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    On another thread, it was stated that Moses did not write Genesis. Since the traditional Jewish and Christian understanding is that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, where did this idea come from?

    One of the primary goals of the Reformation was to re-establish the supremacy of the written Word of God as the foundation for all Christian beliefs and practices. Thus the slogan “Sola Scriptura”. But no sooner had the Reformation become a reality than Satan raised up the “Higher Critics” to attack and decimate the Bible, and create doubt and confusion in the minds of ordinary Christians through so-called “Christian” theologians, professors, and clergymen. And it all began with a French priest named Richard Simon (1638-1712).

    When you see the following names – primarily German -- you are seeing the higher critics (as related to the Old Testament): Simon, Astruc, Eichorn, Herder, Vater, de Wettle, Blount, Collins, Reimarus, Lessing, Semler, Bleek, Ewald, Geddes, Hupfeld, Keunen, Reus, Graf, Wellhausen, Briggs, Driver, Robertson Smith, Cheyne, Black, H. P. Smith, and C. H. Toy.

    The higher critics called their findings “the assured results of biblical criticism”, when in fact they were nothing of the sort. Many conservative Christian scholars opposed them, and exposed them for what they were – pure fabrications (“subjective fancies”). All these critics were influenced by Hegel, the Rationalists, the Deists, and the Skeptics, but behind them all was the arch Deceiver himself – Satan.

    So how does the attack of the higher critics totally undermine the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of Scripture? Here’s what they teach:

    1. The Old Testament (OT) is not really inspired by God, but is full of human imperfections, limitations, and errors. It is merely a collection of “oriental literature”.

    2. The OT is a hodgepodge of myths, legends, and historical events, and the historical portions are not really the way they are presented.

    3. Genesis is simply a book of myths – not historical accounts. This would actually apply to the whole OT, thus all of it has little value.

    4. The Creation, the Fall, and the Deluge were “borrowed” from Babylonia, where they existed in their purest and “original” form.

    5. The Torah (first five books of the OT) was not written by Moses, but is a hodgepodge of writings by various “redactors”. This is elaborated in the Document Hypothesis, where four fictitious documents – J.E D P were stitched together to form the Pentateuch in the reign of Solomon. And according to the critics, it is mostly legend and poetry anyhow.

    6. The Pentateuch is not the Pentateuch but it is the Hexateuch, with Joshua added to the mix.

    7. It is doubtful whether the miracles and prophecies in the OT are real.

    8. It is doubtful whether there is anything supernatural in any of the events show as miraculous.

    9. God did not give the Old Covenant to Israel, but the “religion of Israel” “evolved” from polytheism to monotheism.

    10. The chronological order of the OT is false, and should be reversed.

    11. The Chronicles are not historical.

    12. Many of the books of the OT, such as Jonah, are simply “moralizing fictions”.

    13. The book of Daniel was written during the Maccabbean period, not after the Babylonian captivity.

    14. David wrote few – if any – of the Psalms.

    15. The Jewish conceptions of Paradise, Sheol, angels, and devils are all of Chaldean origin.

    16. More recently, the idea has been proposed that the bulk of the OT is simply “astral myths” where heavenly bodies are being represented by humans.

    The New Testament has also been attacked in a similar fashion, but all this goes to show that apostasy has been at work for quite a while, and Christians are to beware of “scholars” whose goal in life is to attack and undermine Scripture.
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    If the Tanakh, old testament, is a myth than the New Testament is too, because Y-shua is the fulfillment of the Tanakh. No "Christian" would have their Messiah, be saved, if G-d did not give us His infallible, inerrant Word of the old testament (Torah). Do not be deceived, Y-shua came to fulfill the Old Testament! If it is not ALL TRUE NONE OF IT IS EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    As the day draws near expect much attack on the Truth.. believe in your heart and let them deceive themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    On another thread, it was stated that Moses did not write Genesis. Since the traditional Jewish and Christian understanding is that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, where did this idea come from?

    One of the primary goals of the Reformation was to re-establish the supremacy of the written Word of God as the foundation for all Christian beliefs and practices. Thus the slogan “Sola Scriptura”. But no sooner had the Reformation become a reality than Satan raised up the “Higher Critics” to attack and decimate the Bible, and create doubt and confusion in the minds of ordinary Christians through so-called “Christian” theologians, professors, and clergymen. And it all began with a French priest named Richard Simon (1638-1712).

