiritual message.
    Would it have to do with Israel serving as the nation to bring forth the Messiah, through Whom salvation is then offered to gentiles via faith in Jesus' propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross at Golgotha, where He shed His righteous blood on our behalf, due to His great everlasting love for us, that we may be reconciled to God, and attain to life ever after?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Would it have to do with Israel serving as the nation to bring forth the Messiah, through Whom salvation is then offered to gentiles via faith in Jesus' propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross at Golgotha, where He shed His righteous blood on our behalf, due to His great everlasting love for us, that we may be reconciled to God, and attain to life ever after?
    And the Gospel was given to the Jews before the Gentiles. OK, back to Esau.

    Hebrews 11:17-20
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
    18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
    19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
    20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.


    Genesis 27:38-40
    38 Esau said to his father, “Do you have only one blessing, my father? Bless me, even me also, O my father.” So Esau lifted his voice and wept.
    39 Then Isaac his father answered and said to him, “Behold, of the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling, And of the dew of heaven from above.
    40 “By your sword you shall live, And your brother you shall serve; But it shall come about when you become restless, that you will tear off his yoke from your neck.”


    Does anybody have a thought about what verse 40 is saying? Has this prophecy been fulfilled, or is it something still to happen in the future?


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    Quote Originally Posted by unobtrusive View Post
    “By your sword you shall live, And your brother you shall serve;

    But it shall come about when you become restless,
    that you will tear off his yoke from your neck.”


    Does anybody have a thought about what verse 40 is saying?
    Has this prophecy been fulfilled, or is it something still to happen in the future?

    "And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me with that same red pottage
    for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”

    “Edom” means, literally,“red soup,”and is so translated.
    remember the fact that “Edom” now refers to Esau.

    When Esau returned and found how Jacob had supplanted him, he was very bitter.
    He pleaded for a blessing, too. But Isaac could not retract the blessing given to Jacob.
    So he passed on to Esau the following prophecy:

    “Behold, thy dwelling shall be [correct translation: away from] the fatness of the earth,
    and of the dew of heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve
    thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt
    break his yoke from off thy neck. And Esau hated Jacob?…” (verses 39-41).

    In verse 39, the Hebrew preposition min should be translated “from” or “away from,”
    not “of.” Actually, the prophesied lot of Esau was more of a curse than a blessing.

    The Revised Standard Version translates it: “Behold, away from the fatness of the earth
    shall your dwelling be, and away from the dew of heaven on high.” Moffatt renders it:
    “Far from rich soil on earth shall you live, far from the dew of heaven on high.” Actually,
    the Hebrew words convey the dual meaning, and both have happened to Esau’s descendants.

    A Prophecy for Turkey

    The sparse records of history, with other proofs, show that many of the descendants of
    Esau became known as Turks. Therefore we must remember that prophecies pertaining
    to the latter days referring to Edom, or Esau, refer generally to the Turkish nation.

    In Isaac’s dying prophecy, he foretold that Esau’s descendants would come to a time
    when they should have dominion, and then break the yoke of the Israelites from off
    their necks. That has happened. The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out of
    the Promised Land that belonged with the birthright.

    The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries possessed that land.
    Those descendants, the Turkish people, occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain
    took it in 1917. Esau’s descendants always have lusted for that land, central promise
    of the birthright!

    The Turks have truly lived by the sword!
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    Jacob was not the only one guilty of deceit; in fact, it was the entire family.
    Isaac, Rebekah, Esau and Jacob all use one of the broad categories of deception.

    Isaac, was old, feeble, blind and preparing for death. Under a veil of secrecy,
    the patriarch called for Esau, his favorite son (see Genesis 25:28).

