The Appointed Times of Leviticus 23; and Why I Observe Them

[MarcR]

So do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

From what others have said, including you, is that Jesus' first full day in the tomb was the 15th of Abib/Nisan and He rose from the dead at the very beginning of the 18th (3 full nights and days in the tomb), this would be the 1st day of the Feast of Weeks, counting 7 Sabbaths. With that, we know that the Feast of Unleavened Bread ends on the 21st day, but the Feast of Weeks begins 4 days earlier on the 18th. Is that right in your opinion?

Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the Lord, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: (Numbers 28:26)

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete. (Leviticus 23:15 )

Definitely!

Lev 23:5-12
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

This establishes a frame of reference.
Wednesday sundown begins Abib 14 Jesus eats the Passover with the disciples. Wed night Jesus arrested and brought before the High Priest.
Thursday morning Abib 14 Jesus appears before Pilate and is crucified.
Noon Abib 14 the sun is darkened 3PM the veil is rent and Jesus dies.

Jesus must be entombed before sunset because the 15th is a Levitical Sabbath [but the word Sabbath is NOT used].

Thursday evening -Friday evening Abib 15 First night & first Day


6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

first day here refers to the first of 7 beginning on the 15th of ABIB hence it is 15Abib.

Friday Evening-Saturday evening (7th day Sabbath) 2nd night and 2nd day

8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord
KJV

on the morrow after the sabbath which Sabbath Abib 15 is called , by God, a Holy convocation the word Sabbath is not used. So the only one it can refer to is Fri night- Saturday.

Saturday Evening- Sunday Evening (Firstfruits) 3rd night and 3rd day.

Mt 20:19
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
KJV

and the third day he shall rise again. This indicates that Jesus is to rise ON NOT AFTER the third day.

 

[craig1971]

Pentecost is a reversal of the events the took place at the Tower of Babel. At Babel God confound the languages and separate the people forcing them to spread apart because they refuse to obey his command to disperse. Further, God set bounds of the nations at 70 and place them under the leadership of the Sons of God (in Heaven). These Sons of God lead the nations astray and are spoken about in judgement in the Psalms. It is interesting after this event in the next chapter God calls Abraham. Pentecost marks the beginning of the Church, but scholars say its also the beginning of God's program to reclaim the nations he disinherited at the Tower of Babel. The description of these two events use similar language, verbage, and words in the Greek Septuagint, which connects them.

Also, the first day of the seventh month, Rosh Hashanah (means Head of the Year) or Feast of Trumpets, is the first day of the Jewish civil calendar (new years day), and astronomically corresponds to Rev 12, which is believed to be by some academic scholars to be Jesus' actual birthday.

 

[beta]

In my view Thats calling Matthew 28:1 a false statement.

what is the first day of a week in your opinion?

either it's Sunday or the secular definition of Monday, if you believe the first day of the week is another day well I've never heard of that anywhere

The first day of the week is sunday starting at sunset saturday...BIBLICALLY. What do you have a problem with ?

 

[beta]

Im not harping on your theory and I'm not going to call it a false Christ either, but I'm going to point out that makes the theory of jesus died on the cross on a Wednesday seriously flawed and end up between a rock and a hard place. First the verse John 39-31 below

John 19:30-31
30When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished.” And bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit. 31It was the day of Preparation, and the next day was a HighSabbath. So in order that the bodies would not remain on the cross during the Sabbath, theJews asked Pilate to have the legs broken andthe bodies removed.


Now if Wednesday was the day Jesus died on the cross in John 19:30-31 these verses would have to line up with that to happen, two things would have to be a truth or it's not of truth.

1. Can a sabbath fall on a thursday the 5th day of the week (NO), the 7th day is the sabbath always and it's on a Saturday regardless if it's a high sabbath or weekly sabbath a sabbath day is the seventh day of the week to try and change that would be falsifying scripture.

2. For a Wednesday death on the cross, Jesus body would have too remain on the cross for atleast two days, scripture plaining teaches that Jesus was on the cross alive for 6 hours, now the body could have been brought down the 11th hour yes, but was not on the cross for two days after Jesus death on the cross. Scripture does not support that theory.

