If the earth is smaller than most stars, how is it possible that they fall to earth?

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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
 

posthuman

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the earth is smaller than all stars that anyone knows anything about.

read the context. this is part of a vision John had while "
in the spirit" and it is quite obvious that the stars he sees are representing angels.

all throughout the book, John hears things said, sees things, and then frequently has them explained to him by angels. the differences between what he actually hears and what he actually sees and how it is explained to him, and the fact that these are visions in the spirit, make it clear that much of what is described is figurative and representational, not literal.
 
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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
This is how it is possible



The globe earth is a lie, you are trying to apply bible verses to a false model and are rightfully confused. The earth is flat and the sun, moon, and all stars are smaller than it.

Not looking to turn this into another flat earth thread, just had to tell him. PM me if you want more information.
 

posthuman

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This is how it is possible
whatever.

so all the points of light i see in the sky at night are angels?

why do you keep destroying your credibility?
 
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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
Don't bother asking. Our own sun is about a million times smaller than most other stars... and the Earth is a million times smaller than our sun. I have brought this up several times, and most people here choose to bury their heads in the sand and swear every word of Revelation is literal unless it is specifically stated otherwise......... despite the fact that John told us, right at the beginning that this whole thing he related was basically a vision he had while he "was in the spirit."
 
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whatever.

so all the points of light i see in the sky at night are angels?

why do you keep destroying your credibility?
We have spent months debating this, we can't reconcile our difference in beliefs.

I destroy my credibility so that other people can learn what I believe is true, I take your opinion with credibility on subjects not related to cosmology or seeing through political deception.
 

Ahwatukee

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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
Greetings!

You have to keep in mind that, everything in heavens, besides the sun and moon, were stars to them at that time, whether meteorites, asteroids or comets. They did not have the scientific classifications for those orbs and so everything was a star to them.

Even if our own moon was to hit the earth, it would destroy it, much less a literal star, like our own sun. What John is describing is most likely meteorites or asteroids or both, hitting the earth. At the sounding of the 5th trumpet, John also describes a star falling to the earth and having the key to the Abyss. He was shown this in his vision as a star falling to the earth, most likely an angel as a bright object and so he describes it as a star because that is how God revealed it to John. In further support of this, the stars which the dragon flings to the earth in Rev.12 are thereafter revealed to represent Satan's angels.

Hope this helps.
 
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This is how it is possible



The globe earth is a lie, you are trying to apply bible verses to a false model and are rightfully confused. The earth is flat and the sun, moon, and all stars are smaller than it.

Not looking to turn this into another flat earth thread, just had to tell him. PM me if you want more information.
Then. of course, there are the pure kooks.
 

posthuman

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John told us, right at the beginning that this whole thing he related was basically a vision he had while he "was in the spirit."

yes, so if you take John literally, Revelation is figurative!

in other words you have to take Revelation figuratively in order to take it literally!

:rolleyes:
 

shrume

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so-jesus-e-deus said:
If the earth is smaller than most stars, how is it possible that they fall to earth?
The scriptures are written according to the perspective of what people understood then, and not according to what we know today. If people back then experienced a severe meteor shower, with them hitting the earth, it would appear to them as though the stars were falling.

(and no, the earth is not flat)
 

Ahwatukee

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Don't bother asking. Our own sun is about a million times smaller than most other stars... and the Earth is a million times smaller than our sun. I have brought this up several times, and most people here choose to bury their heads in the sand and swear every word of Revelation is literal unless it is specifically stated otherwise......... despite the fact that John told us, right at the beginning that this whole thing he related was basically a vision he had while he "was in the spirit."

Yes Willie, but the visions are literal events that are going to take place. Again, the stars falling to the earth that John sees are meteorites, asteroids or both. For those during John's time, anything in heavens would have been referred to as a star and that because they did not have the scientific classifications that we do today, ergo, everything in heaven is a star excluding the sun and the moon.
 
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Then. of course, there are the pure kooks.
1 Corinthians 3:18


Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

James 4:4


You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
 
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Must have been one heckuva Meteor Shower Joseph told his parents and brothers about. So much so that it got them angry at him for elevating himself above them.
 

Ahwatukee

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Must have been one heckuva Meteor Shower Joseph told his parents and brothers about. So much so that it got them angry at him for elevating himself above them.
Again, his dream was not about cosmic events, but the sun, moon and stars were symbolic of Jacob, his wives and Jacob's eleven sons, with Joseph being number twelve in regards to when they in fact would come and bow down before him in Egypt.
 

kaijo

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1 Corinthians 3:18


Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

James 4:4


You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Just give it up man.

You may as well be trying to convince an atheist that God exists.
Or try telling your Local Govt Dept agency that 911 was an inside job ^^"""

Its just not gonna happen =D

Just be grateful that He chose you ​to know "what's what" ;)
 
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Just give it up man.

You may as well be trying to convince an atheist that God exists.
Or try telling your Local Govt Dept agency that 911 was an inside job ^^"""

Its just not gonna happen =D

Just be grateful that He chose you ​to know "what's what" ;)
Thanks!

I've never tried on so-jesus-e-deus before and he is asking the right questions on his own, had to at least bring it up. I convinced some people before on this forum.


 

Laish

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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
Much in the same way that when in the middle of a heavy rain some one says its raining cats and dogs.
Then if you are to go outside you wouldn't expect to see thousands of dead cats or dogs would you?
Its figurative speech.
Blessings
Bill
 

MarcR

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"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." (Rev 6.13)
The Hebrew word kochav and the Greek word Aster, both translated as star, can mean either one of the lights in the night sky, or angel of light.

The Greek word ephsan, translated fell can also mean descended.

So, we have angels of light falling or descending to Earth.
 

Jackson123

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John saw a vision, John never see a smart bom, it may a smart bom that John saw, but it look like a star for him, smart bom is not in his vocabulary. If you ask a cave man that see an airplane on the sky, he may say that he saw a bird, because he never knew airplane, never learn and not in his vocabulary
 

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the earth is smaller than all stars that anyone knows anything about.

read the context. this is part of a vision John had while "
in the spirit" and it is quite obvious that the stars he sees are representing angels.

all throughout the book, John hears things said, sees things, and then frequently has them explained to him by angels. the differences between what he actually hears and what he actually sees and how it is explained to him, and the fact that these are visions in the spirit, make it clear that much of what is described is figurative and representational, not literal.


The Bible usually uses Star in place of Angels