    Isaac informed Esau that he planned to confer upon him the birthright blessing,
    undoubtedly a spectacular inheritance. As part of their private celebration he
    desired that Esau both hunt and prepare his favorite venison meat dish. Esau
    quickly complied with his father’s wishes and rushed off into the wilds Genesis 27:5

    Isaac offered his firstborn an inheritance he could not rightly give him. Before Esau’s
    birth, God informed Rebekah by a prophecy that her younger son would rule over his
    elder brother. Isaac would have known this meant that Jacob was to receive the
    birthright blessing (Genesis 25:23).

    Isaac did not include Rebekah in his plans for Esau. He knew she would disagree.
    Also realize that Esau never valued his birthright and had sold it to his brother for
    a bowl of soup (Genesis 25:31). He neglected to tell his father he had done so. His lust
    for wealth motivated him to conceal the fact that Jacob already possessed the blessing.

    Isaac’s plan would have been carried out flawlessly, it would seem, had not his wife
    listened in on her husband’s conversation. Rebekah—believing the prophecy yet not
    having the faith to confront Isaac or let God work it out—concocted a complex scheme
    to mislead Isaac into believing that Jacob was Esau.

    Jacob was wary of the plan because of his radically different physical appearance from
    his brother—Esau was very hairy; he was not. Jacob feared getting caught and cursed
    for lying to Isaac (verse 12). Notice, however, that Jacob did not stop the plan.

    Like his mother, he lacked the faith to let God work it out. What a shame: He actually
    was doubly entitled to the birthright. God had assigned it to him through prophecy, and
    he had purchased it.

    Rebekah’s darkest deceit is revealed in her discussion with Jacob, the cooking of the
    goat meat and the design of Jacob’s disguise. She even used some of Esau’s own clothes,
    The meat of two goats was necessary to conceal the meat dish was not actually venison .

    Like a deceitful spy, Jacob went to his father. Using the knowledge from his mother,
    he perfectly played the part of his brother. He said, I am Esau—a bald-faced lie.

    He presented his father with the false meat dish his mother had made as “my venison”
    —another calculated deception. When questioned about how he had returned from hunting
    so quickly, Jacob lied by saying that God had blessed him. How insidious to bring God into
    this dark picture! Jacob allowed his father to feel his hair-cloaked hands and smell Esau’s
    robe that he wore—real depravity. Yet, the lie worked. Jacob received the blessing.

    But did Jacob get away with the outright lying and theatrical deceits? Not at all!

    Look at the damage done by his deceit. Isaac was emotionally crushed by Jacob’s actions.
    Esau became so bitterly angry that he planned to assassinate Jacob after Isaac died.
    Jacob had to flee for his life. He never saw his mother again; she died before he returned
    to Canaan. Essentially, Rebekah was cursed because of all the lying (verse 13).

    Genesis 29-50 Jacob’s pain did not end there. His uncle Laban deceived him into marrying
    Leah instead of Rachel. The woman he loved (Rachel) was barren. Laban, even after he
    became his father-in-law, took advantage of Jacob, practically enslaving him for 14 years.

    God forced Jacob to wrestle with Him all night to eventually receive the blessing (Gen 32).
    Jacob’s daughter Dinah was raped. His beloved second wife, Rachel, died in childbirth.

    To teach Jacob the deep evil of lying, God allowed him to be deceived by his own family.
    His sons misled him to believe that his favorite son, Joseph, was dead. When moving to
    Egypt to be with Joseph, Jacob confessed to Pharaoh that his life had been very hard—
    the few years he lived were filled with evil (Genesis 47:9).
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    The better question is why did God love Jacob.

    And God does hate ppl as Psalm 5:5 an Proverbs 6:16-19 clearly state.
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    God hated Esau's actions....he sold his birthright for a bowl of "beans" and in so doing devalued that which had great value.....imv
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    "And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me with that same red pottage
    for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”

    “Edom” means, literally,“red soup,”and is so translated.
    remember the fact that “Edom” now refers to Esau.

