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    must be done in Jesus name. acts 2:38

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    Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
    Mat 3:14 But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
    Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    If He did it and we are to follow Him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kote View Post
    must be done in Jesus name. acts 2:38
    So you've gone down the "Oneness" heresy road!
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    don't forget matt 28.

    water baptism is a command, we are to baptize all new disciples.

    Just remember, Baptism in water will not wash one sin away,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonah View Post
    If He did it and we are to follow Him.
    So did the Roman soldiers...

    "And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? ...." Luke 3:14


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    Are we not suppose to do pretty much EVERYTHING in the Name of Jesus?

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    must be done in Jesus name. acts 2:38
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Proverbs 3:6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7) Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.


    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    don't forget matt 28.

    water baptism is a command, we are to baptize all new disciples.

    Just remember, Baptism in water will not wash one sin away,
    The baptism in Mat 28 is doctrine and teaching of the word of Christ not water baptism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jb View Post
    So you've gone down the "Oneness" heresy road!
    I once had a Oneness Pentecostal approach me while I was delivering mail and she tried to convince me that we must be water baptized in "Jesus name only" in order to be saved. She said baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit was "invalid" and such a person remains lost.

    She also told me to go home that night and read Acts 2:38 and baptize myself in the bathtub in "Jesus name only." She freaked me out! I was waiting for her to hand me the Kool Aid!
    I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    What about what Jesus said in

    Matthew 28:19
    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    The baptism in Mat 28 is doctrine and teaching of the word of Christ not water baptism.

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    what? Where do you get this?

    I have never in my 40 years of studying the word in the many churches I have gone to, or th emany books I have read ever heard this said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    what? Where do you get this?

    I have never in my 40 years of studying the word in the many churches I have gone to, or th emany books I have read ever heard this said.

    When we examine the verse in context we see that the command is to go and to teach. The baptism here in the Greek is to immerse as a sunken ship. Generally water baptism is a dipping not an immersion like a sunken ship. People tend not to continue living when placed under water for extended periods of time. From the context we are to immerse them in doctrine as verse 20 reveals. We teach Jesus as Savior and teach converts to disciple them.

    Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    This is a prime example of where the English fails to comprehend the original Greek. We often see baptize and apply water where the original text intended a different immersion. This is why many struggle to understand where the text intends Holy Spirit baptism and not water baptism. Different word in the Greek but one word used in the English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    When we examine the verse in context we see that the command is to go and to teach. The baptism here in the Greek is to immerse as a sunken ship. Generally water baptism is a dipping not an immersion like a sunken ship. People tend not to continue living when placed under water for extended periods of time. From the context we are to immerse them in doctrine as verse 20 reveals. We teach Jesus as Savior and teach converts to disciple them.

    Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    This is a prime example of where the English fails to comprehend the original Greek. We often see baptize and apply water where the original text intended a different immersion. This is why many struggle to understand where the text intends Holy Spirit baptism and not water baptism. Different word in the Greek but one word used in the English.

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    I am sorry bro, but I do not agree.

    Water baptism is immersion, it is not a dipping or sprinkling, that is why the word baptizo (to immerse plunge place into, not bapto (to dip) is used.

    I see the sequence is this

    1. Make a new disciple
    2. Baptize them
    3. Teach them all things
    4. remember I am always with you.


    We do not teach in the name of the father son and spirit, we teach THE father son and spirit. We immerse in the name o the father son and spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    don't forget matt 28.

    water baptism is a command, we are to baptize all new disciples.

    Just remember, Baptism in water will not wash one sin away,
    Ananias said to Paul "What are you waiting for, arise, be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

    Only Christ blood washes away sin, and baptism puts us in Christ's death where He shed His blood (Romans 6:3), and God uses it during baptism to perform circumcision of the heart. (Colossians 2:11,12).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonah View Post
    Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
    Mat 3:14 But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
    Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    If He did it and we are to follow Him.
    The officiator must have come from the tribe of Levi like John to fulfill the righteous requirement of that ceremonial law a shadow of the good thing to come...which is our new incorruptible bodies... all saints die having not received the promise .

    We walk by faith the unseen, not as if flesh and blood could enter the place of our new birth place the new heavenly Jerusalem as the mother of us all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kote View Post
    must be done in Jesus name. acts 2:38
    Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." (Not just the Son).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneFaith View Post
    Ananias said to Paul "What are you waiting for, arise, be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

    Only Christ blood washes away sin, and baptism puts us in Christ's death where He shed His blood (Romans 6:3), and God uses it during baptism to perform circumcision of the heart. (Colossians 2:11,12).
    Water baptism puts you in water, Christs death has nothing to do with a physical act. Water baptism (the NT symbol for being cleansed) can no more wash you than the physical act of Circumcision (the OT symbol for cleansing) can.

    Your right, the blood of Christ cleanses us, that is done in the baptism of the spirit, Which if this does not happen before baptism in water, is useless.

    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Water baptism puts you in water, Christs death has nothing to do with a physical act. Water baptism (the NT symbol for being cleansed) can no more wash you than the physical act of Circumcision (the OT symbol for cleansing) can.

    Your right, the blood of Christ cleanses us, that is done in the baptism of the spirit, Which if this does not happen before baptism in water, is useless.

    God says baptism saves (1Peter 3:21), so to say it does not save makes Him out to be a liar, and the Bible out to be a liar- because it says "Let every man be a liar and God be right." You agree that only Christ's blood washes away sin, but it does you no good if you don't come into contact with it- which baptism puts you into contact with it. Baptism is also the only way the Bible says we get into Christ- which is important since only those in Christ will be saved.

    There is no verse that says 'baptism of the Spirit puts you in Christ', but there is scripture about water baptism putting you in Christ, and saving you. Having the Holy Spirit, whether before or after baptism, does not save you. The only thing that saves you is contact with Christ's blood- which baptism accomplishes.

    Baptism is how we obey the gospel- which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We die to ourself, burial our sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised to newness of life. The Bible says "With flames of fire He will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kote View Post
    must be done in Jesus name. acts 2:38
    i see. in Jesus name or in Yeshua? Yahshua? Yahushua? YahawashI? u see my friend.

    God overstands all languages u see. I agree its valid to baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus, the disciples did it in acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungu256 View Post
    i see. in Jesus name or in Yeshua? Yahshua? Yahushua? YahawashI? u see my friend.

    God overstands all languages u see. I agree its valid to baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus, the disciples did it in acts.
    Yes. It is perfectly fine to say the name 'Jesus' in languages other than English. Even in ways that means His name- such as The Lamb of God, The Son of Man, The Son of God, The Bright and Morning Star, etc. As long as the term is recognized to mean "Christ."

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