3. To further rebuke the false Christ statement is this, no scripture in the whole bible exactly mentions Saturday or Sunday as the resurrection day as well a sabbath night 12 hours happens before the sabbath day 12 hours.
furthermore scripture doesn't not teach the exact hour the resurrection happened either so to say Sunday is a false Christ belief and Saturday is the real resurrection is false it's just a personal theory just as anyone else's theory. if people think it was a exact 72 hours they can't even say at what hour the resurrection happened by scripture again just theories and just because people disagree with your theory does not make their theory a false Christ statement.

If you think a Sabbath can not fall on a Thursday or any other day you need to learn about the 7 ANNUAL SABBATHS that can fall on any day of the week.
In case you don't know (and indeed do not know) there are other SABBATHS beside the weekly ....hence the reason why Christians (who have no understanding of God's Holy days) can not grasp what has happened in crucifixion week.
You count JESUS' own prediction of 72 hours (3 days and 3 nights) a mere theory, well that says a lot for your opinion of Him.

 

[beta]

When Jesus entered Jerusalem means everything. Yes, the 6:30P.M. t0 6:30 P.M. was the Hebrew day.

It is evident You did not read my post because it had all the information you requested in it.

Sure I did read your post but just did not find it relevant in connection with what JESUS says in scripture and your understanding of 'jewish ways' . We are supposed to consider scripture and not what people say and do.
JESUS said He would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and since He was already risen early sunday morning we need to fit 72 hours into a period BEFORE sunday the first day of the week.

 

[MarcR]

We, in the 21st century western world view 3 days and 3 nights as 72 sixty minute hours.

It is historically documented that Jewish people in the first century did not look at time the same way.

In the books of Kings and Chronicles, if a king reigned any part of a year (even 3 days) starting from Abib1, he is said to have reigned for the year. Likewise, 3 days and 3 nights requires either 3nights and any part of the third day or 3 days and any part of the third night. Hence, the short time between entombment and Sundown on Wednesday is enough to fulfill the first day.
Even if Jesus were raised before daybreak on Sunday, the Scripture is fulfilled.

This in fact makes the reigns of the kings confusing because it allows for 2 kings to have reigned in the same year.

 

[unobtrusive]

Definitely!

Lev 23:5-12
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

This establishes a frame of reference.
Wednesday sundown begins Abib 14 Jesus eats the Passover with the disciples. Wed night Jesus arrested and brought before the High Priest.
Thursday morning Abib 14 Jesus appears before Pilate and is crucified.
Noon Abib 14 the sun is darkened 3PM the veil is rent and Jesus dies.

Jesus must be entombed before sunset because the 15th is a Levitical Sabbath [but the word Sabbath is NOT used].

Thursday evening -Friday evening Abib 15 First night & first Day


6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

first day here refers to the first of 7 beginning on the 15th of ABIB hence it is 15Abib.

Friday Evening-Saturday evening (7th day Sabbath) 2nd night and 2nd day

8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord
KJV

on the morrow after the sabbath which Sabbath Abib 15 is called , by God, a Holy convocation the word Sabbath is not used. So the only one it can refer to is Fri night- Saturday.

Saturday Evening- Sunday Evening (Firstfruits) 3rd night and 3rd day.

Mt 20:19
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
KJV

and the third day he shall rise again. This indicates that Jesus is to rise ON NOT AFTER the third day.

I understand when Jesus was buried and rose, related to Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights, and all, but that's not what I'm asking you. My original question was, and still is....

"Do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...icus-23-why-i-observe-them-6.html#post3284422

 

[Bladerunner]

Sure I did read your post but just did not find it relevant in connection with what JESUS says in scripture and your understanding of 'jewish ways' . We are supposed to consider scripture and not what people say and do.
JESUS said He would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights and since He was already risen early sunday morning we need to fit 72 hours into a period BEFORE sunday the first day of the week.

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday (Sat evening at 6:30 p.m.) until Sunday 6:30p.m.

It is very apparent you want to argue and do not know anything about Jewish culture or the Bible Scripture. This will be the last time I also respond to you or your rantings. Hope you have a blessed day and May you find God in time.

 

[MarcR]

I understand when Jesus was buried and rose, related to Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights, and all, but that's not what I'm asking you. My original question was, and still is....

"Do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...icus-23-why-i-observe-them-6.html#post3284422

My answer to your question is still the first word in my post. The rest of my post explains why for anyone who might be interested.