    When Esau returned and found how Jacob had supplanted him, he was very bitter.
    He pleaded for a blessing, too. But Isaac could not retract the blessing given to Jacob.
    So he passed on to Esau the following prophecy:

    “Behold, thy dwelling shall be [correct translation: away from] the fatness of the earth,
    and of the dew of heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve
    thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt
    break his yoke from off thy neck. And Esau hated Jacob?…” (verses 39-41).

    In verse 39, the Hebrew preposition min should be translated “from” or “away from,”
    not “of.” Actually, the prophesied lot of Esau was more of a curse than a blessing.

    The Revised Standard Version translates it: “Behold, away from the fatness of the earth
    shall your dwelling be, and away from the dew of heaven on high.” Moffatt renders it:
    “Far from rich soil on earth shall you live, far from the dew of heaven on high.” Actually,
    the Hebrew words convey the dual meaning, and both have happened to Esau’s descendants.

    A Prophecy for Turkey

    The sparse records of history, with other proofs, show that many of the descendants of
    Esau became known as Turks. Therefore we must remember that prophecies pertaining
    to the latter days referring to Edom, or Esau, refer generally to the Turkish nation.

    In Isaac’s dying prophecy, he foretold that Esau’s descendants would come to a time
    when they should have dominion, and then break the yoke of the Israelites from off
    their necks. That has happened. The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out of
    the Promised Land that belonged with the birthright.

    The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries possessed that land.
    Those descendants, the Turkish people, occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain
    took it in 1917. Esau’s descendants always have lusted for that land, central promise
    of the birthright!

    The Turks have truly lived by the sword!
    Would that be the time of the Ottoman Empire you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    The better question is why did God love Jacob.

    And God does hate ppl as Psalm 5:5 an Proverbs 6:16-19 clearly state.
    Not because he was good, or because he deserved it,

    And be careful with psalms 5:5. Jacob was no choir boy, he committed lots of iniquity, so according from psalms, he would hate him also,

    And prob 6 could speak of us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    Jacob was not the only one guilty of deceit; in fact, it was the entire family.
    Isaac, Rebekah, Esau and Jacob all use one of the broad categories of deception.
    Rebekah's brother Laban was full of trickery also, as well as his daughters, who went along with their father's conspiracy to have Jacob marry Leah, after he had worked seven years in order to wed Rachel.
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    I hate tongue sandwiches, but love pork chops. It's all taste.

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    Esau sold his tremendence birthright unto Jacob, what did the birthright intail?
    recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants


    ¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
    ¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
    ¦Genesis 22:16-18 | God promises that the birthright nations among Abraham’s descendants
    will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
    ¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
    ¦Genesis 27:26-29 | God promises the birthright nations will become wealthy, rule over other nations.
    ¦Genesis 28:13-14 | God promises that the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
    ¦Genesis 35:11 | God promises that the birthright nations will become “a nation and
    a company of nations.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Rebekah's brother Laban was full of trickery also, as well as his daughters, who went along with their father's conspiracy to have Jacob marry Leah, after he had worked seven years in order to wed Rachel.
    That's another thing in respect of God choosing the second over the first. Good one sis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    Esau sold his tremendence birthright unto Jacob, what did the birthright intail?
    recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants


    ¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
    ¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
    ¦Genesis 22:16-18 | God promises that the birthright nations among Abraham’s descendants
    will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
    ¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
    ¦Genesis 27:26-29 | God promises the birthright nations will become wealthy, rule over other nations.
    ¦Genesis 28:13-14 | God promises that the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
    ¦Genesis 35:11 | God promises that the birthright nations will become “a nation and
    a company of nations.”
    After Joseph's youngest son Ephraim received the birthright from Jacob, was it ever passed on to anyone else? Judah certainly didn't get it. I haven't noticed any Biblical record that it went any further than Ephraim. Maybe someone knows.