    When you see the following names – primarily German -- you are seeing the higher critics (as related to the Old Testament): Simon, Astruc, Eichorn, Herder, Vater, de Wettle, Blount, Collins, Reimarus, Lessing, Semler, Bleek, Ewald, Geddes, Hupfeld, Keunen, Reus, Graf, Wellhausen, Briggs, Driver, Robertson Smith, Cheyne, Black, H. P. Smith, and C. H. Toy.

    The higher critics called their findings “the assured results of biblical criticism”, when in fact they were nothing of the sort. Many conservative Christian scholars opposed them, and exposed them for what they were – pure fabrications (“subjective fancies”). All these critics were influenced by Hegel, the Rationalists, the Deists, and the Skeptics, but behind them all was the arch Deceiver himself – Satan.

    So how does the attack of the higher critics totally undermine the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of Scripture? Here’s what they teach:

    1. The Old Testament (OT) is not really inspired by God, but is full of human imperfections, limitations, and errors. It is merely a collection of “oriental literature”.

    2. The OT is a hodgepodge of myths, legends, and historical events, and the historical portions are not really the way they are presented.

    3. Genesis is simply a book of myths – not historical accounts. This would actually apply to the whole OT, thus all of it has little value.

    4. The Creation, the Fall, and the Deluge were “borrowed” from Babylonia, where they existed in their purest and “original” form.

    5. The Torah (first five books of the OT) was not written by Moses, but is a hodgepodge of writings by various “redactors”. This is elaborated in the Document Hypothesis, where four fictitious documents – J.E D P were stitched together to form the Pentateuch in the reign of Solomon. And according to the critics, it is mostly legend and poetry anyhow.

    6. The Pentateuch is not the Pentateuch but it is the Hexateuch, with Joshua added to the mix.

    7. It is doubtful whether the miracles and prophecies in the OT are real.

    8. It is doubtful whether there is anything supernatural in any of the events show as miraculous.

    9. God did not give the Old Covenant to Israel, but the “religion of Israel” “evolved” from polytheism to monotheism.

    10. The chronological order of the OT is false, and should be reversed.

    11. The Chronicles are not historical.

    12. Many of the books of the OT, such as Jonah, are simply “moralizing fictions”.

    13. The book of Daniel was written during the Maccabbean period, not after the Babylonian captivity.

    14. David wrote few – if any – of the Psalms.

    15. The Jewish conceptions of Paradise, Sheol, angels, and devils are all of Chaldean origin.

    16. More recently, the idea has been proposed that the bulk of the OT is simply “astral myths” where heavenly bodies are being represented by humans.

    The New Testament has also been attacked in a similar fashion, but all this goes to show that apostasy has been at work for quite a while, and Christians are to beware of “scholars” whose goal in life is to attack and undermine Scripture.
    Nothing wrong with the points raised.
    However, much of this stuff has been refuted already.
    Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - poor scholarship (as the examples mentioned where) needs to be refuted by better scholarship.
    Anti-intellectualism will not solve anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    On another thread, it was stated that Moses did not write Genesis. Since the traditional Jewish and Christian understanding is that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, where did this idea come from?

    One of the primary goals of the Reformation was to re-establish the supremacy of the written Word of God as the foundation for all Christian beliefs and practices. Thus the slogan “Sola Scriptura”. But no sooner had the Reformation become a reality than Satan raised up the “Higher Critics” to attack and decimate the Bible, and create doubt and confusion in the minds of ordinary Christians through so-called “Christian” theologians, professors, and clergymen. And it all began with a French priest named Richard Simon (1638-1712).

    When you see the following names – primarily German -- you are seeing the higher critics (as related to the Old Testament): Simon, Astruc, Eichorn, Herder, Vater, de Wettle, Blount, Collins, Reimarus, Lessing, Semler, Bleek, Ewald, Geddes, Hupfeld, Keunen, Reus, Graf, Wellhausen, Briggs, Driver, Robertson Smith, Cheyne, Black, H. P. Smith, and C. H. Toy.

    The higher critics called their findings “the assured results of biblical criticism”, when in fact they were nothing of the sort. Many conservative Christian scholars opposed them, and exposed them for what they were – pure fabrications (“subjective fancies”). All these critics were influenced by Hegel, the Rationalists, the Deists, and the Skeptics, but behind them all was the arch Deceiver himself – Satan.

    So how does the attack of the higher critics totally undermine the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of Scripture? Here’s what they teach:

    1. The Old Testament (OT) is not really inspired by God, but is full of human imperfections, limitations, and errors. It is merely a collection of “oriental literature”.

    2. The OT is a hodgepodge of myths, legends, and historical events, and the historical portions are not really the way they are presented.

