Serious Conversation between Jewish and Christians

[joefizz]

I have read the bible concerning both the paths of Judaism and Christianity but I'd like some incite from "Real"Jewish people to understand further understand some of the Jewish customs,languages,and what it's like on their side of serving God so please if there are Jewish people who would like a serious conversation with Christians please post in this thread I for one would like to learn more than just what the bible tells,and please no matter who posts in this thread be serious and civil as possible,Respect is a great thing to practice.

 

[Foxlot]

There's not much the Jews know about their religion that isn't mentioned in the bible, if it's not, well, let's not get to that.

 

[MarcR]

When a Jewish person looks at: Isa 53, Ps 22, and Zec chapters 12-14; the NT becomes a very plausible fulfillment of OT prophesy.

When a Jewish person looks around him and the only evidence he sees of Christianity is Crucades, Inquisitions, progroms, and Death camps; he has good grounds for skepticism.

 

[mcubed]

What questions do you have? Jewish roots: The Scripture that says Abraham woke up early in the morning to to sacrifice Isaac, I learned as a little girl (Jewish tradition) when you have something hard to do get it done early, first never put if off, G-d will work it out then the rest of your day can be good. If you put it off it will hang over you all day. Jesus was the Genital god He is not for us. There is so much to say do you have specific questions?

 

[Locutus]

How can the Jews be serving God - their religion is dead, the re-invented Judaism practiced after the destruction of the temple in the war of 66-70 AD in not the religion prior to that.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[mcubed]

How can the Jews be serving God - their religion is dead, the re-invented Judaism practiced after the destruction of the temple in the war of 66-70 AD in not the religion prior to that.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I'm so glad you asked!!! G-d did not go back on His covenant with Israel. If He did then Christians should be afraid too because He would be a liar. No. G-d forbid. There is the people/nation and His riminet. And His word it true because of Him His Jewish people the nation shall be saved and us His rimnet ARE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joefizz]

How can the Jews be serving God - their religion is dead, the re-invented Judaism practiced after the destruction of the temple in the war of 66-70 AD in not the religion prior to that.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

yet they are "still" God's chosen people,so why wouldn't I include them in serving God!?

 

[joefizz]

What questions do you have? Jewish roots: The Scripture that says Abraham woke up early in the morning to to sacrifice Isaac, I learned as a little girl (Jewish tradition) when you have something hard to do get it done early, first never put if off, G-d will work it out then the rest of your day can be good. If you put it off it will hang over you all day. Jesus was the Genital god He is not for us. There is so much to say do you have specific questions?

hmm specific,well I suppose some simple things for starters like what are some of the custom greetings?
we as Christians tend to typically offer a handshake,what greetings do you have in the Jewish community?

 

[Locutus]

Because you are wrong about them being the "chosen" people - that relationship ended with the passing of the old covenant.

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

The only way for a "Jew" to serve God is under the new covenant.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

If they are still practicing "Judaism" they ain't heeding Moses or hearing "that prophet".

 

[joefizz]

Because you are wrong about them being the "chosen" people - that relationship ended with the passing of the old covenant.

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

The only way for a "Jew" to serve God is under the new covenant.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

If they are still practicing "Judaism" they ain't heeding Moses or hearing "that prophet".

yes yes I am aware of this but,they still have merit,honestly "honor" is such a tough thing to come by these days.
I know that Revelation's prophecy concerning the Jewish has not come to pass yet so I though I'd learn about Judaism a bit before then.

 

[Locutus]

Of course John's revelation has come to pass:

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The "144,000" were being sealed in the 1st century AD - they weren't chopped liver.

1 Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Peter in the above is addressing the 10 scattered tribes - the diaspora.

 

[Blain]

I am half Jewish and never really learned about my Jewish roots and teachings but from what I have seen in the bible There are certainly something I like about them. One thing I have seen about them is that they hold things more sacred than the average Christian some don't even dare say the word God or even Jesus's name and their language is a holy language, English is my language and my words have meaning and symbolism but the Hebrew language is far more profound because words have very in depth meaning and purpose even the pronunciation of their words hold important meaning and symbolism.