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    Hebrews 12:14-17 CJB
    14 Keep pursuing shalom with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.
    15 See to it that no one misses out on God’s grace, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble and thus contaminates many,
    16 and that no one is sexually immoral, or godless like Esav, (Esau) who in exchange for a single meal gave up his rights as the firstborn.
    17 For you know that afterwards, when he wanted to obtain his father’s blessing, he was rejected; indeed, even though he sought it with tears, his change of heart was to no avail.

    My summary...
    The outset of fleshly desires, becoming adversarial to the will of God, escalating to the point that complements the adversary Satan by resisting righteousness, then evil totally and finally taking control of ones life under demonic control, even though they may not be demon possessed.

    So I think the hate is against false doctrines that come directly from the underworld spirit of Satan.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
    (Ephesians 6:12)

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    Quote Originally Posted by unobtrusive View Post
    I know that God is not a respecter of persons, and that Esau was just as much of a child of Abraham and Isaac as was Jacob. Yet the Bible seems to make it clear that there was a great difference between God's attitude of loving Jacob and hating Esau.

    Now selling his birthright to Jacob, Esau is not hated as a person as mentioned in Hebrews 12:16, but is used as an example for us to not be a "profane person, (crossing the line/threshold) as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright."

    What did he do so wrong that he couldn't repent?

    I know that Esau's descendants are called Edomites, but God specifically told Israel that Edom was their brother and to treat them with respect in Deuteronomy 2:2-5, and 23:7-8.
    I know this cannot be a double standard according to righteousness.

    Was it Esau as a person that God hated, or what Edom represented?


    Romans 9:10-13 NASB
    10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;
    11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would remain, not from works but from Him who calls,
    12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.”
    13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

    Could this be much more than just selling out, going over the line so far as bringing a person to the point of not being able to repent?


    Personally, I would have preferred Esau as a friend, rather than Jacob. Esau was a happy-go-lucky kind of guy, and very forgiving of his bro for doing a really stinky trick. Jacob was a conniving wuss. He put his family in danger, rather than face his brother himself.

    As for God's hatred of Esau? Enough that he totally destroyed Edom -- all of Esau's decedents were completely wiped out. Archaeologists found the city and there was absolutely no evidence that invaders came. They couldn't come. Impenetrable. Three sides up on a straight cliff that went down into the sea, and the fourth side could only be attacked by going through something like a cattle chute, made of a cannon. There was no seeable reason those people were gone, but they were. So God hates in mighty ways. Taking it down to his descendants.

    But God has said it over and over again -- and shown it -- he takes the weak, the useless, the fools. And he does that to turn them into his princes and princesses for his glory.

    I feel bad for Esau, but so very glad he chose me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unobtrusive View Post
    I know that God is not a respecter of persons, and that Esau was just as much of a child of Abraham and Isaac as was Jacob. Yet the Bible seems to make it clear that there was a great difference between God's attitude of loving Jacob and hating Esau.

    Now selling his birthright to Jacob, Esau is not hated as a person as mentioned in Hebrews 12:16, but is used as an example for us to not be a "profane person, (crossing the line/threshold) as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright."

    What did he do so wrong that he couldn't repent?

    I know that Esau's descendants are called Edomites, but God specifically told Israel that Edom was their brother and to treat them with respect in Deuteronomy 2:2-5, and 23:7-8.
    I know this cannot be a double standard according to righteousness.

    Was it Esau as a person that God hated, or what Edom represented?


    Romans 9:10-13 NASB
    10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;
    11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would remain, not from works but from Him who calls,
    12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.”
    13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

    Could this be much more than just selling out, going over the line so far as bringing a person to the point of not being able to repent?


    The birthright involved spiritual Leadership of the family. The fact that Esau had little interest in relationship with God probably contributed to God's attitude toward him.

    In Gen 27:20, When Jacob was trying to impersonate Esau, he referred to God as the Lord thy God. We know that Jacob had a personal relationship with God; so this must reflect Esau's attitude.

    God foreknew what Edom (Esau) would do when Israel sought to cross his land.

    Esau chose pagan wives.
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    16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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