    3. Genesis is simply a book of myths – not historical accounts. This would actually apply to the whole OT, thus all of it has little value.

    4. The Creation, the Fall, and the Deluge were “borrowed” from Babylonia, where they existed in their purest and “original” form.

    5. The Torah (first five books of the OT) was not written by Moses, but is a hodgepodge of writings by various “redactors”. This is elaborated in the Document Hypothesis, where four fictitious documents – J.E D P were stitched together to form the Pentateuch in the reign of Solomon. And according to the critics, it is mostly legend and poetry anyhow.

    6. The Pentateuch is not the Pentateuch but it is the Hexateuch, with Joshua added to the mix.

    7. It is doubtful whether the miracles and prophecies in the OT are real.

    8. It is doubtful whether there is anything supernatural in any of the events show as miraculous.

    9. God did not give the Old Covenant to Israel, but the “religion of Israel” “evolved” from polytheism to monotheism.

    10. The chronological order of the OT is false, and should be reversed.

    11. The Chronicles are not historical.

    12. Many of the books of the OT, such as Jonah, are simply “moralizing fictions”.

    13. The book of Daniel was written during the Maccabbean period, not after the Babylonian captivity.

    14. David wrote few – if any – of the Psalms.

    15. The Jewish conceptions of Paradise, Sheol, angels, and devils are all of Chaldean origin.

    16. More recently, the idea has been proposed that the bulk of the OT is simply “astral myths” where heavenly bodies are being represented by humans.

    The New Testament has also been attacked in a similar fashion, but all this goes to show that apostasy has been at work for quite a while, and Christians are to beware of “scholars” whose goal in life is to attack and undermine Scripture.
    Thank you Nehemiah for pointing this out: When I was at seminary and a prof started teaching 'higher Criticism' I asked him point blank why he wanted to polute our minds with that garbage. He couldn't answer but he stopped his lecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graceNpeace View Post
    Nothing wrong with the points raised.
    However, much of this stuff has been refuted already.
    Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - poor scholarship (as the examples mentioned where) needs to be refuted by better scholarship.
    Anti-intellectualism will not solve anything.
    Yep. Just more premature spreading of disdain for theologians, scholars, and the studious godly. The OP is music to the ears of those who "need no man to teach them" taking 1 John 2:27 out of context.

    Of course we are to reject any who attack the plenary inspiration of Scripture, but to frame the OP and show disdain for "scholars" and putting such in parentheses is to offer an imbalance of disdain and is a general broad brushing that is unnecessary.

    The OP needs to clarify, at this point it comes across as an attack on any scholar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Yep. Just more premature spreading of disdain for theologians, scholars, and the studious godly. The OP is music to the ears of those who "need no man to teach them" taking 1 John 2:27 out of context.

    Of course we are to reject any who attack the plenary inspiration of Scripture, but to frame the OP and show disdain for "scholars" and putting such in parentheses is to offer an imbalance of disdain and is a general broad brushing that is unnecessary.

    The OP needs to clarify, at this point it comes across as an attack on any scholar.
    It appears to me, by reading the OP, that he was pretty specific as to which "scholars" were suspect. I saw no blanket indictment of Biblical scholarship, only the ones that were obviously working their own agenda... which appears to be the undermining of the authenticity of the OT.

    We, as followers of Christ should be discerning of just which "scholars" to listen to.... as the Bereans were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    It appears to me, by reading the OP, that he was pretty specific as to which "scholars" were suspect. I saw no blanket indictment of Biblical scholarship, only the ones that were obviously working their own agenda... which appears to be the undermining of the authenticity of the OT.
    Fair enough, but when "scholars" is put into parentheses it shows disdain for this discipline unless balanced out. We should at the same time of rebuking certain, balance that out with showing biblical and dutiful respect for those who stand upon the Word of God.

    There are too many today who reject the biblical mandate of God appointed leaders, teachers, pastors, and too many lone wolf types (and many on this site) who will see the OP as music to their ears.

    Scripture has much to say about respecting the order God has given in gifting godly men for the church.

    We, as followers of Christ should be discerning of just which "scholars" to listen to.... as the Bereans were.
    That was my entire point.
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    Rev.12: 4-12 (KJV)


    4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore* rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


    Many believer's support that this passage, probably because it is in the Revelation, that this, is yet to come. It doesn't take much, if any "scholarship", for one to realize (espicially as "time"...Marches on), that this, has been going on for quite some time.

