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    At the White Throne Judgement, is it your faith or your works that permit the 2nd resurrection?
    The hourglass of time has been tipped, and it’s later than you may think.
    HalleluYAH - praise ye the LORD!

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    Works don't save you, keep you saved, nor get you into heaven...
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    Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."



    Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."


    Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    ...Are you trying to start Not By Works 2? :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarsToHear View Post
    At the White Throne Judgement, is it your faith or your works that permit the 2nd resurrection?
    None of the above...the saved do not endure the Great White Throne judgment.....they are rewarded at the BEMA seat of Christ.....it is the LOST that endure the Great White Throne......
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    The White Throne Judgement and the 1st and 2nd resurrections are found in Revelation.

    So far, no one has even come close to touching the right answer.
    The hourglass of time has been tipped, and it’s later than you may think.
    HalleluYAH - praise ye the LORD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarsToHear View Post
    The White Throne Judgement and the 1st and 2nd resurrections are found in Revelation.

    So far, no one has even come close to touching the right answer.
    Sure we have....you just reject what has been said...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Sure we have....you just reject what has been said...........
    No, this is not my word. It's His Word. And, if no one gets it right, I will document it from the Word.

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    The hourglass of time has been tipped, and it’s later than you may think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarsToHear View Post
    No, this is not my word. It's His Word. And, if no one gets it right, I will document it from the Word.

    Just drop your pack and take five.
    The bible is clear...the saved appear before the BEMA seat of Christ to be rewarded at the 1st resurrection....the LOST at the second death before the Great White Throne judgement to be judge according to the BOOKS of the law and cast into the lake of fire....

    The saved rewarded based upon their works, the lost JUDGED based upon their works...........
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    2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Carry on with it mate.

    You got the right answer, and here it is again: salvation is by faith in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior and Christians do not face the great white throne judgment

    Now you can proceed to document from the Word what you wanted to tell us, I am not going to hold my breath that what will be documented is grace by faith, that could prove fatal.

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    For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

    Proper Faith will always produce proper works.

    Our works are to believe only. John 20:27-28

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    The bible is clear...the saved appear before the BEMA seat of Christ to be rewarded at the 1st resurrection....the LOST at the second death before the Great White Throne judgement to be judge according to the BOOKS of the law and cast into the lake of fire....

    The saved rewarded based upon their works, the lost JUDGED based upon their works...........
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    2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
    2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”



    968. béma Strong's Concordance

    béma: a step, raised place, by impl. a tribunal
    Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό
    Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
    Transliteration: béma
    Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma)
    Short Definition: the space covered by a step of the foot, a tribunal
    Definition: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.
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    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by MessageOfTheCross View Post
    For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

    Proper Faith will always produce proper works.

    Our works are to believe only. John 20:27-28


    Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


    Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

    2 Corinthians 5:17, “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!”



    Jeremiah 24:7, “And I shall give them a heart to know Me, that I am יהוה. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength, for they shall turn back to Me with all their heart.”
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Romans 3:21-26
    But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Romans 4:4,5
    Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Romans 4:8
    Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Faith is essential.
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    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.



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    1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


    Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


    Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


    1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."


    1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Acts 17:30, “Truly, then, having overlooked these times of ignorance, Yah now commands all men everywhere to repent.”
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogadile View Post
    Carry on with it mate.

    You got the right answer, and here it is again: salvation is by faith in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior and Christians do not face the great white throne judgment

    Now you can proceed to document from the Word what you wanted to tell us, I am not going to hold my breath that what will be documented is grace by faith, that could prove fatal.
    The following takes place after Christ returns.

    And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16

    To whom do you think it refers. Christians? Non-Christians?

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation (Satan's overthrow in the 1st heaven and earth age) of the world.

    And, lest we forget the 7 churches of Revelation - only 2 did Christ approve. Those Christian churches represent today's churches.

    The many membered body of Christ is fractured. Many of them are more concerned with their church's doctrine than with Christ's Doctrine
    The hourglass of time has been tipped, and it’s later than you may think.
    HalleluYAH - praise ye the LORD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    Works don't save you, keep you saved, nor get you into heaven...
    I disagree. Our obedience does not earn salvation, but it is required in order to receive it- for God only gives it to the obedient. 1Peter 3:21 - baptism saves- because it gets us in contact with Christ's blood (Romans 6:3, Colossians 2). And with flames of fire God will take vengeance on those who don't obey the gospel of Christ (baptism).

    Without work (effort) to not sin, you lose your salvation... "If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins."

    And... "IF you remain faithful till the end I will give you a crown of life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarsToHear View Post
    At the White Throne Judgement, is it your faith or your works that permit the 2nd resurrection?
    Works. We will be judged by what we did when we were in the body. "Throw that wicked and lazy servant into outer darkness- where there will be weeping a gnashing of teeth."

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