Many Christians speak of the holiness of God's word but the Jews take it to an entirely new level the scriptures are so sacred that not just anyone was allowed to speak them and teach them. You would not have all these false prophets and false teachers speaking willy nilly. However the Jews even holding these standards constantly rebel against God like defiant children and in todays day and age many say they have lost their way and are not saved, I cannot speak for them on that manners for I do not know their hearts but Israel and Israels children have always been the apple of his eye and is always involved in anything with bible prophecy. In fact there is a wise saying that says if you ever want to learn the state of bible prophecy look to Israel and God even warns heavily how he will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.

Of course does that mean that we gentiles are less in his eyes? I don't think so, I think there is the Jews and the spiritual Jews, Jesus came and brought both into his kingdom of equal standards. Normally I believe that blood isn't what makes family but in this case it does.

 

[mcubed]

yet they are "still" God's chosen people,so why wouldn't I include them in serving God!?

If you just mean my people as a whole, will they don't. Some are orthodox Jews, but the majority of us are atheist or secular.Jews, like reformed Judaism, or just down right secular. They need your prayer, desperately! just like any human being the rejection of Messiah they will die in their sins and go to hell. See the Christians are to make us jealous but look at history they have killed us and some think replaced us. (not all there are a great number of Goly Christians that pray for Israel, cry, weep... they are AMAZING!!!) But when the fulness of the gentiles comes in then the world will hear Israel as a nation say Brauch haba b'Shem Adonai... Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Y-shua said I will not return until you (Israel) say Brauch haba b"Shem. So if Christians what Y-shua to return they better start praying for Israel.

No, we all do not serve Him but you "better" include them in your prayers. And for those of us that do serve Him I think it is ignorance. We did not stop being Jews, ever. We are now what the Gospel really is Jews and non-Jews serving our Messiah one in the Lord.

Ignorance is not bad. I grew up in a white community. When I was 18 my whom became my best friend was black. She put babby oil in her hair. So I asked her why did she do that. She asked me do you know why I like you because you just ask and don't come to your own understanding without the understanding. She said she does not produce oil like I do as a white person. I said, oh, ok. It was no big deal. Thank you so much for asking. Not asking questions contempt leaves people with a preponderance amount of ignorance.

 

[Blain]

If you just mean my people as a whole, will they don't. Some are orthodox Jews, but the majority of us are atheist or secular.Jews, like reformed Judaism, or just down right secular. They need your prayer, desperately! just like any human being the rejection of Messiah they will die in their sins and go to hell. See the Christians are to make us jealous but look at history they have killed us and some think replaced us. (not all there are a great number of Goly Christians that pray for Israel, cry, weep... they are AMAZING!!!) But when the fulness of the gentiles comes in then the world will hear Israel as a nation say Brauch haba b'Shem Adonai... Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Y-shua said I will not return until you (Israel) say Brauch haba b"Shem. So if Christians what Y-shua to return they better start praying for Israel.

No, we all do not serve Him but you "better" include them in your prayers. And for those of us that do serve Him I think it is ignorance. We did not stop being Jews, ever. We are now what the Gospel really is Jews and non-Jews serving our Messiah one in the Lord.

Ignorance is not bad. I grew up in a white community. When I was 18 my whom became my best friend was black. She put babby oil in her hair. So I asked her why did she do that. She asked me do you know why I like you because you just ask and don't come to your own understanding without the understanding. She said she does not produce oil like I do as a white person. I said, oh, ok. It was no big deal. Thank you so much for asking. Not asking questions contempt leaves people with a preponderance amount of ignorance.

Oh wow I didn't know you were a Jew that is really cool

 

[mcubed]

hmm specific,well I suppose some simple things for starters like what are some of the custom greetings?
we as Christians tend to typically offer a handshake,what greetings do you have in the Jewish community?