    In the very real sense of "an everlasting mind-set?" GOD, "set a limit" on just how much time, satan and his angels have! When "viewed" in this manner? Yeah! "his, and their" "time", IS SHORT! Of which, by the bye, is why satan is so wrathful! When viewing this from the "finite" (flesh) mind set (the "prince of darkness'" playground)? This could be many many thousands of years! Some of which has already come and gone, and some that is yet to come. In any manner "their" time IS SHORT!
    (Cutting through the chaff)

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    good message. it was the pharisees who were also considered big shots scholars and they were wrong u see. its the ghetto ppl who followed Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcubed View Post
    If the Tanakh, old testament, is a myth than the New Testament is too, because Y-shua is the fulfillment of the Tanakh. No "Christian" would have their Messiah, be saved, if G-d did not give us His infallible, inerrant Word of the old testament (Torah). Do not be deceived, Y-shua came to fulfill the Old Testament! If it is not ALL TRUE NONE OF IT IS EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Exactly. It is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who testified to "the writings" (plural) of Moses, and called them "the Law". Christians should be very aware that if Genesis is not inspired and historical then the Gospel itself is undermined. And the Gospel is for the purpose of bringing people to salvation. Their eternal destiny is at stake by how they view the Bible and the words of Christ. Christians should also be very aware that Satan hates the written Word of God, and does everything in his power to undermine it through unbelieving men who claim to be "Christian scholars". The apostasy (a departure from the Faith) that has taken hold of the bulk of Christendom has its roots in Higher Criticism and Modernism, and Paul calls these "giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:1,2).

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Fair enough, but when "scholars" is put into parentheses it shows disdain for this discipline unless balanced out. We should at the same time of rebuking certain, balance that out with showing biblical and dutiful respect for those who stand upon the Word of God.

    There are too many today who reject the biblical mandate of God appointed leaders, teachers, pastors, and too many lone wolf types (and many on this site) who will see the OP as music to their ears.

    Scripture has much to say about respecting the order God has given in gifting godly men for the church.



    That was my entire point.
    Yes... there are good scholars.. true scholars, who are searching for truth, with an open mind. I have nothing but respect for those who dedicate themselves to the intense search for truth.

    The reason I put "scholars" in parentheses is to show the difference between true scholarship, and the ones that are pushing an agenda.

    Much like I would put parentheses around "pastor" for most televangelists, and those of that ilk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    Yes... there are good scholars.. true scholars, who are searching for truth, with an open mind. I have nothing but respect for those who dedicate themselves to the intense search for truth.

    The reason I put "scholars" in parentheses is to show the difference between true scholarship, and the ones that are pushing an agenda.

    Much like I would put parentheses around "pastor" for most televangelists, and those of that ilk.
    Just so you know I wasn't referring to your usage of parentheses. I got what you meant. I was referring to the OP brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Just so you know I wasn't referring to your usage of parentheses. I got what you meant. I was referring to the OP brother.
    Looks like preacher4truth does not care for the truth. But you can simply bypass this thread instead of sniping at the OP.
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    This is nothing new....the attack on the word of God started in the garden that was Eastward in Eden when the serpent said..."HATH GOD SAID"...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    This is nothing new....the attack on the word of God started in the garden that was Eastward in Eden when the serpent said..."HATH GOD SAID"...........
    Did the therpent have a lithp?



    Sorry, couldn't resist... or should I say couldn't rethith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    Did the therpent have a lithp?



    Sorry, couldn't resist... or should I say couldn't rethith?
    More like a hiss like...

    Hath God SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSaid........
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    Facts right here Bro, I gave ya some rep for that.

    Don't let these bible pundits steal your faith. In these last times you best believe the devil is gonna throw all sorts of expert opinions at you to discredit the bible.
    STAY STRONG. STAY ENCOURAGED!
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    We heard a Professor of New Testament and Dean of the local Liberal theological Seminary give a reflection during a chapel service on Romans 6:1-11 She essentially said, Paul was using apocalyptic language in these verses and was being a brute about what he was talking about. Try as she might, she cannot understand how we could die to sin and then be alive in Christ. She stated SIN is subject to interpretation and not made clear in the Bible. She said her definition of sin was social injustice to any minorities, including, LBGT people and we need to put Paul and his Book of Romans aside because they were only for Roman Jewish and Gentile Christians and not for us today. His writings in Roman are all unremarkable and barbaric for her or any other believer, so do not study them.

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    Jacob was an adult before Shem died, and Shem was an adult before the flood. Jacob's descendants gave the information of Genesis to Moses. Moses wrote it down.

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