 

[MarcR]

I understand when Jesus was buried and rose, related to Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights, and all, but that's not what I'm asking you. My original question was, and still is....

"Do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...icus-23-why-i-observe-them-6.html#post3284422

Sorry I missed this:
Do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

The first time you asked you asked about Firstfruits.

In my post I explain that the feast of weeks is a DIFFERENT Firstfruits . The Firstfruits I refer to occurs 50 days before the 'feast of weeks' Shavouot.

 

[unobtrusive]

Sorry I missed this:
Do you believe that the Feast of Weeks begins before the Feast of Unleavened bread is complete?

The first time you asked you asked about Firstfruits.

In my post I explain that the feast of weeks is a DIFFERENT Firstfruits . The Firstfruits I refer to occurs 50 days before the 'feast of weeks' Shavouot.

Thank you. You are of the understanding that there are 2 different "firstfruits." Got it.

I am refreshing my memory in the book of Joshua concerning how Passover was kept, and have "basically," but not completely, concluded that firstfruits (according to Leviticus 23) was after Passover, the 15th or 16th. I think we agree on that.

From what I understand (mark me if you differ), the sheaf was brought to the priests to be dried by fire and wind, and when the "omer" was ready days later after chaff and stalks were separated from the seed, then, after being ground into flour, the first day after the 21st (the 21st being a Sabbath day), it was waved as an offering. In other words, the firstfruits during unleavened bread must be processed by the priesthood. The day of waving this offering is when the count started for the feast of weeks, ending at the start of the 50th day, being Pentecost, and when the Torah was given at Mount Horeb.

It appears that Jericho was conquered on this same day, (the day before Shavuot) for according to physician's comments, it can take up to 6 weeks for a mature man to heal after circumcision.

I'm starting to understand the "counting of the omer" according to Jewish tradition, even though the semantics don't make a whole lot of sense to me at this point.

 

[MarcR]

Thank you. You are of the understanding that there are 2 different "firstfruits." Got it.

I am refreshing my memory in the book of Joshua concerning how Passover was kept, and have "basically," but not completely, concluded that firstfruits (according to Leviticus 23) was after Passover, the 15th or 16th. I think we agree on that.

From what I understand (mark me if you differ), the sheaf was brought to the priests to be dried by fire and wind, and when the "omer" was ready days later after chaff and stalks were separated from the seed, then, after being ground into flour, the first day after the 21st (the 21st being a Sabbath day), it was waved as an offering. In other words, the firstfruits during unleavened bread must be processed by the priesthood. The day of waving this offering is when the count started for the feast of weeks, ending at the start of the 50th day, being Pentecost, and when the Torah was given at Mount Horeb.

It appears that Jericho was conquered on this same day, (the day before Shavuot) for according to physician's comments, it can take up to 6 weeks for a mature man to heal after circumcision.

I'm starting to understand the "counting of the omer" according to Jewish tradition, even though the semantics don't make a whole lot of sense to me at this point.

Exactly right. The Firstfruits that occurs during the feast of unleavened bread is the Firstfruits of the barley harvest.
The Firstfruits of the first wheat harvest harvest are involved in Shavouot; and the second wheat harvest is involved in Sukkot.

 

[MarcR]

My answer to your question is still the first word in my post. The rest of my post explains why for anyone who might be interested.

I occasionally tend to misspeak. One of the hazards of aging. The mind still works reasonably well but nowhere near what it was 20 years ago.

 

[unobtrusive]

Exactly right. The Firstfruits that occurs during the feast of unleavened bread is the Firstfruits of the barley harvest.
The Firstfruits of the first wheat harvest harvest are involved in Shavouot; and the second wheat harvest is involved in Sukkot.

And we agree again!! How blessed!

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (Matthew 18:20)
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (2 Corinthians 13:1b)
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. (1 Corinthians 15:20)

How grand!!

 

[unobtrusive]

I occasionally tend to misspeak. One of the hazards of aging. The mind still works reasonably well but nowhere near what it was 20 years ago.

Likewise.

 

[unobtrusive]

One more thing that crossed my mind concerning the words of John the Baptist, and Paul. The sheaf brought to the priest was tender and not quite mature and dry. It needed to be dried with wind (representing the spirit) and heated by fire, to make it ready for processing. It comes together with these New Testament scriptures.

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" (Matthew 3:11)

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." (James 1:18)