LOL... BIG SMILE... Ok... When I walk into the synagogue on Friday night or Saturday morning we say Shabbat Shalom ; always handshake (this is America I do not know about other countries)...(lol). Out and about it depends on the person either Shalom, or hi, or hay...

 

[joefizz]

If you just mean my people as a whole, will they don't. Some are orthodox Jews, but the majority of us are atheist or secular.Jews, like reformed Judaism, or just down right secular. They need your prayer, desperately! just like any human being the rejection of Messiah they will die in their sins and go to hell. See the Christians are to make us jealous but look at history they have killed us and some think replaced us. (not all there are a great number of Goly Christians that pray for Israel, cry, weep... they are AMAZING!!!) But when the fulness of the gentiles comes in then the world will hear Israel as a nation say Brauch haba b'Shem Adonai... Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Y-shua said I will not return until you (Israel) say Brauch haba b"Shem. So if Christians what Y-shua to return they better start praying for Israel.

No, we all do not serve Him but you "better" include them in your prayers. And for those of us that do serve Him I think it is ignorance. We did not stop being Jews, ever. We are now what the Gospel really is Jews and non-Jews serving our Messiah one in the Lord.

Ignorance is not bad. I grew up in a white community. When I was 18 my whom became my best friend was black. She put babby oil in her hair. So I asked her why did she do that. She asked me do you know why I like you because you just ask and don't come to your own understanding without the understanding. She said she does not produce oil like I do as a white person. I said, oh, ok. It was no big deal. Thank you so much for asking. Not asking questions contempt leaves people with a preponderance amount of ignorance.

yeah part curiousity part wanting to know how to be respectful to the Jewish community,because in a sense we strive to serve God,so why not learn about each other,yeah we have our differences,and naturally each side whether Christian or Jewish will stick to what they believe,but there are still things we could learn from one another,such as "humbleness" and "sincerity" each has their own view on such things,learning about each other is of value to me,because I care about everyone,I may not show it so easily because of my lack of love and affection from family,but I see everyone now as souls,that I wish to be in service to God,and that I have compassion for,and besides it is written in my case,"love thy neighbor as yourself" everyone is my neighbor so I shall do what I can to not only care for my neighbors but learn to respect them and learn how to not offend them.

 

[joefizz]

LOL... BIG SMILE... Ok... When I walk into the synagogue on Friday night or Saturday morning we say Shabbat Shalom ; always handshake (this is America I do not know about other countries)...(lol). Out and about it depends on the person either Shalom, or hi, or hay...

ok shalom,sounds good.

 

[mcubed]

Of course John's revelation has come to pass:

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The "144,000" were being sealed in the 1st century AD - they weren't chopped liver.

1 Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Peter in the above is addressing the 10 scattered tribes - the diaspora.

What do you do with the anti-missionaries numbers that say there is 300,000 of us Jews Following the Messiah? You obviously are a person who knows what anti-missionaries are.... I think it is less than but but I will take their numbers!!! Do that math at tell me what it adds up to. We are 12 tribes. G-d did not lose a one. When and where did He lose us or all of the other two just saved and that is more than 144,000!?! Just wondering.

 

[loveme1]

I'm so glad you asked!!! G-d did not go back on His covenant with Israel. If He did then Christians should be afraid too because He would be a liar. No. G-d forbid. There is the people/nation and His riminet. And His word it true because of Him His Jewish people the nation shall be saved and us His rimnet ARE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

No GOD does not go back on His Covenants.. and His New Covenant is for all who believe in Yahshua His Son's Testament.

I'm quite sure I read GOD say not like the one they broke in Jeremiah 31... But all things come to pass in due season before the Harvest and though we know there are people posing as Jews but are a synagogue of Satan.. many are scattered but will be gathered in good time.

In GOD we Trust through Yahshua our Lord.

 

[loveme1]

mcubed, do you believe that the Old Covenant was renewed and the Messiah came to Teach the correct way to follow the law of Moses?